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Cojawfee posted:^^^ You have what my medicals texts call "being goony as gently caress." I mean, that's the Law and Order thing, like when the dad from Honey I Shrunk the Kids, or John Locke, or Fraiser or Dr. Kelso or Mr. Green or etc. is on Star Trek. Eventually, we're all on Star Trek. Even you. It's quite another thing when Farmer Hoggett or Weyoun come back yet again.
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Sash! posted:Our Man Bashir was not in the last season Technically the malfunction in Our Man Bashir was unrelated to the holodeck, it happened because the station needed enough memory to store the crew's transporter patterns and the only thing with that kind of capacity was the holosuites. Or something like that. ....sigh. 
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Beet posted:Technically the malfunction in Our Man Bashir was unrelated to the holodeck, it happened because the station needed enough memory to store the crew's transporter patterns and the only thing with that kind of capacity was the holosuites. Or something like that. But THEN the holodeck is all crazy and if anyone dies in the holodeck they die for real !
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May 13, 2014 05:00
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MikeJF posted:And Ba-da-bing wasn't even a I know, I really appreciate that this isn't some crazy crisis that threatens to destroy the station or whatever. It's just fun.
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May 13, 2014 05:01
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BAD THING, it was just that the program had an annoying by-design sidequest.
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That's still awful. The computer is just so god damned stupid that it doesn't pause all programs and light up a path to the exit while saying "computer malfunction, shutting off recreational holodeck use". All the Star Trek ships are completely naive in regards to keeping the people inside alive. All that poo poo like "computer, where's Data?" *beep* "Data is not on the ship"*beep. Stupid, stupid computer.
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May 13, 2014 05:01
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Computer, where is my other black sock? Black sock is not on the ship.
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May 13, 2014 05:02
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Jago posted:That's still awful. The computer is just so god damned stupid that it doesn't pause all programs and light up a path to the exit while saying "computer malfunction, shutting off recreational holodeck use". Sure, that would make perfect sense for a Starfleet vessal or station. But this is Quark's built by the lowest bidder, probably fell off the space truck holosuite mixing with a Cardassian computer that holds a grudge while trying to do complex transporter jiggery pokery. I can totally buy that happening under those very unfavorable circumstances. Now why the Enterprise holodeck was such a disaster? I can only blame the Broccoli for that.
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May 13, 2014 05:16
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Oh my god Avery Brooks is singing 
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The best part of Our Man Bashir was the Bad Guy, seeing he's won, thinking  over it.Phy posted:"inflammation of the goon" I almost want to have my name chamged to InflammationoftheGoon, now. EDIT: Good lord, I want to sit down at the start of TNG, watch all the way through DS9 and Voyager, and take a drink (or shot) every time mentions subspace. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 05:40 on May 13, 2014 |
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Fister Roboto posted:Oh my god Avery Brooks is singing I already think Vic is great, but that scene completely justifies him on its own 
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May 13, 2014 05:32
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jng2058 posted:Now why the Enterprise holodeck was such a disaster? I can only blame the Broccoli for that. Dude just won't stop downloading those malware infested anime holosuite programs from god knows where, and the whole ship's gotta share a computer with him.
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May 13, 2014 05:50
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Star Trek IT is pretty dumb because apparently they've never heard of VLANs or firewalls or any sort of cyber security. Also they designed their ship so that a drunk dude could take down all critical systems.
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May 13, 2014 05:56
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OtherworldlyInvader posted:Dude just won't stop downloading those malware infested anime holosuite programs from god knows where, and the whole ship's gotta share a computer with him. Lieutenant, for the very last time, Crusherboobs.exe from Ferengi.spc is not a Holonovel!
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May 13, 2014 06:19
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My theory is that Starfleet holodecks don't have a built in jizzmopper, so they get literally gummed up and start malfunctioning. Quark's holosuites, on the other hand, do. e: "Frankly, I don't even know what Jadzia saw in him." "Well, his brain." Fister Roboto fucked around with this message at 06:27 on May 13, 2014 |
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May 13, 2014 06:23
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1st AD posted:Star Trek IT is pretty dumb because apparently they've never heard of VLANs or firewalls or any sort of cyber security. Also they designed their ship so that a drunk dude could take down all critical systems. Starfleet is competent at virtually nothing. I believe all the Starfleet Engineer Miracles were some guy out in the field with no resources improved some sensor or made the engine go faster without the aid of cheetah blood is entirely because the guys back at R&D got 99% of the way to making it work but sucked just enough to not finish their work and some random wrench turn solved all the problems.
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May 13, 2014 06:36
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MisterBibs posted:
"Computer, create a simulation capable of causing fatal injuries via alcohol poisoning."
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May 13, 2014 06:37
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^ Stangely enough, I was inspired to do it based on a DS9 episode, not Voyager. Thought experiment: could DS9 have functioned as a show wherein there was no wormhole, that caused the station to remain the backwater of the Federation? You could have the Dominion threat without having the thematic bottleneck.
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Sash! posted:Starfleet is competent at virtually nothing. And yet, they keep winning somehow! 
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Is it OK if I refer to Weyoun and Damar as Dr. Forrester and Frank from now on? Because I am.
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I think it could have. The wormhole sort of made Bajor a lot more important than it would have likely been without it. Remove it, it could be a sort of different look at the Federation in terms of various struggles a much weaker, newer and/or lower-tier space power has to face when trying to become part of the all-powerful Federation. It could be a bit more political and explore the culture of the Federation a bit more, too. Does Starfleet really care about it, or is just viewed as more a humanitarian mission to stabilize the region so they can just back away, again? Does Sisko expect/get little support from home due to the lack of strategic importance, despite the people? You'd maybe have Bajorans as unhappy with the Federation as they were with the Cardassians, for different reasons. The Cardassians destroyed a lot of their culture but they maintained a lot of their cultural identity. Would joining the Federation, given a cultural push to 'fit in' to that club, destroy even that as they would find themselves eager to assimilate to the stronger and more popular aspects of Federation society, customs, arts, etc? Even Ro commented that in the quadrant community some/many Bajorans were already adopting the custom of 'family name second'. Even without a wormhole, the Dominion existing as an unknown collection of conquered people that have been expanding for centuries on the fringes of known until they finally hit the DS9 region could also work. It suddenly boosts the value and importance of DS9/Bajor.
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1st AD posted:Star Trek IT is pretty dumb because apparently they've never heard of VLANs or firewalls or any sort of cyber security. Also they designed their ship so that a drunk dude could take down all critical systems. I just remembered the probe from TNG's "Contagion" that killed the Yamato and nearly the Enterprise with a virus. I guess Ops couldn't be bothered to install even the free trial version of AVG. The Cylons would eat Starfleet alive.
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May 13, 2014 09:19
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I never did get around to finishing Voyager after stopping at the last episode of season 6, but I just started DS9 and not even half way through the first episode and it's already fifty times more interesting than Voyager ever was.
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MisterBibs posted:The best part of Our Man Bashir was the Bad Guy, seeing he's won, thinking RIP MisterBibs, died from the Force of Nature
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May 13, 2014 10:26
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Some episodes, that'd kill you if it was shots of water.
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Cojawfee posted:Computer, where is my other black sock? Good idea.
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May 13, 2014 11:34
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MisterBibs posted:The Ferengi episode of Enterprise gets props for me because it actually made the Energy Whip look pretty badass. Jack seems pretty paranoid schizophrenic to me.
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1st AD posted:Star Trek Heck the writers quite often use "download" for "upload." They just don't know what they're talking about.
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May 13, 2014 13:35
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It's like Star Trek is written by everybody's aunt who needs you to help clean the viruses out of their WinXP box.
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JediTalentAgent posted:The wormhole sort of made Bajor a lot more important than it would have likely been without it. It has been years since I watched Emissary. Why was Starfleet content with leaving a recently installed local Commander to keep an eye on the area after the discovery of a stable wormhole across the galaxy? Did the Bajorans/Kira give Starfleet an ultimatum that they wanted the black dude who talks kinda funny rather than a pile of Admirals and Captains?
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Apollodorus posted:Heck the writers quite often use "download" for "upload." They just don't know what they're talking about. To be fair, when TNG first went on the air the height of consumer computing technology was the Macintosh II, which could display color and IBMs PS/2 line based on 286/386 architecture (but without internal hard drives, they ran off floppies). VGA graphics were a new thing, as were sound cards capable of making your computer do more than beeps and fart noises. I give them props for presaging the rise of the touch screen, the one thing that keeps the tech from looking hopelessly dated, at least so far.
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Otisburg posted:I give them props for presaging the rise of the touch screen, the one thing that keeps the tech from looking hopelessly dated, at least so far. As evidenced by the fact that the most outdated looking thing on TNG is the drat tricorder. Why they didn't apply the touch concepts to it I don't know.
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CharlieWhiskey posted:It has been years since I watched Emissary. Why was Starfleet content with leaving a recently installed local Commander to keep an eye on the area after the discovery of a stable wormhole across the galaxy? Did the Bajorans/Kira give Starfleet an ultimatum that they wanted the black dude who talks kinda funny rather than a pile of Admirals and Captains? Him being the Emissary and the Federation wanting Bajor probably was it.
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Grand Fromage posted:Him being the Emissary and the Federation wanting Bajor probably was it. Yeah, it's a Bajoran station and ultimately (at least at the beginning), the idea is that the Bajorans insisted on The Sisko. Starfleet didn't have a ton of choice in the matter if they wanted to keep relations with Bajor high and get them into the Federation.
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MikeJF posted:As evidenced by the fact that the most outdated looking thing on TNG is the drat tricorder. Why they didn't apply the touch concepts to it I don't know. The tricorder was always a terrible prop when you got to see the readouts in anything resembling a closeup. I don't think it's bulkiness is bad, there's an awful of of poo poo in there, but the static displays with blinking LEDs are just awful. Worse, though, is when they show someone pushing non-existent buttons on a hypospray or those little laptop-looking screens on the captain's desks, or tiny misshapen alien PADDS (all screens are shaped like octagons or paisleys because aliens!) or.. or that loving hatch that was just a lid sitting loosely over a hole. I'm sure the director was like "just pretend there are buttons, you won't be able to tell from the camera angle" but they totally got a shot of their fingers pressing nothing at all and in editing they were just like "gently caress it, good enough". gently caress I love star trek
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Jago posted:That's still awful. The computer is just so god damned stupid that it doesn't pause all programs and light up a path to the exit while saying "computer malfunction, shutting off recreational holodeck use". If you're lucky, the computer might detect a shuttle was leaving the shuttle bay. Like it was something that the computer had no loving clue was happening until it was observed by the external sensors. And where the gently caress was O'Brien during all of these god damned teleports? Dereliction of duty, I say.
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Trent posted:The tricorder was always a terrible prop when you got to see the readouts in anything resembling a closeup. I don't think it's bulkiness is bad, there's an awful of of poo poo in there, but the static displays with blinking LEDs are just awful. Took them forever to come up with something better, too. Didn't get a decent tricorder until Nemesis when they shoved a scanner prop on top of a palm pilot. (Although the fact that a bunch of the 'buttons' around the edge were stickers was painfully obvious) MikeJF fucked around with this message at 15:43 on May 13, 2014 |
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There should have been a way for Picard to press a button that disconnected the holodeck from the main computer, then jettisoned it into space. They could then beam Geordi/Barkley directly to 10 forward where they would be flogged in front of the crew by Worf. I always felt bad for O'Brien, I assume he just spent 8 hours a day standing at parade rest in that lovely little room waiting for some officer to need beamed somewhere. Nissir fucked around with this message at 15:43 on May 13, 2014 |
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Apparently, Galaxy-classes had 20 transporter rooms. For how deserted the ship always appears, that's completely insane.
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Didn't the NCC-1701-D have like 1010 people on board at all time? If so 20 transporter rooms would be needed in addition to the escape pods if poo poo went downhill fast.
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