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Austrian mook posted:what made mega-kangaskhan so good? 125 Attack and 100 Speed and an ability that makes every hit hit twice (the second hit does reduced damage) combined with an attack that raises your Attack by one stage.
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alcharagia posted:125 Attack and 100 Speed and an ability that makes every hit hit twice (the second hit does reduced damage) combined with an attack that raises your Attack by one stage. To expand on this, the second attack has the same on-hit effects that the first does. Thus, Power-up Punch is effectively a Swords Dance that also is a 60 power attack that can even break a substitute mid-attack.
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May 10, 2014 22:47
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Austrian mook posted:what made mega-kangaskhan so good? Parental Bond is a crazy good ability. It's a free 50% boost to any attacking move which is really great by itself but the way it interacts with attacks with secondary effects is insane. Aside from the shenanigans with Power Up Punch (with Parental Bond its a 60 BP that grants +2 attack), you can also do stuff like a defensive set with Seismic Toss and Super Fang (with Parental Bond Seismic Toss does 200 damage and Super Fang does 75% of an opponents HP). It doesn't have great special attack, but Parental Bond is so good that you could run one regardless and smash stuff that would otherwise beat the physical sets. Overall Parental Bond gives it a ridiculous amount of options that are different enough that pokemon that might be able to beat one set would get blown up by one of the other sets.
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May 10, 2014 23:07
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Ziddar posted:To expand on this, the second attack has the same on-hit effects that the first does. Thus, Power-up Punch is effectively a Swords Dance that also is a 60 power attack that can even break a substitute mid-attack. Body Slam: 51% chance to Paralyze Bite/Stomp/Rock Slide: 51% chance to Flinch Crunch: 36% chance of lowering defense Dizzy Punch: 36% chance to cause confusion Secret Power: 51% of activating its effect So any 20% chance becomes 36%, and any 30% chance becomes 51%. Sucker Punch also hits twice which is annoying as hell to fight against. Then there's the final killer: Seismic Toss hits twice and does 100 damage each time, for 200 HP total. Anything with less than 200 HP is OHKO'd and anything with less than 400 HP (aka most of the metagame bar Chansey/Blissey) is 2HKO'd. 
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May 10, 2014 23:14
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Using Mega Kangaskhan is like bringing a gun to a knife fight. Worse yet when they bring along Talonflame to KO your fighting type threat for Kangaskhan.
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May 10, 2014 23:39
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fade5 posted:Seismic Toss hits twice and does 100 damage each time, for 200 HP total. Anything with less than 200 HP is OHKO'd and anything with less than 400 HP (aka most of the metagame bar Chansey/Blissey) is 2HKO'd. 
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May 10, 2014 23:49
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Txn posted:If you're in Battle Spot or similar, it only does 50 damage twice.
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May 11, 2014 00:02
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That sounds like a ridiculously broken ability.
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May 11, 2014 00:08
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StandardVC10 posted:That sounds like a ridiculously broken ability. It's only really bad on a select few things. The dev team already recognized this a long while back and put out a message that can basically be summed up as "yeah we realize that now so in the future it will be less insane, sorry~"
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May 11, 2014 00:10
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00DyEDmQ83s Well that sure is new footage of ORAS.
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May 11, 2014 00:33
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00DyEDmQ83s In the Japanese TV show where the footage premiered, they also talked about Groudon and Kyogre looking different on the box art and mentioned that they could possibly be Mega evolutions, but wouldn't confirm it.
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May 11, 2014 00:36
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Level Slide posted:Well that sure is new footage of ORAS. By Arceus, I never would have guessed those two Pokémon would be in it.
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May 11, 2014 00:36
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That was a painful hour. They always do that, why do I keep falling for it? Next time I'll just  serebii, he got that up really drat quick.
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Is it just me, or is there no sound during the actual footage? I hear a woosh when it says "A sneak peek" but then nothing.
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May 11, 2014 00:43
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Like, gently caress, I knew there wouldn't be much of anything at all, but I assumed it'd be one or two towns being shown in game, without the main characters or something. I set my bar pretty low and still feel ripped off.
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Waffleman_ posted:Is it just me, or is there no sound during the actual footage? I hear a woosh when it says "A sneak peek" but then nothing. There's a rumbling noise but there's text under the video that says "SOUND NOT IN GAME". Honestly this "Sneak Peak" seems more like "Check out this sweet animation we just rendered".
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May 11, 2014 00:47
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Emalde posted:It's only really bad on a select few things. The dev team already recognized this a long while back and put out a message that can basically be summed up as "yeah we realize that now so in the future it will be less insane, sorry~" I don't know, it'd probably be broken on most things. Khangaskan was incredibly average before it got the Mega Evolution and that ability shot it straight up to Ubers. There are some pokemon that wouldn't be able to take advantage of it, but for the most part almost anything would appreciate a straight +50% even without factoring in the other potential effects.
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May 11, 2014 01:23
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Parental Bond means that Mega Kangaskhan effectively gets STAB om every move while also having Adaptability+ with Serene Grace while being able to smash through Substitutes
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Team Lapras vs Krookodile, Tokekiss, Charizard X, Ampharos, Nintetails, & Goodra: AKBG-WWWW-WWW7-BDT4 This fight went pretty badly, my opponent did a good job at disrupting the water absorb heal Skuntank, Ursaring, Jellicent, Mega Heracross, Rapidash, & Mismagius vs Tyranitar, Mega Kangaskhan, Alakazam, Wash Rotom, Dragonite, Muk: XGFW-WWWW-WWW7-BDTD (single battle) This was a fun fight and I got pretty lucky at times
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So I want to start battling competitively, at least online. In true Pokemon Gym leader fashion, I want to try and run a basically mono-type, Poison team (with exceptions for dual types, like Skorupi). Is this remotely feasible? And what are the absolute best resources for a fledgeling, scrubby trainer? (I feel like Smogon is a little too in-depth for me at this point.) Thanks!
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JesusLovesRonwell posted:So I want to start battling competitively, at least online. In true Pokemon Gym leader fashion, I want to try and run a basically mono-type, Poison team (with exceptions for dual types, like Skorupi). Is this remotely feasible? And what are the absolute best resources for a fledgeling, scrubby trainer? (I feel like Smogon is a little too in-depth for me at this point.) Thanks! Mono-type teams are a bad idea in general. I suppose Poison isn't the worst type you could pick, but pretty much anyone running a Fairy-type like Azumarill or Togekiss (or a vulnerable Grass-type like Chesnaught) is going to be able to swap in a Steel-type like Ferrothorn or Aegislash.
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JesusLovesRonwell posted:So I want to start battling competitively, at least online. In true Pokemon Gym leader fashion, I want to try and run a basically mono-type, Poison team (with exceptions for dual types, like Skorupi). Is this remotely feasible? And what are the absolute best resources for a fledgeling, scrubby trainer? (I feel like Smogon is a little too in-depth for me at this point.) Thanks! While I wouldn't recommend starting off with a mono-type team, here's what I think would work well. This is a rudimentary team using smogon rules. Gengar@Life Orb 252SpAttk/252Spe Nature: Timid Ability: Levitate Moves: Shadow Ball Focus Blast Dazzling Gleam/Dark Pulse Sludge Bomb Venusaur@Venusaurite 252 HP/252 SpAttk Nature: Modest Ability: Chlorophyll/Overgrow Moves: Leech Seed Giga Drain Hidden Power (Preferably Fire or Ice) Sludge Bomb Drapion@Black Sludge 252Attk/252Spe Nature:Jolly Ability:Sniper Moves: Swords Dance Knock Off Earthquake Poison Jab Crobat@Assault Vest 252Spe/252Spd Nature:Gentle Ability: Infiltrator Moves: Heat Wave Sludge Bomb Brave Bird U-turn Nidoking:@Choice Scarf 252SpAttk/252Spe Nature: Timid/Modest Abiltiy: Sheer Force Moves: Sludge Bomb/Sludge Wave Flamethrower/Fire Blast Thunderbolt/Thunder Earth Power Tentacruel:@Leftovers 252SpD/252Spe Nature:Calm Ability: Rain Dish/Clear Body Moves Rapid Spin Scald Toxic Ice Beam Now I'm not claiming any of these sets as my own, they're basically Smogon's with little to no modifications. And if you don't have any of these pokemon send me a PM or message me on IRC and I'll try and get them to you. Watch out for earthquakes and psychics.  Just remember to watch out for steel types.Edit: As for best resources, Goons on #pokegoons and #smogoff are always willing to help you out. As for actualy websites, I believe bulbapedia and Serebii have complete movesets for every pokemon, so they're always good to look at. And I think Nugget Bridge works for VGC? I don't use that site but I think others do. AzureKing fucked around with this message at 03:04 on May 11, 2014 |
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JesusLovesRonwell posted:So I want to start battling competitively, at least online. In true Pokemon Gym leader fashion, I want to try and run a basically mono-type, Poison team (with exceptions for dual types, like Skorupi). Is this remotely feasible? And what are the absolute best resources for a fledgeling, scrubby trainer? (I feel like Smogon is a little too in-depth for me at this point.) Thanks! Keep in mind that people online are pretty merciless in their team building so you're putting yourself at a severe disadvantage in an already competitive environment. If you are dead set on going through with it though, I would focus on covering up poison's natural weaknesses. Drapion is a great pick due to his immunity to psychic and any poison type with levitate will do you good if you want to avoid ground type moves. Smogon would still be your best resource in figuring out what kind moves you want to stick on your mons, at the very least. EDIT: ^^^ That's actually a pretty solid team to go with. It naturally covers up a lot of holes in your game.
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Crusaderking posted:Watch out for earthquakes and psychics. And may every god ever imagined help you if your opponent has a Metagross.
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Technogeek posted:And may every god ever imagined help you if your opponent has a Metagross. Gengar can handle Metagross fairly easily anymore.
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PSWII60 posted:Gengar can handle Metagross fairly easily anymore. I was more trying to play off your reference to Steel-types, Psychic-types, and Earthquake. But yes, for countering Gengar I'd probably try for a fast Dark- or Psychic-type. Possibly switch in a Sucker Punch Kangaskhan if you can predict Shadow Ball. EDIT: And, of course, if he hasn't gone Mega Gengar yet.
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Like, gently caress, I knew there wouldn't be much of anything at all, but I assumed it'd be one or two towns being shown in game, without the main characters or something. I set my bar pretty low and still feel ripped off. At least some great fan art has come of the thing.
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Why all the hate for Mega Kangaskhan? She's the entire reason you can destroy just about any threat in Super Single Battle Maison if you anticipate every enemy team. And you should enjoy her now before she gets nerfed to useless next generation.
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LEGO Genetics posted:Why all the hate for Mega Kangaskhan? That's the thing: it's an amazing powerhouse, but fighting one is absolutely no fun at all.
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That seemed to be the issue with megas in general. They seem to be getting into power creep territory, all the pokemon that got mega evos were really good already, gyarados, gengar etc. They made lots of already really good pokemon better and made some crazy broken. This was my big worry with X/Y, is this off base or mostly accurate?
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Some of the strongest mega evolutions are of pokemon that were poor-to-useless before, like Pinsir, Mawile, Medicham, Manectric, and of course Kangaskhan.
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Everyone seems to agree that some Megas are utterly broken, but nobody can agree which ones are. Except for the usual suspects like Gengar and Blaziken. Same for which Megas are useless. Any time a "this mega is useless" comment is brought up, a few defenders come out of the woodwork to bring up its strengths.
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I've said it before, but the best way to balance over-powered Mega Pokemon is to add even more Mega Pokemon that are over-powered in totally different but equally viable ways.
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Please god let the next game have mega watchog.
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Ghost Head posted:Please god let the next game have mega watchog. mega bidoof. Yes, bidoof.
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May 11, 2014 04:57
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Mega Wigglytuff with Boomburst and an ability that makes all sound moves priority. 
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Austrian mook posted:mega bidoof. Yes, bidoof. Mega Farfetch'd, except unironically. Edit: The best fanart came from the footage though.    Source is http://protocol00.tumblr.com Waffleman_ fucked around with this message at 05:30 on May 11, 2014 |
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Austrian mook posted:mega bidoof. Yes, bidoof. Mega Bidoof with a new ability that combines the effects of Simple and Moody. Smogon implodes in on itself in their haste to ban it. As a bonus, here is a replay of Luvdisk saving the day after a bunch of hax crippled the rest of the team http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/randombattle-118786142 buddychrist10 fucked around with this message at 05:45 on May 11, 2014 |
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Mega Luvdisc, and have it just be Alomomola.
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