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Zorak posted:E: Speaking of the Scry Lands, it's funny how everyone thought they were unplayable and now they're played in everything in Standard and also in some Modern decks. My favorite terrible prediction is still people thinking Elspeth Sun's Champion was too expensive to be playable.
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Zemyla posted:Also, look at MTG Salvation. Just now?
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May 13, 2014 09:52
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Greghatch is streaming with a sweet standard brew, here- http://www.twitch.tv/greghatch
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Just got back from winning an SCG Open Trial playing Tyler Winn's R/W Burn list. Wild Guess and Eidolon of the Great Revel are truly amazing, guys. The Eidolon is basically a more consistent Ash Zealot, and if not dealt with immediately, provides ridiculous value in the game going forward, especially against decks playing Mana Confluence. I beat a Selesnya player because he couldn't pump his Unflinching Courage-ed VoR with Selesnya Charm because he only had Mana Confluence & Forest untapped, and he'd end up losing a life from Eidolon. Wild Guess adds a lot more consistency to your hand, as my dead Searing Bloods or extra Mountains or Chained against control turned into more burn. The card was always fantastic for me in the midgame. Never drew Dictate once even though I sided it in against a few players, so I can't comment on it. Overall, the list feels a lot more consistent than the pre-JiN variants I was playing with, for those who are interested. I played against two B/G Devotion decks and two Esper Control decks, and beat both 2-0. Edit: The only changes to the list I'd make are to the sideboard. I'll probably play Deicide over Wear/Tear, just because the Mono-U matchup is probably tough, and I might end up taking out the Act of Treasons for Glaring Spotlights, if Naya Hexproof becomes a thing, because the burn deck just completely dies to it. qbert fucked around with this message at 10:19 on May 13, 2014 |
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Samael posted:Greghatch is streaming with a sweet standard brew, here- http://www.twitch.tv/greghatch Hatch went off with this deck earlier, Turn 3 win against U/W control through removal. The deck is a little inconsistent, but it's explosive as all hell.
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kingcobweb posted:When pro players are like "these new dual lands are great" and people in this thread are like "these new dual lands are awful" you should probably ignore people in the thread. Ugh you're so lucky you get to say this without getting probated. What's your secret? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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kingcobweb posted:What? Who thought this? They are/were dumb. Pretty much everyone I know went "OH it's a guildgate, but I guess it has scry?" and made a jack-off motion, while I was oging "No, it's a free scry that on your next turn gives you mana"
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May 13, 2014 13:08
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Literally The Worst posted:Pretty much everyone I know went "OH it's a guildgate, but I guess it has scry?" and made a jack-off motion, while I was oging "No, it's a free scry that on your next turn gives you mana"
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May 13, 2014 13:12
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Samael posted:Greghatch is streaming with a sweet standard brew, here- http://www.twitch.tv/greghatch Ahaha Trait Doctoring? It's there solely because it basically reads "U: Target target creature. Cipher" right?
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May 13, 2014 13:32
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 Repeatably eatable spell for Nivmagus every time it hits as well!
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Deckit posted:
Yup. The cutest thing is that you can target with any of the spells, and feed it to Niv in response, and you get the heroic trigger AND the +1/+1 counters. Such a fun deck.
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bvoid posted:Yup. The cutest thing is that you can target with any of the spells, and feed it to Niv in response, and you get the heroic trigger AND the +1/+1 counters. Such a fun deck. It's hilarious how many ways the extra words on that card don't matter.
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May 13, 2014 13:46
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t1 nivmagus, t2 2xtrait doctoring t3 sage of hours biosihft take 3 turns (also, they're at 8).
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Dr. Stab posted:t1 nivmagus, t2 2xtrait doctoring t3 sage of hours biosihft take 3 turns (also, they're at 8). Am I doing my math wrong, or is that only 9 counters being put on Sage? Four from swinging on T2, Four from swinging T3, and one from casting Bioshift targeting Sage? And they would only take 6 damage total?
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Yeah, I'm dumb, I though nivmagus had heroic. Still, you can make 11 counters with the same cards, just casting the ciphered trait doctoring on sage of hours t3.
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May 13, 2014 14:18
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That deck is sweet as hell, holy poo poo.
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May 13, 2014 14:26
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Man I couldn't email my distributors fast enough after seeing the Modern Event Deck. I had 12 displays (so 48 decks) pre-ordered with Alliance, but it's good because allocations were set today and I got cut down to 1 display.  I'm OK with this.
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May 13, 2014 14:48
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are the temple gardens just for Bioshift really necessary? e: I just noticed it's only running 17 lands 
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Entropic posted:It's hilarious how many ways the extra words on that card don't matter. I've made a few Trait Doctoring decks, and seen plenty more. And not a single time did the color changing matter. (I played Extort / Nivmagus / Fling during the last Super Standard. As a gimmick FNM deck.)
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Entropic posted:e: I just noticed it's only running 17 lands Nothing in the deck costs more than 2.
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Samael posted:Greghatch is streaming with a sweet standard brew, here- http://www.twitch.tv/greghatch I played against this last night at my LSG league. It's cute but way too fragile and you can lose to one removal spell early in the game. I don't think it's very viable right now. Mortimer posted:If you play a lot of standard how many common and uncommons actually see play? In my opinion Gnarled Scarhide and Brain Maggot make MonoB aggro a top tier deck. mcmagic fucked around with this message at 15:32 on May 13, 2014 |
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Yeah, if you are up against a deck with removal you basically have to keep Gods Willing or Ajani's Presence up, which is hard to do when you probably only have two lands out. Plus they're going to be very willing to doom blade your guy on your turn, have you tap out to counter it, then they untap and hero's downfall it or something.
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May 13, 2014 15:30
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Bugsy posted:Liking the new city in a bottle art. That art is really pretty.  Also drat, that Modern deck is a piece of junk. I'm actually amused because somebody I know preordered them at greater than MSRP.
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May 13, 2014 15:33
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Entropic posted:Yeah, if you are up against a deck with removal you basically have to keep Gods Willing or Ajani's Presence up, which is hard to do when you probably only have two lands out. Plus they're going to be very willing to doom blade your guy on your turn, have you tap out to counter it, then they untap and hero's downfall it or something. All the good decks run a ton of instant speed removal and you're basically asking to get 2 for 1'd with most of your plays.
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Zorak posted:E: Speaking of the Scry Lands, it's funny how everyone thought they were unplayable and now they're played in everything in Standard and also in some Modern decks. That's par for the course I think. As long as I can remember there have been undervalued and overvalued cards that in retrospect look ridiculous. People scoffed at Dark Confidant when it was first revealed. I guess for me its a lot less amusing since its just kind of expected. kingcobweb posted:When pro players are like "these new dual lands are great" and people in this thread are like "these new dual lands are awful" you should probably ignore people in the thread. Pros are wrong all the time when it comes to evaluating new cards. Pretty much the only reasonable advice is "Wait and look at results"
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I'm pretty sure the reaction was "these kind of suck but they'll see play in Standard because they're better than gates/not running duals". The fact that some decks would start running off-colour scrylands since scrying was good and they didn't need all their lands to come in untapped was unexpected though. The only Modern play they see is if you're running Suppression Field or something else that means you can't just use fetches to fill out your manabase.
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It makes me laugh that people expected the Modern event deck to have cards that are worth more money than it cost to buy the deck.
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Angry Grimace posted:It makes me laugh that people expected the Modern event deck to have cards that are worth more money than it cost to buy the deck. Event decks usually do meet this criteria.
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Angry Grimace posted:It makes me laugh that people expected the Modern event deck to have cards that are worth more money than it cost to buy the deck.
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Angry Grimace posted:It makes me laugh that people expected the Modern event deck to have cards that are worth more money than it cost to buy the deck. It actually does though. People are whinging about it not being worth 70bux, but Elspeth + Sword + 4x Isolated Chapel + 4x Windbrisk Heights + paths + inquisitions is like 80bux right there. I think the main disappointment is that most of the rares don't transfer well into other good modern decks, and people were really expecting a marsh flats and/or a bitterblossom.
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I know one guy who was basically expecting "modern staples: the box set" Man, he's gonna be so pissed he preordered it. I figured it'd be something like this, some utility cards like path with maybe an Elspeth or something.
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Entropic posted:It actually does though. People are whinging about it not being worth 70bux, but Elspeth + Sword + 4x Isolated Chapel + 4x Windbrisk Heights + paths + inquisitions is like 80bux right there. And really only the marsh flats would transfer into other decks. I'm disappointed even though I wasn't going to buy it, but I understand why they didn't print "value.dec". If someone wants a broad range of cards to get into modern they should either go back in time for MMA or forward to MMA2 Or blow a paycheck on fetches.
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Samael posted:Greghatch is streaming with a sweet standard brew, here- http://www.twitch.tv/greghatch This is amazing. I actually built a deck very close to this but it has some 3cc stuff like Fabled Hero, Triton Fortune Hunter, no Boros Charm (it's straight U/W) and has Ordeal of Thassa in place of Aqueous Form. The 3cc stuff doesn't get played a whole lot.
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My Alliance rep said that they only received 7% of their pre-orders on the Modern Event Deck. So don't worry about this thing tanking prices of the singles within, these will be more rare at LGS's than FTVs are.
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Fox of Stone posted:How do you feel about Jace v Vraska? Ugh WAJ. Its not an Event Deck, for one, and second, if the actual value of the sellable singles inside were more than the MSRP, nobody would ever get one. This is because most of the time you're paying for cards that have some value but you can't necessarily sell, e.g. Vraska from that deck. If Event Decks were really full of cards that were legitimately worth more than MSRP, the sellers would just open them and sell all the singles. What a Judas posted:Event decks usually do meet this criteria. They actually don't. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 17:01 on May 13, 2014 |
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What's the best dual deck for teaching someone magic?
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Dr. Clockwork posted:My Alliance rep said that they only received 7% of their pre-orders on the Modern Event Deck. They've also said it isn't a limited release product like FTV so if it sells out before the end of its release window expect more printings.
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Are there alt arts? That's the only reason I would buy this.
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Ramos posted:Hop back a few months in this thread, you'll find plenty. Are you saying Goons were wrong about magic? Perish the thought. Mortimer posted:What's the best dual deck for teaching someone magic? Phyrexia vs the Coalition is p cool but it's pretty nostalgia-heavy. There's a lot of neat interactions though and both decks are pretty high variance. The downside is that it doesn't have much for cards that are playable in tournament formats (Jace vs Vraska is probably marginally better for that).
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Angry Grimace posted:It makes me laugh that people expected the Modern event deck to have cards that are worth more money than it cost to buy the deck. The individual cards cost way more than it costs to buy the deck, though, so
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