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Peterborough. FairyNuff fucked around with this message at 14:53 on May 15, 2014 |
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Trickjaw posted:The 'Proper British' people round here would be hosed anyway. Most of the drivers are foreign. I find the worst problem on buses isn't down to a nationality, its those old bastards with passes who use the bus to go from one stop to another 20m away, and are more noisy and irritating than the kids most of the time. I have enjoyed the couple of occasions where I've taken primary school children on London buses. Taking over the bus with children who always seem to be allowed to ride for free (I'm fairly certain we're supposed to pay unless we have booked in advance, which we never do). Seeing the despair in the eyes of the other passengers as they realise their journey just became the bus trip from hell as 30-60 over-excited school children pile on and scramble about for seats and then loudly discuss the most inappropriate things you can think of. The only annoying thing is the nagging feeling I've left a child at the stop as we pull away, which I've never done but a colleague did lose children on the Tube one time which was hilarious for everyone but her.
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May 15, 2014 14:58
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Biggus Dickus posted:I know, but the argument is that leaving Europe will save us £54M/day. It's these hard-of-thinking types that UKIP are courting I think. It's not entirely wrong. Our membership fee is about £54M/Day to be in the EU. We get some back though and it comes out to somewhere around £33M/Day in the end which is still a shedload of money the UK could spend on itself and let Farmers renegotiate things like Animal Welfare and GMO's with the Goverment hoping for lower restrictions. They're not stupid, they realize that with higher tarrifs from leaving the EU the UK will have to buy more of its food locally and be forced to continue subsidizing its farmers to keep the food supply consistent. A lot of farmers might well come out better from the EU, if they're not relying on Exports for most of their non-subsidized profit. If they are they'll be utterly hosed. If you're not a farmer then it's probably a much better deal if the EU keeps setting the rules for farming, because they're pretty strict and pretty fair all things told. There's a reason our food isn't the utter horror show that the US' is.
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May 15, 2014 15:21
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Fans posted:It's not entirely wrong. Our membership fee is about £54M/Day to be in the EU. Nope. https://fullfact.org/economy/cost_eu_membership_gross_net_contribution-30887 quote:In 2013, UK government gross contributions were £14 billion. After rebates and other receipts, our net contribution was £8.6 billion, or about £24 million a day on Nigel Farage’s framing.
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May 15, 2014 15:36
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So how far along the Road to Fascism is the rise of private militias?
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May 15, 2014 15:38
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad posted:Nope. https://fullfact.org/economy/cost_eu_membership_gross_net_contribution-30887 That last figure isn't including household contributions, just Government ones.
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May 15, 2014 15:55
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Answers Me posted:So how far along the Road to Fascism is the rise of private militias? Actual blackshirts in support of UKIP, how's Nige going to spin this one? Blackshirts, in 2014. I do hope Nigel's planning some election campaigning on Cable Street.
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May 15, 2014 16:00
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Answers Me posted:So how far along the Road to Fascism is the rise of private militias? I love fascist official statements. They always brag about how tough they are and come off as such weenies.
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May 15, 2014 16:00
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Answers Me posted:So how far along the Road to Fascism is the rise of private militias? Remember that story about BNP and EDL members being chased by women dressed as badgers? I hope these prats get humiliated in a similar manner. http://m.ibtimes.co.uk/bnp-edl-hate-fascist-badgers-473597 Lest we forget. Rush Limbo fucked around with this message at 16:04 on May 15, 2014 |
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May 15, 2014 16:01
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Answers Me posted:So how far along the Road to Fascism is the rise of private militias? Golding's appearance on the Daily Politics is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0441qzj/daily-politics-15052014 Skip to 31.30. e: oh jesus Andrew Neil's face at 41.23. *Grins* "It's just slightly strange, isn't it?" *Grimface* KayTee fucked around with this message at 16:09 on May 15, 2014 |
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May 15, 2014 16:05
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They said that before the anti-Farage protests in Edinburgh: their "protection" of Farage was a couple of SDL people who were chased away by the protesters. Also; I love the fact that PROTESTING someone's vile politics is apparently "stifling democracy" when protest rights are literally one of the most basic things that should be protected in any proper democracy! Not that the UK does a good job of that at all... The misunderstanding of "freedom of speech!" as being an absolute right to say anything stupid without being challenged is one thing that really annoys me...
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May 15, 2014 16:06
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HortonNash posted:Actual blackshirts in support of UKIP, how's Nige going to spin this one?
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May 15, 2014 16:54
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KayTee posted:Golding's appearance on the Daily Politics is here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0441qzj/daily-politics-15052014
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May 15, 2014 17:07
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big scary monsters posted:I know it's meant to evoke swarthy and bearded foreign paedophiles preying on good white English boys and girls, but every time he talks about handing out "Muslim grooming" leaflets I can't help but imagine they're flyering for some kind of specialist barber's. It keeps sounding like a 'How to' guide to me. Thick as gently caress, that lot.
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May 15, 2014 17:33
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big scary monsters posted:I know it's meant to evoke swarthy and bearded foreign paedophiles preying on good white English boys and girls, but every time he talks about handing out "Muslim grooming" leaflets I can't help but imagine they're flyering for some kind of specialist barber's. The funny thing is there is a Muslim Barber near where I used to live. Several, actually. Never bothered to find out if they specialised in Muslim grooming but they sure gave good shaves.
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May 15, 2014 17:42
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Manston has closed and the owner (who bought the field for £1) has rejected an offer at her full asking price. She also sent a snotty letter to a six year old who had asked her not to close the airport so her daddy could keep his job, saying "I hope he finds a new one!" with a nice picture of the castle she lives in. Didn't need more air traffic anyway.
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May 15, 2014 18:33
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Spangly A posted:Manston has closed and the owner (who bought the field for £1) has rejected an offer at her full asking price. She also sent a snotty letter to a six year old who had asked her not to close the airport so her daddy could keep his job, saying "I hope he finds a new one!" with a nice picture of the castle she lives in. Isn't that pretty close to where Borisport was going to be ?
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May 15, 2014 18:52
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So the European elections are coming up, but I don't really know who I'm going to vote for. I always used to vote Lib Dem for the EU elections as they were the most pro-European party but  , etc, has put me off them. Labour aren't reliably pro-EU in my opinion, are the SNP an option? I'm not pro-independence but maybe for the EU elections they're a better choice than the lovely Scottish Labour list?
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May 15, 2014 19:08
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Lord of the Llamas posted:So the European elections are coming up, but I don't really know who I'm going to vote for. I always used to vote Lib Dem for the EU elections as they were the most pro-European party but Vote SNP if you recognise that Labour are lovely. Although if the latest polling is correct it probably doesn't matter, the only seat which is in play will be between the Tories and UKIP. Nobody else really has a chance unless something weird happens with the turnout. 
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May 15, 2014 19:25
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Zephro posted:This almost feels like some kind of SWP false-flag thing. The SWP are too busy selling papers and excusing rapists. Britain First are sadly very real.
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May 15, 2014 19:31
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I just noticed the OP was updatedKKKlean Energy posted:Click through to see election results for your region from 2009, which may help inform how you should vote if you want to keep certain bastards out (the form of PR used reduces the relevance of tactical voting but it is not completely off the table). and thought I could weigh in a little on the tactical voting mention, given that it's really completely different to what we're used to in FPTP. After a certain point (a point that all regions will almost definitely reach) spreading votes is more effective than concentrating them. To work out how your vote is most effective, you need to look at what's going to happen in the final round of your region, which is the only round that really matters (if any of the previous rounds don't go the way you predicted then you're hosed, there's absolutely no way to account for this so simply assume it won't happen). Each party is assigned a quotient, which is calculated by V/(s+1), where V is the number of votes they've received and s is the number of rounds the party has already won. So say it's the sixth and final round in you region, Labour have won 2 seats, each vote they receive adds only 1/3 to their 6th round quotient in that example. Say UKIP have won one seat, then their quotient increases by 1/2 per vote, so they need much fewer votes than Labour to win that final seat. So if you're trying to decide whether, for example, to vote Green or Labour, and the Greens haven't one any seats yet, if the difference between UKIP's and the Green's 6th round quotient is less than 3 times the difference between UKIP's and Labour's, then voting Green is more likely to keep UKIP out. So this is why spreading can be more effective than concentrating- in the final round a vote for a small party can be worth 2, 3 or 4 times more than a big one. You can easily calculate a party's quotient by using the calculator that was (very gratifyingly) linked to in the OP by inputting whatever polling data you can find for your region. However, regional polling data can be very unreliable and because of this, I really wouldn't recommend trying to vote tactically. Though, I am using it to try and work out whether Labour or the Greens have the best chance at the final seat in my region.
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May 15, 2014 19:59
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twoot posted:the only seat which is in play will be between the Tories and UKIP. Nobody else really has a chance unless something weird happens with the turnout.
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May 15, 2014 20:10
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So the election campaigns are in full swing and I'm fully stuck in coalition hell in Portsmouth and yet this drops through my door... 
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May 15, 2014 20:50
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:So the election campaigns are in full swing and I'm fully stuck in coalition hell in Portsmouth and yet this drops through my door... It never ceases to amaze me how people think something disagreeing with them is undemocratic. The drawing on the US as inspiration for fastest way to become a shithole is also surprising.
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May 15, 2014 21:04
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:So the election campaigns are in full swing and I'm fully stuck in coalition hell in Portsmouth and yet this drops through my door... Does no.8 mean Batman? If so, they have my vote, and they can start shooting random naysayers in the street. Y'see, Batman will sort them out eventually.
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May 15, 2014 21:09
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a first amendment to what?
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May 15, 2014 21:10
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Cerv posted:a first amendment to what? An uncodified constitution that makes no promises, or guarantees, silly.
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May 15, 2014 21:11
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Cerv posted:a first amendment to what? I don't think they quite thought it through. And it's screwed up because I binned it and then thought "no, I have to share this stupidity with the world"
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May 15, 2014 21:11
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To the English Declaration of Independence from Eurabia
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May 15, 2014 21:11
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Cerv posted:a first amendment to what? SHUT UP IT SOUNDS COOL LIKE IN AMERICA
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May 15, 2014 21:11
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Spangly A posted:SHUT UP IT SOUNDS COOL LIKE IN AMERICA It might shut up some of those people that go "Hah, you don't even have a first amendment  "
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May 15, 2014 21:13
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Alecto posted:I just noticed the OP was updated I like to think of myself as a numbers person but it's still beyond me - thanks for the follow-up though, I'll take a closer look at the London region in your calculator later! ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:I don't think they quite thought it through. And it's screwed up because I binned it and then thought "no, I have to share this stupidity with the world" God dammit, for a moment there I was really enjoying the idea that they delivered it like that. Microplastics fucked around with this message at 21:16 on May 15, 2014 |
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May 15, 2014 21:14
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And, somewhere in Portsmouth, as we mock, there is someone picking that up off the mat and things "That's exactly what we need. About time!" e: people like this http://www.essexchronicle.co.uk/Girl-14-try-getting-baby-swing-firefighters-came/story-21093857-detail/story.html My local paper is also bemoaning people are nasty to Nige because in Maldon someone put a Hitler tache on the billboard. Chelmsford, for shame. Trickjaw fucked around with this message at 21:16 on May 15, 2014 |
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May 15, 2014 21:14
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twoot posted:Vote SNP if you recognise that Labour are lovely. Although if the latest polling is correct it probably doesn't matter, the only seat which is in play will be between the Tories and UKIP. Nobody else really has a chance unless something weird happens with the turnout. The SNP just told their members to vote against a bill supporting a living wage and taking action on blacklisting and zero-hours contracts, they're not especially left-wing themselves. They make a big noise about how post-independence they'd support anti-poverty measures though, but they aren't using the powers they have right now for it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27386503
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May 15, 2014 21:15
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:So the election campaigns are in full swing and I'm fully stuck in coalition hell in Portsmouth and yet this drops through my door... But, I'm guessing they want freedom of speech simply so they can get away with calling people paki and such, like the good old days before PC went mad and you started being arrested for being White.
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May 15, 2014 21:17
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KKKlean Energy posted:I like to think of myself as a numbers person but it's still beyond me - thanks for the follow-up though, I'll take a closer look at the London region in your calculator later! I am pretty terrible at explaining myself, I wouldn't worry. One last pass at it: if a party has won two seats, in the race for the last one, their vote is divided by 3, so a vote for them increases their quotient by a 1/3, because ofc 1 vote divided by 3 is 1/3. If a party hasn't won any seats yet, then their quotient is simply their number of votes, so in the race for the last seat, an extra vote for them is worth 1, rather than a 1/3 for a more successful party. This creates scenarios where small parties like the Greens are more likely to keep UKIP out than bigger ones like Labour. Such as, 3|UKIP-Labour| < |UKIP-Green|. Or to make it more general: (SP2+1)|P1-P2| < (SP3+1)|P1-P3|. P1/2/3 being party 1/2/3's quotient in the final round and SP2/SP3 being the number of seats party 2/3 has already won. (Yeh, probably not much simpler, eh.) The real takeaway is it's very, very difficult to vote to keep someone out in PR. Using it to decide who of your two favoured parties to vote for is possible, but proper tactical voting is as likely to waste you vote or have some unintended consequence as it is to actually help. (I'm assuming most people here are choosing between Greens and Labour) In all regions except Scotland, Wales, North East and of course Northern Ireland, the Greens have a perfectly realistic chance of a seat. (London specifically is one of the few places with a Green incumbent, and it's looking pretty close.) Alecto fucked around with this message at 21:43 on May 15, 2014 |
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May 15, 2014 21:23
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Well, there's a thing. I replied to my paper's crying tweet we are being nasty to Nige by saying he deserves it as a fascist who is trying to divide society. They deleted the tweet, and I think, blocked me. Wheres my first amendment now?
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May 15, 2014 21:43
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HortonNash posted:
These days, you can get arrested for saying you're English!
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May 15, 2014 21:50
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Trickjaw posted:Well, there's a thing. I replied to my paper's crying tweet we are being nasty to Nige by saying he deserves it as a fascist who is trying to divide society. They deleted the tweet, and I think, blocked me. Wheres my first amendment now? I got blocked from the guardian for posting that I wanted Huhne to get shanked. It wasn't a threat!
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May 15, 2014 21:50
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Also I just remembered he wrote an article about knife crime and threats three days later. I'm glad my journalistic contributions are starting to be noticed.
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May 15, 2014 21:57
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