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Just noticed that the Vatican isn't even included in this map.
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One of Ireland's problems is all that "family" poo poo is written in our constitution (thanks de Valera), which requires a referendum to change, which required time and money, which governments don't like doing. Needless to say though, gay marriage would pass a referendum here no problem.
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the jizz taxi posted:I actually assumed Italy being so socially conservative had to do more with the influence of the Church. The main problem is that we haven't had a proper non-conservative government since 2000 (thanks, Silvio!). Even during the brief periods in which a left-wing party was in power, it was in name only since thanks to an absolutely asinine electoral law they could not get an absolute majority, and had to ally themselves with minor right-wing parties to have a majority in parliament. The most recent attempt in favour of gay marriage was this year, actually, proposed by the current prime minister Renzi. When the church protested (through the CEI, the community of italian bishops) the answer was "Thanks for your input, but here in Italy we have the separation of church and state." Then Alfano (the boss of the right-wing party Renzi's party is allied with) actually came out and explicitly said "If they try to pass a gay marriage law we're gonna topple the government"  Really, I could write a five-thousand word essay on why Italy's politics are absolutely hosed up (most notable point: there are still at least 15% of Italians who are willing to vote for Berlusconi, who is a convicted felon), but I think I'd get an aneurysm from high blood pressure before I reach the halfway point. Mikl fucked around with this message at 11:30 on May 15, 2014 |
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May 15, 2014 11:26
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Mikl posted:The main problem is that we haven't had a proper non-conservative government since 2000 (thanks, Silvio!).
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May 15, 2014 11:48
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Mikl posted:Really, I could write a five-thousand word essay on why Italy's politics are absolutely hosed up (most notable point: there are still at least 15% of Italians who are willing to vote for Berlusconi, who is a convicted felon), but I think I'd get an aneurysm from high blood pressure before I reach the halfway point. Really, an "Italian politics" thread would be fascinating. I don't know much about Italian politics, and I've only vaguely heard about the scandal around Berlusconi; I think it'd be very educational!
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May 15, 2014 14:09
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Yeah, I'm also interested. If you or someone else make a thread about it, please link it here.
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May 15, 2014 14:14
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Well since you asked, I'll try to get a thread up over the weekend.
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May 15, 2014 14:19
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There was one not too long ago and it didn't gain much traction.
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May 15, 2014 14:27
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khwarezm posted:Lets not go nuts, we don't have anything close to the kind of hardcore zealots that influence American discourse(although Northern Ireland has its fair share of that), its more of a holdover of Ireland's long, long period as a, uh, quaint little colony of Catholicism holding out against those Protestant barbarian Saxons across the sea. Its taking a very long time to shake off the Catholic church's influence in culture and politics, especially when combined with the sort of sluggish system that kustomkarkommando described. I keep misreading Stormont as "Stormfront" and I don't think that's inappropriate.
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May 15, 2014 14:54
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Here's a language map of Canada
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May 15, 2014 15:03
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 Top one: Number of fires in a region. Bottom one: Number of acres burned in a region. (or acres/fire rather)
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May 15, 2014 16:10
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Mikl posted:"Thanks for your input, but here in Italy we have the separation of church and state." I thought you guys had a law or something that makes it illegal to ever say anything bad about the Vatican or something like that, am I just crazy?
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May 15, 2014 16:59
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Also crosses in classrooms because the cross isn't a religious symbol it's a cultural one and being catholic is a culture not a religion so we're all good.
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May 15, 2014 17:00
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Baronjutter posted:Also crosses in classrooms because the cross isn't a religious symbol it's a cultural one and being catholic is a culture not a religion so we're all good. They have crosses in Bavarian classrooms as well, even though the German constitutional court ruled them unconstitutional.
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May 15, 2014 17:03
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:I thought you guys had a law or something that makes it illegal to ever say anything bad about the Vatican or something like that, am I just crazy? Not that I know of. At least if there's a law like that it's not enforced, since there are lots of people saying some very bad poo poo about the Church and the Pope, and they do so without any legal consequences. Baronjutter posted:Also crosses in classrooms because the cross isn't a religious symbol it's a cultural one and being catholic is a culture not a religion so we're all good. This is a holdout of the Lateran Treaty, in which catholicism was named as Italy's official religion, so every public office / school had to have a cross displayed somewhere. Note the use of past form verbs. This part of the Treaty was abolished by a revision in 1984. It was thirty years ago you guys, let go of it already!
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May 15, 2014 17:09
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Torrannor posted:They have crosses in Bavarian classrooms as well, even though the German constitutional court ruled them unconstitutional. Bavaria is germany's red neck bible belt basically, but also rich as poo poo after being propped up by buckets of marshal aid and nazi old-money post-war. They got so upset over the EU allowing coloured and foreign folk in they started their own internal border crossing with passport inspections and poo poo on trains. So even germans going into Bavaria had their crazy right wing police demanding "papers please".
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May 15, 2014 17:13
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Baronjutter posted:Bavaria is germany's red neck bible belt basically, but also rich as poo poo after being propped up by buckets of marshal aid and nazi old-money post-war. They got so upset over the EU allowing coloured and foreign folk in they started their own internal border crossing with passport inspections and poo poo on trains. So even germans going into Bavaria had their crazy right wing police demanding "papers please".  
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May 15, 2014 17:16
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Mikl posted:Not that I know of. At least if there's a law like that it's not enforced, since there are lots of people saying some very bad poo poo about the Church and the Pope, and they do so without any legal consequences. Okay I think I was thinking of a specific case I read about a while ago where your excessive anti-defamation laws were used against someone politically and it involved the Vatican. Sorry!
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Okay I think I was thinking of a specific case I read about a while ago where your excessive anti-defamation laws were used against someone politically and it involved the Vatican. Sorry! No need to apologize! I wonder if I came across as too pissy or snappy in my reply. Just to clarify, the last line of my previous post (including the smiley) was directed at my fellow Italians who can't let go of some part of the Lateran Treaty (like the crucifix in public building) despite it being massively outdated, not at any posters in this thread. Sorry if I gave the wrong impression.
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May 15, 2014 17:48
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Baronjutter posted:Bavaria is germany's red neck bible belt basically, but also rich as poo poo after being propped up by buckets of marshal aid and nazi old-money post-war. They got so upset over the EU allowing coloured and foreign folk in they started their own internal border crossing with passport inspections and poo poo on trains. So even germans going into Bavaria had their crazy right wing police demanding "papers please". Me, an American, crossing into Bavaria from Austria via train. I'm pretty sure I'm the only one in the car because it was like 5:00 in the morning, and two cops stroll on in:  Ausweis, bitte. (ID, please) Ist...etwas geschehen? ("Has something happened?" in American-accented German) *without looking up* Routine. He gave my passport back and I returned to watching Top Gear on my laptop. I thought it was Schengen all up in here, so I was definitely confused.
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Baronjutter posted:Bavaria is germany's red neck bible belt basically, but also rich as poo poo after being propped up by buckets of marshal aid and nazi old-money post-war. They got so upset over the EU allowing coloured and foreign folk in they started their own internal border crossing with passport inspections and poo poo on trains. So even germans going into Bavaria had their crazy right wing police demanding "papers please". Yes, that a pretty good description. I secretly hope that we will at some point be forced to cede Bavaria to Austria. The Bavarians and Austrians can try to outdo each other with xenophobic politics, and we get rid of the most lovely right wing politicians (and the voters who keep electing them). Meaning that our relatively sane conservative politicians cannot be dragged ever more to the right by the Bavarian freaks, and of course the number of conservative voters in relation to the others gets smaller. We would also get rid of Bayern Munich, who can play in the Austrian league instead.
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tbp posted:There was one not too long ago and it didn't gain much traction. I'm not sure there's enough interest for a thread per se, but the old Euro Drama thread could use a new edition. Or I guess you could do that italy post in the europarl elections thread.
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May 15, 2014 18:25
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Jedi Knight Luigi posted:Me, an American, crossing into Bavaria from Austria via train. I'm pretty sure I'm the only one in the car because it was like 5:00 in the morning, and two cops stroll on in: Something similar happend to me and group of friends when we went by train from Italy to München. We shared the compartment with a german guy who was black. The border police could barley be bothered to open my Swedish passport, but when it came to the german guy he was asked a load of questions about him, where he was from, where he was going, even though he had a german passport.
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May 15, 2014 19:33
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I'm glad that the one time I went to Munich it was with Berlinienbus, since I didn't get asked for my passport crossing the border from Thuringia.
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I was wondering what what going on with Alaska, because that is a massive area to burn, and found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Alaska_fire_season In 2004, 6.6 million acres burned, an area roughly equal to Massachusetts.
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May 15, 2014 22:40
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Countries by top export.
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Mu Cow posted:Countries by top export. Thank god we opened Afghanistan up to free trade.
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May 15, 2014 22:57
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Ghana is blank for some reason, and Somalia has been partitioned. I'm very surprised that India's top export is precious stones. Neat map.
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May 15, 2014 23:03
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Wood products in Burma, I'm not surprised.
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May 15, 2014 23:16
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So is New Zealand's primary export Anchor butter?
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Count Roland posted:Ghana is blank for some reason, and Somalia has been partitioned. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somaliland It's also on the National Geographic world map so it clearly must be universally recognized.
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Huh, I didn't know Palestine was famous for its strawberries.Count Roland posted:Ghana is blank for some reason, It's got the color for oil and natural gas, so I assume it's something along those lines.
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May 15, 2014 23:38
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What is Macedonie/Fyrom exporting ? The font is too small. Same with Armenia. Pig Iron ?
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May 15, 2014 23:40
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skipThings posted:What is Macedonie/Fyrom exporting ? skipThings posted:Same with Armenia.
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May 15, 2014 23:42
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skipThings posted:What is Macedonie/Fyrom exporting ? This page has closeups on all the regions that are hard to read. I wonder what the "wood products" that support the Burmese and Laotian economies are.
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Albania is two of some sort clothing/textile products, but I can't read that one. ^^^Edit: Oh, there we go.
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Pakled posted:This page has closeups on all the regions that are hard to read. Thank you quote:Peaceful Anarchy First I thought you were being condescending, then I looked at the map, it really did say Pig Iron and then I had to look up what that was, boy do I feel silly!  Also, drat, is Belgium completly propped up by deBeers or what is going on ?
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skipThings posted:First I thought you were being condescending, then I looked at the map, it really did say Pig Iron and then I had to look up what that was, boy do I feel silly!
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skipThings posted:Also, drat, is Belgium completly propped up by deBeers or what is going on ?
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