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Jedit posted:Who mentioned fault? The straw man is the argument that because some soldiers committed crimes, the IRA can be considered soldiers because they committed crimes too. Just because someone wasn't punished as much as they should have been doesn't mean that someone who is being justly punished should be punished less. Well while that would be a splendid example of a straw man, it's not actually what I said, was it? Nowhere in my post will you find me suggesting that "the IRA can be considered soldiers because they committed crimes too". All I was, and still am, saying is that the British establishment will always seek to excuse behaviour amongst people it considers it's own while condemning the same behaviour amongst those designated 'the enemy'. Pork Pie Hat fucked around with this message at 19:23 on May 13, 2014 |
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Answers Me posted:It somehow passed me by (or I'd gladly forgotten) that Nick Griffin was an elected MEP until I saw this in the suggested videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE6u9OCPK1Y 'Protest vote'
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Robot Mil posted:How does this actually change anything or make it a 'fair deal'? OK it's good that agencies will have to publish their fees, but they are still charging ridiculous fees for things that they shouldn't and publishing them won't change that. If they had shame or people had more choice, maybe, but they don't.
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Answers Me posted:It somehow passed me by (or I'd gladly forgotten) that Nick Griffin was an elected MEP until I saw this in the suggested videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE6u9OCPK1Y PR. Thank gently caress this ignorant-rear end, blinded, stupefied country is not actually calling the shots. Thank gently caress for small mercies.
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Seaside Loafer posted:said sorry im late and just hosed off leaving them with my deposit to cover the last month. do you leave a deposit at the train station as well?
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JFairfax posted:do you leave a deposit at the train station as well? no he takes it with him
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twoot posted:BNP Youth - Fight Back To be honest, I completely agree with this video, What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe. Every thought and every idea, every doctrine and all knowledge, must serve this purpose. And everything must be examined from this point of view and used or rejected according to its utility. Haha oh wait I quoted Mein Kampf and it totally wouldn't look out of place in a response to that video.
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twoot posted:BNP Youth - Fight Back Ugh, I'm really trying to wean myself off any judgement of a person based on their appearance. But when every one of those kids showed up, I thought "this is your loving master race right here? this is your loving perfect aryan hitler youth? LOL" or "where the gently caress is your chin". I got to the one spouting off about cultural marxism and had to skip it because of the shadenfreude.
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The weird thing is a bunch of them are pretty obviously webcam footage, so the whole thing looks like some internet project. Record yourself reading out this poo poo, and you'll be a superstar! I also feel sorry for a lot of them, they're really young and I bet some of them have no idea what they've become a part of
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Here's Britain First's European election strategy video from their... leader? It calls English people living in Scotland and Wales "multicultural refugees" and says that their reasons behind standing only in Scotland and Wales is to get a PEB (which makes sense) and spends a bunch of it talking about how there are a bunch of English people in Scotland... e: haha they're calling a 15 line call centre "very modern" IceAgeComing fucked around with this message at 21:22 on May 13, 2014 |
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baka kaba posted:The weird thing is a bunch of them are pretty obviously webcam footage, so the whole thing looks like some internet project. Record yourself reading out this poo poo, and you'll be a superstar! I also feel sorry for a lot of them, they're really young and I bet some of them have no idea what they've become a part of Yeah - it's really sad. I mean, I held some pretty lovely opinions at that age. Not as lovely AS THAT, but still, lovely. Most of them will turn their back on those opinions, a couple of them will continue to be terrible people. Call me thick, but I didn't realise BNP were a platform against homosexuality either. Thought all they cared about was them foreigners!
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Convexed posted:Yeah - it's really sad. They're literal Nazis. Remember the pink triangles?
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DesperateDan posted:Ugh, I'm really trying to wean myself off any judgement of a person based on their appearance. Love this quote, reread it recently. 
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Convexed posted:Call me thick, but I didn't realise BNP were a platform against homosexuality either. Thought all they cared about was them foreigners!
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Acceptance of the homogays is Cultural Marxism, itself a Jewish, Communist (Jewish) plot to destroy the White race.
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Radio Prune posted:Acceptance of the homogays is Cultural Marxism, itself a Jewish, Communist (Jewish) plot to destroy the White race. I like cultural Marxism. It's like Marxism with a cinema.
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IceAgeComing posted:Here's Britain First's European election strategy video from their... leader? It's great how they're describing the decision to stand only in Scotland and Wales as a "strategy" rather than "all we can afford".
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big scary monsters posted:I didn't know that either, but I'm hardly surprised. Why is it always homosexuals trying to destroy our families and ruin our society though? Does being gay always come with an agenda? Gays are traitors because they don't breed and therefore don't secure a future for the white race. This is literally what they believe. I did a lot of volunteer work with HNH and you hear this kind of rhetoric all the time. It would be laughable if it wasn't so toxic.
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Its actually quite clever to decide to stand only in the two parts of the UK that give you access to a PEB (I know NI does, but I doubt that they have any members and I don't know what you need in order to get one there due to the different electoral system and such) since it means that you can produce something like that and get more media attention due to people getting offended by the poo poo that they peddle. Its the reason that they chose "Remember Lee Rigby" as their election slogan: they'll get more attention because people will get rightly offended at a fascist group using a terrorist attack to try and win votes. It'll not win them elections, but will get them members, and thus cash. ...its something that you'd only do if you had no money and hadn't a cats in hell's chance to win in one of the English regions that they'd get more votes in mind, but still more intelligent than what most of these groups do.
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The best thing about that BNP video? Most of the problems they cite are things which the EU regulates and attempts to solve and the UK fights. Banking regulation, runaway capitalism, monopolies, etc...
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People may remember fartrage droning on about how his party can't be racist, because there's loads of blacks and asians in ukip?The Guardian posted:
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Jedit posted:Jury trials for terrorism-related offences were suspended after both Protestant and Catholic groups began issuing death threats to jurors, so they made their own bed there. And they were charged with crimes; Sands was convicted for possession of a handgun, which was all they could pin on him despite him being caught fleeing a gun battle with the RUC. I don't think I'm a clueless idiot, but that is probably what a clueless idiot would think, so I'll admit it. General China fucked around with this message at 23:48 on May 13, 2014 |
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General China posted:I don't think I'm a clueless idiot, but that is probably what a clueless idiot would think, so I'll leave that question open. I have to question why somebody would be too scared to return to any part of Ireland for 70 years. I mean the numbers just don't add up. Where they a young adult in the 30s? That would make them 90 odd years old when they felt brave enough to return. The history confuses me too. They must have had quite an infirm constitution to be scared of sectarian violence that never happened in the 1930s. The 1935 July Riots in Belfast forced thousands of people from their homes and whole neighbourhoods where destroyed, the Depression whipped up quite a lot of low level sectarian violence in Belfast. I can understand someone not wanting to return to Belfast after their house gets burned down by an angry mob.
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Not gonna lie I can cross Falls to go to the butchers in Shankill fairly easily but I would loving not like to be around during any July of any year in Belfast. I really hope nothing kicks off after Adams arrest too, there were a few unpleasant rumblings.
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kustomkarkommando posted:The 1935 July Riots in Belfast forced thousands of people from their homes and whole neighbourhoods where destroyed, the Depression whipped up quite a lot of low level sectarian violence in Belfast. I can understand someone not wanting to return to Belfast after their house gets burned down by an angry mob. Fair enough- I got it wrong. Sorry, Jedit. General China fucked around with this message at 23:50 on May 13, 2014 |
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Spangly A posted:Not gonna lie I can cross Falls to go to the butchers in Shankill fairly easily but I would loving not like to be around during any July of any year in Belfast. They tried re-branding the twelfth as a family friendly holiday a couple of years back and launched a big PR campaign trying to encourage tourism. Suprisingly "Orangefest" didn't really take off. Britain First actually has some very strong connections to Loyalism, The first time I heard about Paul Golding was when he started popping up in Belfast during the flag protests waving collection buckets.  Here he is with resident loyalist poo poo-stain Willie Frazer during the flag protests, the cardboard cut-out is BNP fundraiser/Britain First organiser Jim Dowson. Dowson and Frazer formed the Protestant Coalition at the height of the protests (Golding was listed as the groups treasurer on official documents). I'm kind of surprised Britain First hasn't bothered running in NI as they do have some pretty strong connections with more extreme political elements here. UKIP is making a fair crack at it even though they won't get many votes, Belfast has been plastered with UKIP posters in the last couple of days (I counted 4 alone on the road into Belfast yesterday) kustomkarkommando fucked around with this message at 00:21 on May 14, 2014 |
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Alecto posted:You're right, how dare people with leftist opinions not simply shut up and accede to those who disagree with them and single-handedly, entirely without other factors, allow Thatcher to increase a majority off the back of a decreased vote share. Politicians should just all sit in the centre and do whatever the gently caress flies through the mind of the average Joe this week, none of this leading, persuading, educating nonsense. Just like Thatcher, she certainly didn't secure a big election win off of a radical platform, nor did she do anything radical while in office. Yep, centrism is truly the only way to go. You're right, but if so New Labour would have probably happened after the next election anyway. Still, country would be better off delaying all that by a term.
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Bozza posted:Love this quote, reread it recently. Haha yes. Preacher has quite a bit of hosed-up poo poo in it as I remember but I think I'll give it a re-read anyway.
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Seaside Loafer posted:Well the main problem is that they always keep your deposit so they can do a free refit, they hire a pro cleaning service for a full treatment even if you have done an great spring clean (which i gave up bovering on years ago when i realised how pointless it was) then they get the painters and decoraters to give it a once over and thats your deposit gone. cunts. This is hilariously illegal btw - and if you ever take them to arbitration they'd be hosed unless you were a disgusting wreck of a pig, but they tend to run under the assumption that renters, especially renters who are busy moving, don't have the time or money to be able to fight their case. Never ever deal with an estate agent who's not a member of ARLA - this is a sign that they're the sort of estate agent who specialises in having batshit insane landlords on the books (the ones who are totally happy to bend the law until it breaks because tenants are filthy scum who'll bilk an honest landlord wherever possible)
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ookiimarukochan posted:assumption that renters, especially renters who are busy moving, don't have the time or money to be able to fight their case
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Seaside Loafer posted:Well exactly, its just the easiest effort solution. Im aware of all the loving take before and after picture stuff and blah blah but ive been stiffed by agencies so many times i have no problem with doing what ive done. Got a life to live, dont really need to be in loving mediation for months on end. They can have the deposit, they just dont get the last months rent. Sometimes it's necessary. My brother's former landlord recently attempted to claim £3000 in repairs when he moved, he let them think he had no evidence before promptly getting the case thrown out first day in court, landing the landlord gently caress all but the legal fees.
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Spangly A posted:Not gonna lie I can cross Falls to go to the butchers in Shankill fairly easily but I would loving not like to be around during any July of any year in Belfast. A friend of mine who's doing his PhD research about contemporary loyalist communities has been saying that he expects this marching season to unpleasant, unresolved feelings of disempowerment amongst certain loyalists combined with unemployment dont make for a good mix. A bad marching season doesn't meant it will kick off in a way that carries on afterwards at all though.
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DesperateDan posted:People may remember fartrage droning on about how his party can't be racist, because there's loads of blacks and asians in ukip? I just want to know how minorities end up in or supporting UKIP. I can understand it for this girl since she's young but I can't understand an adult supporting a party that specifically holds them in contempt.
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Broniki posted:I just want to know how minorities end up in or supporting UKIP. I can understand it for this girl since she's young but I can't understand an adult supporting a party that specifically holds them in contempt. They're small business owners, or closely related to small business owners, who think that the economic policies of parties like UKIP will benefit them, and their families. If they're 1st or 2nd generation immigrants, it's probably because they are attempting to integrate with the establishment to avoid being treated like poo poo (this of course doesn't work).
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Broniki posted:I just want to know how minorities end up in or supporting UKIP. I can understand it for this girl since she's young but I can't understand an adult supporting a party that specifically holds them in contempt. A few days ago she was defending UKIP strongly on C4, I doubt she had a Damascene conversion and has either been plotting this in the knowledge ukip were racist for ages (but still went on TV to defend them), or maybe she wanted a few minutes of fame before she hops ship the the tories, knowing that after the euro elections, or something happens to fartrage ukip are done. For other people? I don't know, I don't think its beyond consideration that some know they are being used as token minorities and simply look past that because they might get a cushy/powerful position.
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Spangly A posted:Sometimes it's necessary. My brother's former landlord recently attempted to claim £3000 in repairs when he moved, he let them think he had no evidence before promptly getting the case thrown out first day in court, landing the landlord gently caress all but the legal fees. We got shafted by a private Landlord in Walthamstow a few years ago - granted, we'd hosed a few things up (why they insist on light beige carpets/white furniture everywhere in a rented house I don't know) and we're happy to take the hit for them, but she kept the entire deposit and sent a laundry list of things that were wear and tear (slightly loose stair handrail, bathroom window cracking due to temperature differences, poo poo like that) accusing us of smashing the place up. It was a loving joke some of the poo poo she was calling out, but given the other two idiots I lived with decided they weren't staying about a week before lease renewal and I was going on holiday, not a great deal we could do about it. I went back two weeks later to drop keys off and lo and behold, our deposits paying for a new bathroom, despite the 'old' one being no more than a year old. ALAB.
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I had a similar situation. Our flat was quite run down and the landlord took a fair chunk of the deposit, apparently to fix a lot of damage and clean the carpets etc. A few months later we got a call saying everything had been ripped out and replaced and that they were looking for reliable tenants...obviously the deposit wasn't used to fix anything at all, just fund the renovation. This was also the landlord who left loads of her stuff in the flat, wanted her mother to stay with us while visiting from abroad, and wanted the flat back for 1 week for herself while she was also visiting from abroad. I don't think she understood that while we were living there it was our flat and not her own personal hotel. Lady Gaza fucked around with this message at 08:57 on May 14, 2014 |
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I had a landlord once who kept all his paperwork in the loft in my flat, rented it as furnished but couldn't get the sofa he bought into the flat so that I had to bring my own sofa from storage, then accused me of stealing my own sofa when I left, took me "out to dinner" to basically infer to me that he was part of the Croydon mafia, and kept ringing me at work to threaten me about beating the money out of me for the furniture after I left. I did, however, rent via a letting agency who for once were totally on my side, changed the locks so he couldn't come and go as he pleased and informed him of my rights. So there was that at least. Also rented a flat where one of the bedrooms was locked, as a shrine to the son who had died in it. The door was glass panelled. Not at all creepy. Betjeman fucked around with this message at 09:11 on May 14, 2014 |
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El Pollo Blanco posted:They're small business owners, or closely related to small business owners, who think that the economic policies of parties like UKIP will benefit them, and their families. If they're 1st or 2nd generation immigrants, it's probably because they are attempting to integrate with the establishment to avoid being treated like poo poo (this of course doesn't work). Also, despite all the attempts by the media to paint UKIP as xenophobic, I think there are plenty of people who still see them as representing a cautious view of EU immigration policy.
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Betjeman posted:Also rented a flat where one of the bedrooms was locked, as a shrine to the son who had died in it. The door was glass panelled. Not at all creepy. This sounds like the beginning of a Hitchcock film.
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