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My favorite part of the interview was when she referred to scientists bullying people to their side of the debate. If you show someone evidence for something and say "Hey, look at this! This poo poo is important!" and they just put their hands over their ears, it's not bullying to want to pry their arms off and say "NO. This poo poo is important. Pay attention!" Bill is a patient man, I would of wanted to strangle someone during that. Also loved the "I'm not a denier. Buuuuuuut, I deny everything you just said."
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Conservative ideology in general is all about trying to own victimhood despite being the ruling classes. Look at just about everything they complain about and it gets down to them being "oppressed" by someone or something, be it rich assholes comparing themselves to slaves, religious extremists saying that gays marrying affects them, abortion doctors pre-murdering the heroes of the future, businessmen being harassed by environmentalists when they just want to employ people, and racists being victims or hate crimes and being denied their freedom of speech. Literally everything they do is get up on the cross to claim oppression when really it's the freedom to oppress is what they want while also greedily wanting their victims to not be able to so much as complain about it.
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May 9, 2014 16:04
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Rexicon1 posted:e: Bill Nye is the closest thing I can consider as a martyr on this by subjecting himself to the endless waves of madness that erupt towards him in the hopes that he gets through to some people. Watching Sippy Cupp try and catch him with a pointless gotcha by asking "well cows produce the most greenhouse gases should we all be vegetarians? The big pisser for me is Republicans' inability to see things outside of black and white on this issue. "You want me to eat healthy? gently caress that I'm not gonna eat just twigs and greens all day!!!" "Carbon footprint? gently caress LENTILS. I'm gonna keep eating my steaks in the same absurd quantities I can!" Jesus, just cutting your intake of red meat a little and switching to more chicken or pork at least helps a little.
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May 9, 2014 16:07
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Barudak posted:Huh I wondered what happened to that program. Good to know I don't have extra reasons to get pissed while watching HGTV beyond it being filthy house porn and seriously lady you can't throw a shitfit at the contractor for telling you your house has illegal wiring. Man, that show about improving restaurants (i think that might be food network but same poo poo) is a guilty pleasure of mine, I'm half expecting a story to come out that reveals Robert Irvine beating the poo poo out of gay people or donating thousands to the kill all abortion doctor funds or whatever.
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May 9, 2014 16:08
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MizPiz posted:I've figured that since most of those types are all about "hating whiners" and "not being a pussy", mocking them for being precisely that should at least shut them up for a while. Trying to do anything more dignified is really just a waste of time and effort on your part. My point is it's an obvious 'memo strategy' that has trickled down to all the itty bitty clones, and that I'd like a way to efficiently trash it and have the person using it feel like an idiot. Something along the lines of turning it back on itself might help. I.E. "How dare that Rosa Parks oppress white people sitting up front on the bus."
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May 9, 2014 16:19
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Spacedad posted:"How dare that Rosa Parks oppress white people sitting up front on the bus." Sure why not. There's not really any single good burn on that thinking because it's a completely illogical, hypocritical mindset that's there to shield them from thinking about it. If they cared about having a consistent set of values or an actual defensible policy stance beyond "gently caress these gay people" they would've already had to ask themselves why their religious beliefs and rules apply to two consenting adults who don't subscribe to them.
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May 9, 2014 16:52
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Spacedad posted:Something along the lines of turning it back on itself might help. I.E. "How dare that Rosa Parks oppress white people sitting up front on the bus." We will be getting double downs on that before the year is up, arguments will rewind to 1955. "There's a place on the bus for everyone, why make trouble?"
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May 9, 2014 16:58
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OxySnake posted:My favorite part of the interview was when she referred to scientists bullying people to their side of the debate. Yeah, I love that part. It conjures up such an incongruous mental image of some poindexterous dude in a lab coat giving Hannity (because he is the ultimate fat, old, wannabe jock) a swirly.
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May 9, 2014 17:13
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In issues like that, it's sometimes effective to frame a challenge so the person puts themselves in someone else's shoes. What if the state didn't recognize your marriage for <whatever bullshit "reasons" they gave you>? A not-insignificant part of conservative thought hinges on never seriously considering someone else's experience.
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May 9, 2014 17:14
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PeterWeller posted:Yeah, I love that part. It conjures up such an incongruous mental image of some poindexterous dude in a lab coat giving Hannity (because he is the ultimate fat, old, wannabe jock) a swirly. Two guys in lab coats; the other one is recording data.
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May 9, 2014 17:20
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moths posted:In issues like that, it's sometimes effective to frame a challenge so the person puts themselves in someone else's shoes. What if the state didn't recognize your marriage for <whatever bullshit "reasons" they gave you>? As I was trying to scrape my brain for a concise way of explaining it that came up for me too. If they're the type who thinks good christian white folk are being overrun by the horde ask them whether or not they want other people's heathen religious rules applied to their FREEDOMS based on not much more than "Because that's what Muslim God said" or "That's how it's supposed to be" or "That's how it's always been". Which is not so much an argument than a whiny complaint that America is a free country. gently caress it, just ask why they hate America and freedom, why do they want Sharia law in America? Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 17:32 on May 9, 2014 |
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May 9, 2014 17:28
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MizPiz posted:I've figured that since most of those types are all about "hating whiners" and "not being a pussy", mocking them for being precisely that should at least shut them up for a while. Trying to do anything more dignified is really just a waste of time and effort on your part. I wouldn't be surprised if they think that when they're mad, it's because they're "standing up for all that's good about America" while when liberals get mad, they're just being crybabies.
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May 9, 2014 17:42
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:I wouldn't be surprised if they think that when they're mad, it's because they're "standing up for all that's good about America" while when liberals get mad, they're just being crybabies.
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May 9, 2014 17:59
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Spacedad posted:Something along the lines of turning it back on itself might help. I.E. "How dare that Rosa Parks oppress white people sitting up front on the bus." "The Southern way of life is under attack" was a huge part of the white supremacist message during the civil rights era.
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May 9, 2014 18:23
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Zeroisanumber posted:Bill Nye is an effective advocate because he's spent his entire adult life in the media, S.E. Cupp should know better than to play that kind of game with a guy who was talking about science on television when she was still wearing pigtails.   Also, CNN just straight-up calls him "The Science Guy".  agarjogger posted:Hmm, this makes the Kingdom of God out to be a pretty lovely organization to be a part of. Christian Dominion worst dominion. Or none of these motherfuckers believe a word of their own religion, and actually challenge the authority of god more than I could ever hope to as a secular atheist.
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May 9, 2014 20:13
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Axe Master posted:Man, that show about improving restaurants (i think that might be food network but same poo poo) is a guilty pleasure of mine, I'm half expecting a story to come out that reveals Robert Irvine beating the poo poo out of gay people or donating thousands to the kill all abortion doctor funds or whatever. Nah, he just basically completely lies about his past experience. You really can't go that wrong by just assuming anyone connected to a reality show is loving awful.
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May 9, 2014 20:51
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Azuth0667 posted:The best part of that video is where sippy cup challenged Nye to look her in the eye and say climate change is an issue then she looks shocked when he does it. You're right. Even though I hate the format and think it's useless for actual debate, that one moment redeems it all: 
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May 9, 2014 21:32
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Kind of an encapsulating moment there. Especially in that she's the one who breaks eye contact and shrinks away when she gets the conflict she wanted.
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May 9, 2014 21:50
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Kind of an encapsulating moment there. Especially in that she's the one who breaks eye contact and shrinks away when she gets the conflict she wanted. Look at her, she even knows it's true. This is called evil.
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May 9, 2014 22:06
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S.E. Cupp's facial expressions are pretty much the textbook example of "unearned smugness".
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May 9, 2014 22:08
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:S.E. Cupp's facial expressions are pretty much the textbook example of "unearned smugness". Her loving name is the textbook example of unearned smugness.
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May 9, 2014 22:14
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SedanChair posted:Look at her, she even knows it's true. This is called evil. Ehhh...I would be very shocked if S.E. Cupp had given the time and attention to fully grasp the global warming/climate change danger. I would suspect someone who's actually evil like the cast of ex-ciggarette defenders who coincidentally popped up to muddy the waters on GW/CC would be better informed and ready to debate. Cupp is just treating the issue like any other GO TEAM GOP issue and assumed Bill Nye was doing the same thing, when in fact he's not a piece of poo poo and has his own convictions on top of actual knowledge. She's not doing a good job at all of convincing anyone Bill Nye is wrong, but she's doing a decent job of making people who automatically disagree with him feel good.
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May 9, 2014 22:36
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Intel&Sebastian posted:She's not doing a good job at all of convincing anyone Bill Nye is wrong, but she's doing a decent job of making people who automatically disagree with him feel good. One of these things isn't her job, and one of them is. I think the main reason I can't stand this girl is that her name sounds like that of an accomplished author in her fifties, which is really deceptive. She's probably less annoying than young male conservative commentators. Because who isn't.
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May 9, 2014 22:40
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moths posted:In issues like that, it's sometimes effective to frame a challenge so the person puts themselves in someone else's shoes. What if the state didn't recognize your marriage for <whatever bullshit "reasons" they gave you>? This is actually Super Effective. My dad was shooting his mouth off about how Gays can't propagate the species and thus shouldn't be permitted too marry. My wife laughed and I told him that if that were the case the state should dissolve his marriage because he's had a vasectomy and my mother had a hysterectomy as well (I must have been a horrible child). He just got irate from that point. You could tell he was reeling because what he thought was a stone cold stunner of an argument was in fact stupid loving bullshit
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May 9, 2014 22:40
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The strange thing about Sippy Cupp is that she has degrees in art history. I wonder how exactly she went from studying art to being another cookie cutter right wing pundit on television. Anyway, I find it interesting that so many climate change deniers also happen to be doomsday prepper types. There are literally people who listen to Alex Jones or other far right media, buying the freeze dried foods and water purification tablets that they advertise, honestly believing that the world is going to collapse any minute, all while at the same time claiming that climate scientists are too "alarmist." It's just so loving weird.
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May 9, 2014 22:45
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Kenzie posted:I wonder how exactly she went from studying art to being another cookie cutter right wing pundit on television. 
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May 9, 2014 22:48
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Kenzie posted:The strange thing about Sippy Cupp is that she has degrees in art history. I wonder how exactly she went from studying art to being another cookie cutter right wing pundit on television. Which of those fields held the highest potential paycheck for the least effort?
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May 9, 2014 22:49
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Kenzie posted:The strange thing about Sippy Cupp is that she has degrees in art history. I wonder how exactly she went from studying art to being another cookie cutter right wing pundit on television. Art history? Isn't that one of those those liberal arts degrees conservatives make fun of as being useless?
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Kenzie posted:The strange thing about Sippy Cupp is that she has degrees in art history. I wonder how exactly she went from studying art to being another cookie cutter right wing pundit on television. Since I still have my Keith Ablow hat on I'll posit that this is because the layman's understanding of Global Warming and Climate Change aren't superfun apocalypses that you can ride out with a room full of baked beans cans and a gun while watching "inner city" people die. It's one where everyone globally gets screwed in the same way and you might have to move somewhere that doesn't include your preferred bunker spot.
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May 9, 2014 22:51
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To be fair, Google will add "feet" to the search of almost any woman.
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May 9, 2014 23:24
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eviltastic posted:I'm not at all the first to mention it, but it's worth relinking: the Vox article on Benghazi offers an excellent summary.  reading this and knowing all of the reactions from the hawks demanding that we could have done something (including one unnamed special forces sergeant who was in the Balkans at the time and swore up and down to some reporter they were close enough to get on a plane and make it to Libya in time if only they had been allowed to go!!!) It's just really sad and disgusting. Both the Ambassador and Vilerat died from smoke inhalation, probably in under 10 minutes after the fire started. The other two "Heroes" died because they left shelter while taking indirect fire so they could "shoot back". I just really really want to know what these people think fighters from Italy and unprepared special forces guys might have accomplished, and why people lend any credibility to people making those kinds of claims.
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May 9, 2014 23:47
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ShadowCatboy posted:The big pisser for me is Republicans' inability to see things outside of black and white on this issue. ... With few exceptions they do not actually believe this. It's a political strategy of broadcasting insane noise, confusing your opponents, and so on.
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Post 9-11 User posted:With few exceptions they do not actually believe this. It's a political strategy of broadcasting insane noise, confusing your opponents, and so on. I still can't believe how well this works. 
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May 10, 2014 00:06
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Darkman Fanpage posted:Art history? Isn't that one of those those liberal arts degrees conservatives make fun of as being useless? Well she isn't using her degree so checkmate libtards 
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May 10, 2014 00:14
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anonumos posted:I still can't believe how well this works. It's a lot easier to gently caress things up and make a grab for the cash than to figure out how to help people in a genuine way.
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May 10, 2014 00:16
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Rygar201 posted:This is actually Super Effective. One of the key appeals of shows like Limbaugh's is the way he leads listeners through these arguments with straw-liberals that he (and, by proxy, his listeners) always win. A lot of times his listeners try to take Rush's arguments out for a spin in conversations and gatherings (usually inappropriately, like at a family barbeque or kids' soccer match or something), and when they try that poo poo on a liberal who is familiar with Limbaugh-style arguments and who can parry their smart-sounding but actually dumb arguments, they tend to lose their poo poo spectacularly and hilariously.
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May 10, 2014 00:22
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OxySnake posted:My favorite part of the interview was when she referred to scientists bullying people to their side of the debate. I don't know if you guys heard Bill because of all the people talking, but when she said that scientists are bullying people I swear I heard Bill go "You're bullying ME!"
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May 10, 2014 00:56
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Damonic posted:I don't know if you guys heard Bill because of all the people talking, but when she said that scientists are bullying people I swear I heard Bill go "You're bullying ME!" He did when they were all trying to shout him down. I don't think any scientist has a chance when dealing with these people they're trying to argue facts and data with people who's paycheck depends upon them denying facts and data. The heritage guy there was acting as if he knew all about science and was an expert when really he was a financial planner and knew nothing more than the standard  REGULATION BAD talking point. Until something horrible happens that they can't shout down or strawman away scientists aren't going to make any headway.
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In order to share the wealth and spread the pain like a good socialist I feel it's my obligation to pass on to this thread what a tremendous douche this guy Nick Searcy, an actor on 'Justified', seems to be. He was being interviewed on my local AM station today by the local AM "libertarian" *wink* *wink* who was lapping up his poo poo in full force. The gist of it is this dude is cool because he directly insults "the left" on Twitter. Earlier in the thread others were talking about how some of the conservative movement seems to be interested in sticking it to liberals vs. making a valid argument. This guy is the poster child for that. Dude is like: all liberals are dumb and arguing is worthless so I just shut them down with some sweet ad hominem on Twitter  I feel dirty for even giving this guy air but it's certainly in the spirit of this thread. Nick Searcy posted:That's because ignorant fat asses like you are not worth arguing with. And you're an easy target, you know, because you'e WIDE. Nick Searcy posted:You should see my house, no-lister. You would poo poo your envious anonymous athiest leftist pussy panties and cry. Nick Searcy posted:There is nothing like being coached in godliness by a chickenshit anonymous atheist twitter pussy who doesn't believe in God! Nick Searcy posted:What true gutless anonymous atheist pussy acts this way? Oh that's right, ALL of them. Nick Searcy posted:Wow, that sounds so profound. I'll bet a fat chick would really swoon if you said something like that to her. More: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/18/justified-actor-nick-searcy-asked-us-not-to-call-him-a-teabagger-ultra-con-or-bigot-in-this-headline/  UFOTacoMan fucked around with this message at 03:51 on May 10, 2014 |
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That really bums me out because Justified is the best show and Art is the best character.
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