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I think there's a difference between being "inspired" by a story and flatly imitating it. Despite last week's "men in masks take over a city while the police and vigilantes fight together" bits certainly felt similar to Dark Knight Rises, I think they've both built up to the attack and made it sufficiently different. But I've also groaned at some of Arrow's weaker stuff - Brother Blood's mask was an awful ripoff of scarecrow and his whole schtick.
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Funhilde posted:Aren't the back stories more or less similar? At least the playboy turns vigilante part. Tommy almost had more of a batman back story than Ollie. Superficially similar. But Green Arrow isn't really a dark character -- he's Robin Hood. He's very liberal, usually cracking jokes, and he's out fighting for the everyman more than he's out fighting to end crime. Arrow hasn't quite captured this bit, bringing it a lot closer to a Batman-type character than the comic book Ollie I'd say. Honestly, Oliver has spent almost as much time broke because "He lost his company and fortune!" as he has being the billionaire.
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May 11, 2014 05:17
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EVGA Longoria posted:Superficially similar. But Green Arrow isn't really a dark character -- he's Robin Hood. He's very liberal, usually cracking jokes, and he's out fighting for the everyman more than he's out fighting to end crime. Arrow hasn't quite captured this bit, bringing it a lot closer to a Batman-type character than the comic book Ollie I'd say. I like that there seems to be a slow build to "comfortable" Ollie. We are seeing him progress from hard boiled guy on a mission to a guy with friends and allies. I know I like this show better than the "aw shucks" that was most of Smallville. My DC comic knowledge is minimal.
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May 11, 2014 05:49
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David D. Davidson posted:Yeah but the problem for me is that DC's going for the whole "let's rip off The Dark Knight trilogy by making everything all Dark and edgy because that was the only reason why people say they are good movies" thing that DC has been doing for the past ten or so years. That's honestly the biggest problem with this show. They spend so much time ripping off batman that this show honestly doesn't get enough time to be it's own thing. 
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May 11, 2014 06:08
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Be fair, people do say the Dark Knight movies are good because they are dark and serious, even though they aren't good, so if that led to the creation of Arrow, which is dark and serious and good, I'm all for it.
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May 11, 2014 06:28
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boom boom boom posted:Be fair, people do say the Dark Knight movies are good because they are dark and serious, even though they aren't good, so if that led to the creation of Arrow, which is dark and serious and good, I'm all for it. This is a troll, right? Okay some would argue Rises isn't a great film, but they're pretty far from bad comic book films...
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May 11, 2014 06:40
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Dark Knight Rises was pretty darn bad.
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Oasx posted:Dark Knight Rises was pretty darn bad. Fair enough. Perhaps I'm wrong then and it wasn't a troll at all. Guess I'm just surprised. I always thought Dark Knight trilogy was held in fairly high regard, even Rises... just to a less degree than the first two in the trilogy. Either way I'm happy if it was an inspiration for Arrow. Despite fairly frequent poor writing, Arrow's probably the show I look forward to most.
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May 11, 2014 07:10
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Oasx posted:Dark Knight Rises was pretty darn bad. One is not all three. And yes, it was terrible from every standpoint aside from the effect budget. The first two were pretty great, for dissimilar reasons, but still pretty great. And I ~kinda~ get what that dude's saying. Right now the biggest difference between Ollie's character and Bruce Wayne is Ollie has a sister. It'd be nice to have him be a little more Green Arrowy - like, crack a loving joke every now and then. I guess Felicity is that aspect of his characater, but it kinda leaves Ollie a little dead in the water. But that is a whole plotting thing - it'd be pretty weird to have jokes being cracked by a dude who's mom and best bud were murdered and ex-gf was an alkie or whatever. Drifter fucked around with this message at 07:15 on May 11, 2014 |
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May 11, 2014 07:11
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Keeku posted:Fair enough. Perhaps I'm wrong then and it wasn't a troll at all. Guess I'm just surprised. I always thought Dark Knight trilogy was held in fairly high regard, even Rises... just to a less degree than the first two in the trilogy. It is. Some people just confuse their opinions on movies for objective fact.
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May 11, 2014 07:13
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Keeku posted:This is a troll, right? Okay some would argue Rises isn't a great film, but they're pretty far from bad comic book films... Batman Begins isn't bad, but it's part of an overall bad trilogy. BreakAtmo posted:It is. Some people just confuse their opinions on movies for objective fact. 
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May 11, 2014 07:18
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BreakAtmo posted:It is. Some people just confuse their opinions on movies for objective fact. And some people think one person's opionion stated as objective fact overrides their own opinion  Personally I thought Begins was really good, Dark Knight was a good film with some really bad bits, Dark Knight rises terrible all round. So asa trilogy it abouts averages out.
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Yeah, no. I responded 'it is' in reply to Keeku posted:I always thought Dark Knight trilogy was held in fairly high regard I wasn't speaking about the quality of the films. Like it or not, the DKT IS held in high regard by most.
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May 11, 2014 07:42
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For what it's worth, despite what's being said here about Dark Knight Rises being a terrible movie all over it still sits at an average rating of 8/10 on Rotten Tomatoes. So I'm quite comfortable in my 'it's good, but not great' opinion of it.
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May 11, 2014 07:56
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To steer this ship back to land, Batman Begins was the first superhero film to really treat the subject material with weight and seriousness. It's still goddamn ninjas on trains, but there's a strong focus on the psychological underpinnings on why Bruce Wayne put on the mask and kicks rear end. I'm not saying that "weight" is a good thing; the average person probably prefers the zippier and all together frothier marvel franchise films. And before we give Deadpool a heart attack, I do think this is germane to Arrow. Here's how most of the press and bloggers framed arrow when it first arrived - http://glipho.com/steven/the-cw-s-arrow-bat-clone-or-bat-successor
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May 11, 2014 08:44
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Ollie's Compound Bow. It proper does my head in. Bring back the recurve.
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May 11, 2014 11:03
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That reminds me, how realistic was it for Lauren to be able to fire that explosive arrow properly? I have always gotten the impression that if you aren't trained in archery, that it can be very hard to use a bow. Though I don't know if a compound bow is easier.
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I think what irks some people in general with DC trying to apply the dark and gritty formula is when they try to apply it to heroes more because it succeeded with Batman, than it making sense for the characters in question. Not helped for those who liked Batman himself in Non-Nolan styles, but find their voices drowned out by the choir of dark and gritty being superior - Batman The Brave And The Bold literally dedicated a segment on an early episode to defending itself for daring to be more silver age in tone. I think fortunately enough though, the writers on Arrow do seem aware - at least to some degree - that just because something worked for Batman, doesn't mean it makes sense for Green Arrow. Ollie starts the series as a wannabe, obsessive vigilante who thinks that taking out every big named criminal (albeit it in a list) will help his city, but mainly is just out to fulfill his father's dying wish. It doesn't take long for Diggle to point out that with his resources, and his willingness to skirt the law anyway, he could be helping people in general. And since then we've had this gradual progression, with Ollie sometimes taking some steps forward, and other times taking several back, with hopefully an end point of becoming the guy we all know and love. They certainly aren't likely to have their iteration of the Flash start out a dark knight imitator either (unless the supposed upcoming trailer proves me very wrong), because unlike other superhero productions right now, they've got the scarlet speedster smiling in his promotional material. Really doesn't seem like they're pitching a brooding anti-hero.
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Rocksicles posted:Ollie's Compound Bow. It proper does my head in. Bring back the recurve. It's a minor complaint, but this does bother me every time I think about it. They definitely need to bring back the recurve.
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Oasx posted:That reminds me, how realistic was it for Lauren to be able to fire that explosive arrow properly? I have always gotten the impression that if you aren't trained in archery, that it can be very hard to use a bow. Though I don't know if a compound bow is easier. A 70 pound bow is a 70 pound bow. With a compound, once it's drawn to length the pressure is off and you can hold it drawn all day. But they are ridiculously hard to hit anything instinctively, using good old fashion hand eye coordination. Most use a pin sight or optic. But they look "xtreme". Ollie's style is pure robin hood, instinctive shooting. I hate the design of his compound, it's a hideous nightmare. I have a 35 pound recurve and a 50lb recurve, i hurt my back at work recently and i cant use the 50. i've met one woman who can pull my 50 pound. Ollies compound for his size would probably be a 60-70lb Rocksicles fucked around with this message at 13:27 on May 11, 2014 |
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Aside from the potential difficulty with pulling the bow, all Laurel needed to do was make the arrow go in a very general direction. That isn't hard to do - I did it with my second shot with a bow. Making it go vaguely near to a specific target is really really hard, but she didn't need to do that. If she had nailed someone in the throat with her first shot it would have been goofy, but I thought that was ok. I feel like neither Oliver nor Malcom should really be smashing as many people in the face with their compound bows as they do, though? Anyway Ollie should just use a longbow, although I guess awkward for jumping around with.
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May 11, 2014 14:47
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Keeku posted:This is a troll, right? Okay some would argue Rises isn't a great film, but they're pretty far from bad comic book films... No DKR was just bad. Iron Man 3 or either of the Captain America films are the best interpretations of a comic book character in the movies.
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The MCU Cap isn't Cap.
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Spergatory posted:That's not entirely true. Robbie could get cast on Arrow! Come on, Stephen, throw your cousin a bone. He could be Ollie's secret son, just put through a machine that aged him quickly or through TIME TRAVEL.
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Aphrodite posted:The MCU Cap isn't Cap. What? He's like the most spot on of all the Marvel characters. The Steve Rogers we've gotten on the big screen has hewed incredibly faithfully to the Steve Rogers of the comic books in terms of the "who he is". Honestly, I think Evans does a better job with Cap than even RDJ does with Stark.
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The most definitive movie version of any comics character comes from The Spider-Man Trilogy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8mVQPT6bT0 That said, I didn't like the Dark Knight Trilogy. They were good movies, but the more people talk about them being the best thing ever the more I want to see the animated series again. I do think that Ollie in this is growing to become his comics self, which is, what I feel the point of this show should be. (As was what I thought the point of Smallville was. It probably would have been if there wasn't that "No Tights no Flights" rule).
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Senerio posted:The most definitive movie version of any comics character comes from The Spider-Man Trilogy. not even looking at that link, but it's JJJ. Sure of it. Didn't care for the Batman movies, but i'm a Batman nerd.
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May 11, 2014 18:18
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Rewatching the first season with my husband. The Huntress is pretty terrible. She straight up murdered like 10 FBI dudes in her second episode. Brutal.
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Funhilde posted:Rewatching the first season with my husband. The Huntress is pretty terrible. She straight up murdered like 10 FBI dudes in her second episode. Brutal. WHY WOULD REWATCH A SHOW YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN DIDN'T YOU PAY ATTENTION THE FIRST TIME?!!?!?! Just beating him to the punch.
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Funhilde posted:Rewatching the first season with my husband. The Huntress is pretty terrible. She straight up murdered like 10 FBI dudes in her second episode. Brutal. Now that I think about it, she might make good Suicide Squad fodder since her capture.
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Warmachine posted:Now that I think about it, she might make good Suicide Squad fodder since her capture. Yeah, her dad's dead now so she doesn't really have a reason to try to wander off and go Terminator, and she's got some skills.
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Rhyno posted:WHY WOULD REWATCH A SHOW YOU'VE ALREADY SEEN DIDN'T YOU PAY ATTENTION THE FIRST TIME?!!?!?! Lol. Well you see... Glad my husband is enjoying it in any case.
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May 11, 2014 18:36
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Arnell just posted this up on his FB.
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Funhilde posted:Arnell just posted this up on his FB. 
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Senerio posted:The most definitive movie version of any comics character comes from The Spider-Man Trilogy. I find the movies a decent experiment within themselves, its just when they subsequently start affecting the rest of the Batman material - and so many other superheroes - that it frustrates me. Just because those films were dark and gritty, doesn't subsequently mean that everything involving Batman has to be dark and gritty in order to work, or that every dc hero project should attempt to give itself the same 'realistic' veneer. I mean, we've kinda seen the effect with Arrow, and its part of why its been discussed about how exciting it is that the rule against superpowers has been relaxed as the show has gone on, and certainly outright tossed aside with whats happening to Barry now. Though my ultimate hopes still lie with Solomon Grundy rising from the grave as a nigh-unstoppable zombie.
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Stephen's doing awesome stuff again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-lIlLKndOI Uh... that bidding escalation... http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=321404367771&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2565
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What are the chances they'll actually collect the winning bid? I've seen way too many charity auctions on eBay get screwed over by idiots.
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They rarely get the top bid I think, but they'll drill down to find a legit one.
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Flash trailer confirmed for Wednesday, with a nice little peek at the end of that promo. 
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I was pretty dubious at the figure when I saw it on the main page, but the account that's winning at the moment has a 300+ rating. Edit: Spergatory posted:Flash trailer confirmed for Wednesday, with a nice little peek at the end of that promo. gently caress.
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