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I thought Granny Weatherwax preferred using psychology over magic.
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Sam. posted:I thought Granny Weatherwax preferred using psychology over magic. Both yes and no. She does prefer it, but the brand of psychology she employs is laced through pretty heavily with magic. Sometimes to such a degree that it becomes hard to tell how much of what she does to people is actual magic, how much is her just tricking them, and how much is just them tricking themselves.
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May 12, 2014 01:24
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I miss Rincewind and the wizards.  Sam. posted:Didn't they also stop the shopping mall from destroying Ankh-Morpork in Reaper Man?
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May 12, 2014 06:05
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My Lovely Horse posted:
It turned a great book into a pretty good one.
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May 12, 2014 06:09
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I've felt that way about a lot of Pratchett endings over the years.
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May 12, 2014 12:39
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Skippy McPants posted:More accurate to say that they're very good at not doing magic. Going Postal actually says that directly. Going Postal, Chapter 6 posted:Not doing any magic at all was the chief task of wizards—not “not doing magic” because they couldn’t do magic, but not doing magic when they could do and didn’t. Any ignorant fool can fail to turn someone else into a frog. You have to be clever to refrain from doing it when you knew how easy it was. There were places in the world commemorating those times when wizards hadn’t been quite as clever as that, and on many of them the grass would never grow again.
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May 12, 2014 13:06
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My Lovely Horse posted:I miss Rincewind and the wizards. I always skip the shopping mall thing when reading that book. I never really liked those parts.
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May 12, 2014 14:28
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Stroth posted:Going Postal actually says that directly. That always has been one of my favorite discworld quotes, and if you want to know why its true, read sourcery.
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May 12, 2014 19:39
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Kitchner posted:Mustrum is someone selected to be Archchancellor I'm pretty sure Ridcully wasn't selected so much as natural-selected to be Archancellor. He stopped the previous series of 'assassinate your superior to progress' by being loving impossible to assasinate, and allowed everyone to realise it was easier ad safer to stay in one place.
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May 12, 2014 20:10
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thespaceinvader posted:I'm pretty sure Ridcully wasn't selected so much as natural-selected to be Archancellor. He stopped the previous series of 'assassinate your superior to progress' by being loving impossible to assasinate, and allowed everyone to realise it was easier ad safer to stay in one place. Its mentioned in moving pictures: quote:And yet, at the time, it had seemed a really good idea to select an Archchancellor who hadn’t set foot in the University in forty years.
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May 12, 2014 20:19
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Oh how wrong they were.
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May 12, 2014 20:46
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Ridcully and the stabilizing of The Faculty marks one of those really clear turning points when the books moved from being stories about a bunch of zany, disconnect poo poo happening and on to stories about solid, interesting characters having to put up with a bunch of zany, disconnected poo poo happening to them. It was a good thing.
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May 12, 2014 23:24
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Skippy McPants posted:Ridcully and the stabilizing of The Faculty marks one of those really clear turning points when the books moved from being stories about a bunch of zany, disconnect poo poo happening and on to stories about solid, interesting characters having to put up with a bunch of zany, disconnected poo poo happening to them. I feel like in most of the books after that, it's more of a satire of academia instead of being about magic.
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May 12, 2014 23:34
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I thought, at the time and, to be fair, now, that Hogfather was the end. I'm not put out it wasn't, Night Watch happened.
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May 12, 2014 23:57
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Sam. posted:I feel like in most of the books after that, it's more of a satire of academia instead of being about magic. I think I read somewhere that UU was based on Warwick University, so yes I see that too. Back to the previous point though, that's why I feel Ridcully and Ponder are different to the "usual" wizard as one is deliberately different and the other is a nerd. Ridcully has become more like his peers in the later books though.
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May 13, 2014 08:43
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Kitchner posted:I think I read somewhere that UU was based on Warwick University, so yes I see that too.
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May 13, 2014 16:07
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Moving Pictures posted:“And if he’s any problem,” the wizards had added, in the privacy of their own heads, “anyone who talks to trees should be no trouble to get rid of.” So Ridcully should be as easy to get rid of as George III, the English king who reigned longer than any king who preceded him.
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May 13, 2014 16:16
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Patchwork Shaman posted:So Ridcully should be as easy to get rid of as George III, the English king who reigned longer than any king who preceded him. Bad example: George III was supplanted in 1811 when he became incapable and there was a nine-year regency. Taking that into account, he was surpassed in length of reign by both Henry III and Edward III.
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May 13, 2014 18:39
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I like to think that the Wizards thought they were getting David Attenborough. What they actually got was Brian Blessed.
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May 14, 2014 10:24
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That's more or less perfect. Blessed would be the quintessential Ridcully.
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May 14, 2014 10:41
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Pretty much.
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May 14, 2014 10:56
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I like to think that the Wizards thought they were getting David Attenborough. And there's the perfect actor if the wizards ever appear in the Watch tv series.
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Skippy McPants posted:That's more or less perfect. Blessed would be the quintessential Ridcully. Brian Blessed is pretty much the perfect everything. That man is amazing. He could play a couch, and it would be the best couch anyone had ever seen. And the couch's beard would be epic.
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May 14, 2014 12:14
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Iacen posted:And there's the perfect actor if the wizards ever appear in the Watch tv series. Assuming they didn't get David Jason to play him and every second role. 
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EvilTaytoMan posted:Assuming they didn't get David Jason to play him and every second role. You say that like it'd be a bad thing. I always took the wizards v mall sequence to be part of the Windle Poons Is Dead arc. An action sequence is exactly what happens wham Yo ! starts being thrown about. The whole thing is about risk, mortality, and sacrifice. Just like the A plot.
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May 15, 2014 08:22
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Wasn't Brian Blessed Ridcully in the Hogfather movie already?
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Justin_Brett posted:Wasn't Brian Blessed Ridcully in the Hogfather movie already? No, it was Joss Ackland.
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Justin_Brett posted:Wasn't Brian Blessed Ridcully in the Hogfather movie already? I really enjoy that dumb advert on currently purely because Brian Blessed is in it and his line is "WHAT'S WRONG WITH BIG TOMATOES?!" There is nothing wrong with them at all, Brian.
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May 16, 2014 02:09
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I kind of want him to just cuss out Underdog.
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So I've just read through Men at Arms and I was curious about why Carrot seems to hate the undead. Is it simply because Vimes hates the undead, or did I miss something? It just seems a bit out of character for someone who thinks that everyone has good in them deep down.
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EvilTaytoMan posted:So I've just read through Men at Arms and I was curious about why Carrot seems to hate the undead. Is it simply because Vimes hates the undead, or did I miss something? It's a Dwarf thing. Comes of their government being based in Überwald. Cheery has the same problem at first.
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Note also his initial reaction to finding a werewolf in his bed. He gets over that one pretty quick, but his first instinct was to draw his sword. Dwarves don't like vampires or werewolves and the hosed up situation in Uberwald is why.
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Ok. I just assumed that since he was raised by Copperhead dwarves he wouldn't have the same prejudices against the undead that Uberwald dwarves do.
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May 20, 2014 17:13
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It's also worth noting that Carrot can be prone to the same prejudices and misconceptions as anyone else. He just tends to come around on them so quick that you might not notice if you weren't paying close attention. His signature has never been that's he's superhumanly smart or compassionate, but that he learns extraordinarily fast. Go look at the earlier bits of Guards! Guards! He actually is fairly dim when he first arrives, he just gets over it rul dam quik. Skippy McPants fucked around with this message at 17:51 on May 20, 2014 |
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May 20, 2014 17:49
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You mean "rul d*m quik", surely?
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Yeah, Carrot was uncomfortable with the idea of an openly-female dwarf at first.
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Skippy McPants posted:Go look at the earlier bits of Guards! Guards! He actually is fairly dim when he first arrives, he just gets over it rul dam quik. I wouldn't say he is dim more than just extremely naive, plus he was thrust into a culture completely different from the one he grew up in. Then again, the prophecy mentioned in Guards! Guards! does say "Yea, the king will come bringing Law and Justice, and know nothing but the Truth, and Protect and Serve the People with his Sword."
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Silento posted:Yeah, Carrot was uncomfortable with the idea of an openly-female dwarf at first. I thought he came off as more confused than anything. Not 'I don't like this', just 'I don't see the point of this'.
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Stroth posted:I thought he came off as more confused than anything. Not 'I don't like this', just 'I don't see the point of this'. I'm reading through Feet of Clay at the moment and it's definitely confusion he shows rather than shock and disgust the other dwarves show.
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Konstantin posted:I wouldn't say he is dim more than just extremely naive, plus he was thrust into a culture completely different from the one he grew up in. Then again, the prophecy mentioned in Guards! Guards! does say "Yea, the king will come bringing Law and Justice, and know nothing but the Truth, and Protect and Serve the People with his Sword." I think genuine naivety evaporates pretty fast though, but is sort of maintained as a facade.
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