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May 12, 2014 06:44
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Rhino and Electro are B tier villains so Rhino I already didn't care about and i'm surprised they found a way to make me like Electro.
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May 12, 2014 06:52
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RBX posted:Rhino and Electro are B tier villains so Rhino I already didn't care about and i'm surprised they found a way to make me like Electro. Not putting a starfish on his head was a good start.
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May 12, 2014 07:13
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Uh, it's Rhino. Unless they do Flowers For Rhino he's never going to be more than a dumb joke character. That's who he is. Electro's motivation here kind of reminded me of that time in the comics where he got tired of being everyone's butt monkey and decided he was going to suck up all of the power in the city, then shoot Spiderman with it. Just not as directly "I'm going to kill you in the most hilariously overkill fashion anyone has ever thought of ever."
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May 12, 2014 07:14
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Sir Kodiak posted:I don't get coming out of a movie as beautiful as ASM2 and wanting to see the character in the bland MCU visual style, as much fun as IM3 and Cap2 were. Yoshifan823 posted:Because nothing says "true to the comic books" like a boring visual style shared by the entire output of one company! Surlaw posted:Because then he can punch a Hulk!! Y'all are reading a whole lot into what I said. And apparently ignoring parts of it that don't suit your "everyone who likes the MCU is a dumb Redditor" narrative.  I'll be the first to admit that I like uniqueness in movies, but honestly, the recent MCU stuff has just been way better-executed than either of the ASM movies. There's a decent chance that Cap 2 is going to be straight-up my favorite movie of 2014 (since the only things I can really see coming close to it are The Raid 2, Godzilla, Snowpiercer, and Interstellar), and even if come New Year's it's not my favorite of the year, it's gonna take some serious work to displace it from my top 5; if I somehow traveled back in time to when Iron Man 2 came out (or hell, even when Avengers came out) and told past-me this, he'd probably laugh in my face. If the tradeoff for it being a much more enjoyable movie on the whole is that it's slightly less pretty, I'll happily take it.
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SALT CURES HAM posted:Y'all are reading a whole lot into what I said. And apparently ignoring parts of it that don't suit your "everyone who likes the MCU is a dumb Redditor" narrative. It goes beyond "less pretty" and into "less interesting". I think part of the reason these movies are so successful is the novelty of the combined universe, and (for Cap 2, at least), the novelty of A Political Movie, With Superheroes (replace "Political" with whatever genre they're trying out for other movies). Think of the hype surrounding The Dark Knight, but with a movie that isn't as good. (We're not gonna see Robert Redford get nominated for an Oscar, even if he ODs on sleeping pills in the next 8 months) But what happens when that runs out? We've got Guardians and Ant-Man coming up, which have the most potential of any of their movies yet, but another Cap sequel and (oh dear sweet jesus) Avengers 2 don't fill me with the most excitement in the world. Dr. Strange could go either way, and from there (with all of the planning they've done), I imagine a large portion of the future movies (until their contracts run out) are gonna be very same-y because that's what works. Guardians looks neat now, but will Guardians 3 be the same? Or Cap 4: Bucky's Last Stand? Rag on MoS all you want, but at least it was cool, different, and interesting. edit: I don't think everyone who likes the MCU movies is a dumb redditor, because I understand why people like them, even if I don't for the most part. However, I think everyone who wants Marvel to regain control of all of their properties and meld them into the universe so we have a bunch of movies all made by the same people, under the same roof, is hella short-sighted. Also, Avengers is everything I dislike about current movie trends distilled into a 2 hour movie, and the less of those that make a buttload of money, the better for Hollywood. Yoshifan823 fucked around with this message at 08:52 on May 12, 2014 |
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May 12, 2014 08:49
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SALT CURES HAM posted:If the tradeoff for it being a much more enjoyable movie on the whole is that it's slightly less pretty, I'll happily take it. It's not me "ignoring" what you say to disagree with it. Cap2 was more than "slightly" less pretty and I didn't find it more enjoyable on the whole.
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The Reddit comment's just bizarre. What? I totally understand someone saying that they wish ASM2 went with a different style, whether it's visual or tone. I don't see how making it part of The Marvel Cinematic Universe would guarantee an improvement on any of those fronts, aside from giving it more Crossover Potential. There's no doubt Sony's holding the reigns on Marc Webb in places, but Marvel does the same thing, even if they've lightened up on it post-Avengers. I don't want a Spider-Man movie with Thor: The Dark World's quality because I was completely bored by that movie aside from the fun portals everywhere final boss fight. Even when parts of Spider-man movies fail (both Raimi and Webb) they're interesting failures instead of straight out mediocrity. I liked Iron Man 3. I haven't seen Captain America 2 yet. To talk about something I liked instead of just arguing: Max Dillon is a victim of society's failures from the start: He's a mentally ill man who continuously asks for help and is shot down. At work, he asks for help with a dangerous task and is laughed at and ignored by his coworkers, leading to his "death." After his rebirth, he asks for help from New York at large and is literally shot by the cops while Spider-man tries to calm him down, of course he's going to violently lash out. He's then thrown in prison and tortured instead of being shown any form of treatment. If anything, the film turns against the theme of "New York City as the Hero" that's shown up everywhere from Raimi SM1's New Yorkers pelting the Green Goblin with trash to ASM1's crane scene. Here, trigger happy cops gun down a minority and lead to a city wide panic. A True Jar Jar Fan fucked around with this message at 14:21 on May 12, 2014 |
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May 12, 2014 13:27
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Sir Kodiak posted:It's not me "ignoring" what you say to disagree with it. Cap2 was more than "slightly" less pretty and I didn't find it more enjoyable on the whole. The Winter Soldier is the greyest god-drat movie of the new millennium. Every god-drat scene is grey, every locale is grey. It had its strengths as a movie, but it was a loving ugly movie. Then again, I think I may have just been spoiled, since the prior three films I'd seen at the movies were 12 Years a Slave, The Raid 2 and the Lego Movie.
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May 13, 2014 01:02
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Snowman_McK posted:The Winter Soldier is the greyest god-drat movie of the new millennium. Every god-drat scene is grey, every locale is grey. It had its strengths as a movie, but it was a loving ugly movie. Then again, I think I may have just been spoiled, since the prior three films I'd seen at the movies were 12 Years a Slave, The Raid 2 and the Lego Movie. It's a bland looking movie for sure, but there's a big part of me that was glad they went with a relatively naturalistic color palette without indulging in a lot of cliched 'gritty' visual signifiers that are common to the espionage genre these days.
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May 13, 2014 05:10
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Mono-colored isn't necessarily bland or boring. Tim Burton's shite, for instance, looks really dark all the time but it's going for that exact look. Cap 2 has a strong and consistent art direction that clearly sets up the clinical, militaristic, conspiracy-laced tone they wanted this world to take place in. It wasn't, y'know, a mistake they just didn't get the chance to fix or something.
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May 13, 2014 06:18
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My gut instinct was right: goons are dumb AND the movie is really bad about explaining things clearly and consistently. Good grief what a pile of poo poo.
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May 13, 2014 16:05
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Well, I know *my* biggest problem with the movie was an overly complicated narrative (no it wasn't).
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May 13, 2014 16:22
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Yoshifan823 posted:But what happens when that runs out? We've got Guardians and Ant-Man coming up, which have the most potential of any of their movies yet, but another Cap sequel and (oh dear sweet jesus) Avengers 2 don't fill me with the most excitement in the world. Dr. Strange could go either way, and from there (with all of the planning they've done), I imagine a large portion of the future movies (until their contracts run out) are gonna be very same-y because that's what works. Guardians looks neat now, but will Guardians 3 be the same? Or Cap 4: Bucky's Last Stand? Rag on MoS all you want, but at least it was cool, different, and interesting. How about another Hulk movie? Everyone loved the character in Avengers. The Incredible Hulk was pretty good and hinted at The Leader so a sequel already seems set up.
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May 13, 2014 16:50
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DeathChicken posted:Well, I know *my* biggest problem with the movie was an overly complicated narrative (no it wasn't). The narrative was pretty simple. It was just bad.
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May 13, 2014 17:46
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I didn't really notice on my first watch, but on my second time through I really noticed how terrible the dialogue in this movie is. "We have no chimney?" "I break up with you" instead of "I'm breaking up with you?" Really? Who loving talks like that? I mean, the acting is good enough that I can mostly excuse the bad dialogue, but there is some bad goddamned dialogue in this movie.
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May 13, 2014 18:34
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Screen Door Slams posted:"We have no chimney?" I too hate things that are fun.
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May 13, 2014 18:41
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DeathChicken posted:I too hate things that are fun. There's fun, and then there's talking in a way utterly unlike any human being ever would. If the line had been "We don't have a chimney," I'd have been 100% on board with that scene. It would have been great. But there is not a human being alive that would say "we have no chimney" in that situation. Screen Door Slams fucked around with this message at 18:49 on May 13, 2014 |
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May 13, 2014 18:43
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BiggerBoat posted:How about another Hulk movie? Everyone loved the character in Avengers. The Incredible Hulk was pretty good and hinted at The Leader so a sequel already seems set up. If it ever happens, it's going to be after Phase 3.
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May 13, 2014 18:50
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The movie uses a ton of hammy, over wrought dialogue that I personally love but can understand why other people wouldn't like. "No one talks like real people" doesn't say much, the movie isn't aiming anywhere in the realm of realism. It's cool to be disappointed by that, but it's not objectively bad dialogue because of it.
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May 13, 2014 19:05
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Surlaw posted:The movie uses a ton of hammy, over wrought dialogue that I personally love but can understand why other people wouldn't like. "No one talks like real people" doesn't say much, the movie isn't aiming anywhere in the realm of realism. It's cool to be disappointed by that, but it's not objectively bad dialogue because of it. I like most of the hammy dialogue, but there are some points where it just annoys the poo poo outta me.
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May 13, 2014 19:07
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Screen Door Slams posted:There's fun, and then there's talking in a way utterly unlike any human being ever would. If the line had been "We don't have a chimney," I'd have been 100% on board with that scene. It would have been great. But there is not a human being alive that would say "we have no chimney" in that situation. The dialogue wasn't great, but I feel like you're projecting there. "Are you parked in the garage?" "We have no garage." "We have no mailbox." "I can't eat cereal today, we have no milk." There are tons of human beings alive who would say that, seems like a strange line to focus on.
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May 13, 2014 19:15
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That, and the "I break up with you" line isn't her failing to say "I'm breaking up with you"; the line literally means "you don't get to make that decision, it's MY decision to break up with you. In a breakup situation, I will break up with you." Which raises the problem of that being a little controlling and abusive; then again, she's a character who is very preoccupied with making sure people don't make her life decisions for her.
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May 13, 2014 20:00
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Hewlett posted:That, and the "I break up with you" line isn't her failing to say "I'm breaking up with you"; the line literally means "you don't get to make that decision, it's MY decision to break up with you. In a breakup situation, I will break up with you." Which raises the problem of that being a little controlling and abusive; then again, she's a character who is very preoccupied with making sure people don't make her life decisions for her. I also got the feeling between ASM1 & 2 that Peter has done this a handful of times. Freaks out about the promise, breaks up with her, and comes back to her. I got the vibe she was finally fed up with it and said enough is enough.
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^^^^ExactlyHewlett posted:That, and the "I break up with you" line isn't her failing to say "I'm breaking up with you"; the line literally means "you don't get to make that decision, it's MY decision to break up with you. In a breakup situation, I will break up with you." Which raises the problem of that being a little controlling and abusive; then again, she's a character who is very preoccupied with making sure people don't make her life decisions for her. That's not what it means at all. She's essentially saying that he keeps hemming and hawing and breaking up with her, then coming back. This time she breaks up with him, not vice versa. "[This time] I break up with YOU."
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Vintimus Prime posted:I also got the feeling between ASM1 & 2 that Peter has done this a handful of times. Freaks out about the promise, breaks up with her, and comes back to her. I got the vibe she was finally fed up with it and said enough is enough. It should be More Than A Feeling as she says exactly that. I can't quote her verbatim but she says "you always do this" / "you keep doing this".
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May 13, 2014 20:24
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Comfortador posted:^^^^Exactly Sorry, I thought that was what I was conveying. ["you don't get to make that decision, it's MY decision to break up with you."], THEREFORE [I break up with YOU]. Then again, I think I missed the part where they establish the on-again-off-again nature of the breakups; it was hard for me to hear the dialogue during that particular scene because of a really troublesome crowd (e.g. little kids crying, talking loudly, Icee slurping) directly surrounding me during my screening of the film. Hewlett fucked around with this message at 21:38 on May 13, 2014 |
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May 13, 2014 21:32
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I actually liked how they immediately addressed the ending of "promises are made to be broken" from #1 right in the beginning of #2.
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May 13, 2014 21:48
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Snowman_McK posted:The Winter Soldier is the greyest god-drat movie of the new millennium. Every god-drat scene is grey, every locale is grey. It had its strengths as a movie, but it was a loving ugly movie. Then again, I think I may have just been spoiled, since the prior three films I'd seen at the movies were 12 Years a Slave, The Raid 2 and the Lego Movie. And yet, it's a better movie than the extremely colorful yet visually indistinct Amazing Spider-Man 2.
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May 13, 2014 21:58
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I'm so glad they condensed I don't wanna be Spider-man anymore, okay a lot of bad stuff is happening, people actually miss me, okay I guess I can be Spider-man again into the outro of the movie because I really did not fancy dealing with that for the entire first half of ASM3.
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May 13, 2014 23:14
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Surlaw posted:"No one talks like real people" doesn't say much, the movie isn't aiming anywhere in the realm of realism. Except wasn't the whole complaint about the Raimi movies from ASM fans that they were too cheesy and unrealistic? I've heard that a lot. The cheesiest moments in those movies were still owned by Raimi and are substantially far better than any of the overwrought crap that makes up the dialogue in Amazing Spider-Man movies. Whenever Raimi does something stupid, you can tell he's doing it with a wink and a nod. Whenever Webbs movies do something stupid, you're sure it's because he and whoevers writing them are incompetent.
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MyronGognitti posted:Whenever Raimi does something stupid, you can tell he's doing it with a wink and a nod. Whenever Webbs movies do something stupid, you're sure it's because he and whoevers writing them are incompetent. How do you tell? I think this film is perfectly aware of when it's being cheesy and melodramatic.
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May 14, 2014 13:13
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MyronGognitti posted:Except wasn't the whole complaint about the Raimi movies from ASM fans that they were too cheesy and unrealistic? I've heard that a lot. Amazing Spider-Man 1 has weird tone issues, 2 fully embraces its corniness and is totally aware in the same way Raimi's films are and it's great because of it. The film doesn't play a dubstep remix of Itsy Bitsy Spider set to the pulse of Electro's blasts because of incompetence.
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May 14, 2014 13:30
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The end-credits Rhino fight start actually had me thinking of the final speech/charge at the end of 300. Nonsense platitudes and the beginning of what would be a fun fight to watch getting cut off by credits.
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May 14, 2014 14:30
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MyronGognitti posted:Except wasn't the whole complaint about the Raimi movies from ASM fans that they were too cheesy and unrealistic? I've heard that a lot. I can understand cheesy but anyone looking for a realistic movie about a kid with spider powers is ridiculous.
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May 14, 2014 15:20
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ASM3 should tackle that pretty horrific Changes storyline from Spectacular Spiderman (?) where he literally changes into a giant spider. And treat it like a Kafka-esque psychological drama.
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Electromax posted:ASM3 should tackle that pretty horrific Changes storyline from Spectacular Spiderman (?) where he literally changes into a giant spider. And treat it like a Kafka-esque psychological drama. 6-armed Spider-Man story, introduce Morbius to the ASM universe.
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May 14, 2014 19:31
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Everyone wants Emma Stone back, so Sins Past or Clone Saga would be perfect. You could even bring back Chris Cooper.
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My total pipe dream plot is to have Morbius and Man-Wolf in a film, ostensibly about Spider-Man trying to figure out where they came from and to revert John Jameson back to human form, only to find out that John was kidnapped in order to sell the public on the idea that he had indeed transformed when instead these two monsters are revealed to be hoaxes of Mysterio's. Obviously this requires a kind of Iron Man 3 fake-out and much wailing about how Morbius and Man-Wolf weren't treated as "real" but the only good Mysterio plot to me is when you don't know Mysterio's at the end of it, and that's nearly impossible without being able to sell the movie-goers on some other villains as red herrings. And I think Morbius and Man-Wolf are simultaneously high-profile enough to get people reasonably excited about the movie but also low-rung enough to be worthy of sacrificing to Mysterio.
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