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Arglebargle III posted:Oh dear the Ch'onma command tank is a terrible command tank because it has 1 top armor. It's literally as fragile to cluster bombs as any 120 point APC command. Take the ZTZ-59 command tank instead if you want a command tank. Infidelicious posted:What are these "cluster" bombs you speak of? Speaking of Cluster bombs: 1) Since you need AP 10 to one-shot armor 1, and most cluster bombs don't have AP 10, the Ch'oma should generally survive a cluster bomb attack. Or do cluster bombers score multiple hits on a single target? I had always thought cluster bombers were an area-of-effect single AP X hit in the area of their visual blast, but I could be wrong. 2) The Swedish Viggen has AP 10 cluster bombs. It will therefore one-shot a Ch'oma. Swedish decks are sadly diminished compared to AirLand Batle, but they can take 6 cluster bombing Viggens. It's pretty  EDIT: On an unrelated note : FlyingCowOfDoom posted:This may have already been said, I know they had RUSE, but I really feel that a WW2 era game has to be in the pipe somewhere. This engine feels like it would fit perfectly especially with what they have learned making titles since. Dave47 fucked around with this message at 23:02 on May 15, 2014 |
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Dave47 posted:Speaking of Cluster bombs: Most cluster bombs come in a package of 4 to 6. The most common configuration seems to be four AP 5 cluster bombs. I'm not sure how their damage calculation works but in testing that reliably kills all top armor one vehicles. Better cluster bombers will have more bomb or better AP. For example you would have to do the math on whether 6 AP 6 bombs or 2 AP 10 bombs are better. Cluster bombs' glory days are behind them but they still kill top armor 1 and 2 okay. And they don't have a chance to miss like AGMs.
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Based on my experiments with the ATACMS There seems to be some damage drop-off from the center of the "burst" (I don't know if it goes all the way to 0, or more like the edges do 1/2 the damage of the center). Provided you have good targeting or are aiming at a focused area, 2x10 is going to be better, but the overlap from 4x6 will provide pretty reliable damage. e: Wait, could the DDR/Czech armies be getting the Oka? If the Eastern Bloc countries got cheap cluster artillery, that could be pretty hilarious. Hubis fucked around with this message at 00:05 on May 16, 2014 |
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Hubis posted:Based on my experiments with the ATACMS There seems to be some damage drop-off from the center of the "burst" (I don't know if it goes all the way to 0, or more like the edges do 1/2 the damage of the center). Provided you have good targeting or are aiming at a focused area, 2x10 is going to be better, but the overlap from 4x6 will provide pretty reliable damage. I don't know of any 4x6 bombers, I was thinking of the Mirage F1CT which is 6x6.
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Are cluster bombers really that much weaker from ALB? I've not gotten to play a whole lot and when I use bombers they tend to be in groups to spread the damage they take around and prevent losses, so I've never really noticed them being that much worse.
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Cluster bombers with tight patterns are not noticeably weaker except against the heaviest targets. Cluster bombers with wide patterns are very noticeably weaker. I wouldn't trust an F-111F Aardvark to kill a column of T-55s any more. Panic reduce to 2-3 HP but not kill.
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May 16, 2014 00:23
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Check the spreadsheet for cluster damage. Also no Oka or other TBMs. Only NATO can get the good toys you know 
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Is the MIG-29 with clusters still the top choice for Soviet clusters, or is the newish -25 variant with six bombs good? Haven't had the chance to play much in the last few weeks, hopefully I'll get more time next week.
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MIG 25Ribbit has 2 more bombs MIG 29M has radar missiles. I don't know I haven't really used cluster bombers since the bomb pattern change. The ribbit's problem was the pattern before.
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Xerxes17 posted:Check the spreadsheet for cluster damage. I don't think it says the damage calculation for cluster munitions though and it doesn't have pattern, which is so important because you need overlap to kill anything. What is a tbm. Thermobaric?
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OctaMurk posted:Gonna be That Guy but more Abrams is a definite buff and I have actually run out of 5 cards of Abrams in games before, and M1A1HA/HC are extremely good cards considering that the only real AT threat you face are AGM planes, which you can fend off with AA/ASFs and good use of cover. The Abrams horde presenting a half dozen or more tanks with 20+ AV backed up by a dozen with 17AV is actually pretty hard to deal with. The only game I have ever run out of Abrams was that time you were playing Japan and we pummeled Pimpmust because he was playing North Korea and all he had was Fleyta Hinds plinking at a horde of ~30 medium/heavy tanks. e: come to think of it, it was probably at least 40. Honestly, the argument "well, this allows you to buy 5000 points of Abrams instead of 3000" rings a little hollow to me. This thread has been lamenting the decline of tanks for all 41 pages. Arglebargle III posted:I don't think it says the damage calculation for cluster munitions though and it doesn't have pattern, which is so important because you need overlap to kill anything. What is a tbm. Thermobaric? Theater ballistic missile. Xerxes is apparently unhappy that superweapons aren't mirrored across factions or whatever. Mortabis fucked around with this message at 00:56 on May 16, 2014 |
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Mortabis posted:
Speaking of which, did anything ever come of Xerxes/Shan's tank re-balance megathread?
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What sucks is they nerfed the poo poo out of Haebyung 90 availability, rip my 42 units of veteran 15 man squads with PzF 3s.
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RoyalScion posted:What sucks is they nerfed the poo poo out of Haebyung 90 availability, rip my 42 units of veteran 15 man squads with PzF 3s. Massive amounts of PzF 3 havers is for Germany only. Geez, why can't you let germany have this one thing, they're barely viable compared to South Korea. ./forums
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RoyalScion posted:What sucks is they nerfed the poo poo out of Haebyung 90 availability, rip my 42 units of veteran 15 man squads with PzF 3s. Really? There goes my SK/Blue Dragons decks.
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Is anyone else unable to log into their account in the red dragon client?
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TsarZiedonis posted:Speaking of which, did anything ever come of Xerxes/Shan's tank re-balance megathread? MadMat said they are discussing possible changes, but they haven't change anything yet.
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OctaMurk posted:This patch was actually a huge nerf to USSR, in that I can now only have one card of BRDM-3s arrgh my brdm-3 backbone!!
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Mortabis posted:You could already get more Abrams than you could ever reasonably want. Just like real life.
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Chantilly Say posted:Is the MIG-29 with clusters still the top choice for Soviet clusters, or is the newish -25 variant with six bombs good? Mig-29 is the go to. The tighter cluster pattern, 40% ecm AND medium stealth, fast and R-77s! Oh also it turns much tighter which is important for evacing and not flying over enemy airspace (also dogfighting I guess) The Mig-25RBT is a decent choice for a cat-a/b cluster bomber though.
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e: never mind, random deck generator is in the op!
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 Any fix for this? started happening last patch
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Arglebargle III posted:
I'm unable to discuss previous missions with you, sir.
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Malus posted:I'm unable to discuss previous missions with you, sir. Let's hope you don't have any air defense. 
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Dave47 posted:I don't know. The Wargame engine is not particularly good at infantry interactions, and, as mentioned, doesn't support important stuff like towed weapons.
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Mortabis posted:Let's hope you don't have any air defense. The captain and it's crew welcome you aboard. Even if it's a single seat plane. 
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Dandywalken posted:Which Chinese line is the WoT meme? And any way for an English translation? I figure some people may get a kick out of learning that :P Apparently it's 59下山了，弟兄们，一起杀! according to Brother Pedro. It means "59 has come down the mountain, brothers, kill together!" I don't really get it. I went on baidu to check what the heck 59下山了 is supposed to mean and found someone on the baidu forums saying that it's a PLA code phrase for "attack." Now that Brother Pedro says it's a WoT thing I have no idea what to think. It's not like some Chinese guy on a forum is a great source. Also Brother Pedro posted that in traditional Chinese characters which prompted my crack about imperialist running dogs. The Communists simplified the character set after the split with Taiwan.
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Arglebargle III posted:Apparently it's It might be 兄弟 instead of 弟兄, can't remember right now. I didn't really look that deep into it, but from what I read, at release the Type 59 in WOT was very OP so you had games with entire team with nothing but Type 59 (or maybe it's just high anticipation + Chinese nationalism), and some popular streamer on Chinese equivalent of youtube titled a video along the line of 59下山了 something something and makes jokes about 59 doing various things the whole video and it became a meme.
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Isn't "the tiger descending a mountain" a martial arts form or something? The phrase seems familiar for some reason.
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pedro0930 posted:It might be 兄弟 instead of 弟兄, can't remember right now. I didn't really look that deep into it, but from what I read, at release the Type 59 in WOT was very OP so you had games with entire team with nothing but Type 59 (or maybe it's just high anticipation + Chinese nationalism), and some popular streamer on Chinese equivalent of youtube titled a video along the line of 59下山了 something something and makes jokes about 59 doing various things the whole video and it became a meme. Haha you're right I just blew right over that and read it as 兄弟.
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Lol first baidu autocomplete result for 下山了 is 59下山了 and search turns up mostly Chinese gaming forums... complaining that the Type 59 is OP. And the first autocomplete result for 59下山了 is 59下山了什么意思 which means "what does 59 came down the mountain mean?" so clearly the Chinese internet is just as confused about WoT memes as we are. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 10:26 on May 16, 2014 |
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A few weeks ago I asked the Chinese marshal and yes it's a WoT meme. There's a few more others like that too.
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Stevefin posted:
When this happened to me it was norton being a dick about wargame.
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Mr Teatime posted:When this happened to me it was norton being a dick about wargame. Well norton is terrible and you should feel terrible for even using it  ....I use AVG though. never given me any issues with games
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 Found this while reading some completely unrelated things. Apparently Chinese political cartoonists are just as terrible as American cartoonists at drawing a goddamn gun. Check out the gas piston.  Alternative joke: "Quick, take my pen! I need to adjust my literature goggles!" Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 12:22 on May 16, 2014 |
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Deckchat: I've tried building things with Blue Dragons and am not entirely sure what I am doing. This is my current unspecialised BD deck:
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Magni posted:Deckchat: I've tried building things with Blue Dragons and am not entirely sure what I am doing. This is my current unspecialised BD deck: Looks mostly fine to me. Although do you really need 2 cards of AA guns? I would replace one card for something else, maybe a card of Closed Arrow (Japanese Avenger). While TAN-SAM has good range, it has low rate of fire and mediocre accuracy. Some Avenger or I-HAWK would help you shoot down planes better.
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Magni posted:Deckchat: I've tried building things with Blue Dragons and am not entirely sure what I am doing. This is my current unspecialised BD deck: Personally, I would take 2 cards of the KF-16C Block 52D (ugh, WHY EUGEN?). The integrated SEAD is worth 10 points, and ideally you should bring as much of it as you can because it's one of the best things Blue Dragon (and BLUFOR) has going for it. Let your team-mates fill in some ASF if you really need more fighters. I've also had pretty good results with the SK F-4's with Mavericks in an AT role, although I've been using SK national where you get 3-per-card. Also the F-86 is kind of underwhelming -- Napalm isn't nearly as effective in RD as it was in ALB, and the F-86 only has two bombs, so you don't even get good coverage. If you want Napalm I'd go for the F-5 instead. You are making a mistake not bringing the South Korean M36 in the VEH tab. A 10-point vehicle with HE3 at 10rpm is an amazing thing to have. I'd go "BIH0 + CLOSE Arrow + I-HAWK" for air-defense. Also, consider whether you need both the K55 AND the 203SP -- you might be able to replace the K55 with mortars instead, or drop the 203 if you don't use it as much as you anticipate.
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I present to you: The tank meta. A swarm of SEAD wiped out all the AA that was supposed to be shielding this tank push. Also: I strongly suspect the armory is lying about this: Could any of our Wargame gurus take a look at that? Did some testing with nice 5x5 grids of reservists spaced at 100-120 meters,  and while I can't speak to the HE power the splash on the FAB 1000 is way bigger.
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Arglebargle III posted:
From last page, I dug out the replay. http://alb-replays.info/rdbeta/php/api.php?download=419
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