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Mehuyael posted:This gun talk is pretty interesting, because I have an idea for a campaign that was originally based on generic D&D trappings, where dragons rule the world, and the players along the campaign help develop stable firearms which finally give the humanoid races a way to fight off their oppressors, which are generally resistant to magic and such. The last time I included flintlocks and muskets in a "traditional" fantasy setting, I ruled that the main component of the powder was dragon dung (able to be enchanted to add that dragon's breath weapon type to damage). It caused a massive industry to grow around dragons, with nations paying tribute to local wyrms in exchange for waste removal contracts.
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May 16, 2014 04:29
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I think the point I'm really trying to make is that you shouldn't just drop firearms into a game without considering the effect they'd have on the world. Firearms had a profound effect on warfare in real life, and the same should be true to at least some extent in game worlds.
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May 16, 2014 05:06
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Without going into detail, is a PC still an orphan if a necromancer raises their parents as undead monstrosities?
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May 16, 2014 15:58
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Yes, but only until they die.
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May 16, 2014 16:12
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What, from a hypothetical legal standpoint? Would probably depend on the type of undead beastie they were. If they're just zombies then they're unthinking tools made out of their corpses. It would be like someone not being an orphan because their parent's body was donated to science and used as a surgical training tool. Now, if they were willingly re-raised as liches, that would be more complicated.
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May 16, 2014 16:33
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Heroes get hired by new-raised vampire; her children have distributed her belongings according to her will, and she hires the PCs to build a legal case that she should get them back. I'd play it.
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May 16, 2014 16:39
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Or the PC's are hired to steal it all back. I'd play it.
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May 16, 2014 16:59
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Beardless posted:...Yes it is? I mean, we may be using different definitions of High Fantasy, but D&D definitely fits. I don't know where you're from, but dragons and elves and magic aren't really mundane to me. It's kind of the definition of fantasy.
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May 16, 2014 17:36
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On the topic of gun chat someone I knew wished to post their thoughts on this and I feel like backing him: A non-goon posted:Wizards can already make pewpew laser blasts and explosions from their fingers. What if a gun in a fantasy world is really just a preserved wizard hand in a casing? That explains their rarity, their power, their constant misfiring and adds a whole new dimension to the phrase "pull my finger".
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May 16, 2014 17:46
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petrol blue posted:Heroes get hired by new-raised vampire; her children have distributed her belongings according to her will, and she hires the PCs to build a legal case that she should get them back. New prestiege class - Human Wights Advocate. CobiWann fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Jan 20, 2015 |
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May 16, 2014 18:19
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Unknown Quantity posted:On the topic of gun chat someone I knew wished to post their thoughts on this and I feel like backing him: This is almost exactly what they do in the Laundry Files novels. They have the traditional "Hand of Glory" which makes you invisible, but a modified version which goes pewpew (the explanation is something like: regular HoG does weird light trickery to hide you, so let's put a focusing mirror on it and make that light into a laser). They also have cameras wired up to artificial neural nets which replicate the neural circuits of basilisks, allowing Britain's CCTV network to act as a self-defense system when the Great Old Ones return from beyond the stars. drat, I really need to find people to play the Laundry RPG.
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May 16, 2014 18:50
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I think it's important to mention that the Gunslinger and all the other 'base classes' from the Advanced Player's Guide are given with the note of something like "we encourage you to let your players use these but would understand if you disallowed any or all of them." It's still Golarion without Pokémon, flintlocks, and laughter as game mechanics.
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May 16, 2014 19:50
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CobiWann posted:New prestiege class - Human Wights Advocate. I would play this and spout slogans like "Just because we are undead, does not mean we have unrights."
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May 16, 2014 23:00
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That reminds me of an exchange I saw in a comic once. A magical cop is fighting some tentacled horror and calls for backup, the backup being a big dude in swat armor. The backup hands the cop a gun and charges at the monster saying to be careful because good parts are hard to find. The cops asks him "Zombie?" And he replies "I prefer the term Undead American."
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May 16, 2014 23:13
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petrol blue posted:she hires the PCs to build a legal case that she should get them back. SpookyLizard posted:Or the PC's are hired to steal it all back. All of the above. Half of the team takes to the courts to legally regain the property, the other half takes to the streets to illegally get it back. if either succeed, awesome. Whoever succeeds or fails first makes the other's checks harder. If both fail, vampire lady gets sued, and is super pissed at the party. If both succeed, vampire sues for the value of the stolen property, and gives the PCs a bonus!
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May 16, 2014 23:54
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Error 404 posted:That reminds me of an exchange I saw in a comic once. Which comic was this?
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May 17, 2014 00:06
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Captain Bravo posted:All of the above. Half of the team takes to the courts to legally regain the property, the other half takes to the streets to illegally get it back. if either succeed, awesome. Whoever succeeds or fails first makes the other's checks harder. If both fail, vampire lady gets sued, and is super pissed at the party. If both succeed, vampire sues for the value of the stolen property, and gives the PCs a bonus! The party collect depositions from two different gods - both of whom the court considers infallible - stating that each side of the conflict is correct. This results in the calling of a third (trickster) god, who through creative language declares that the court itself is paradoxical and can no longer refer to any of its previous rulings when it decides on any given case. The party are paid a massive sum by various factions who seek to destabilise the local legal situation, and the trickster god grants them a boon for "good times".
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May 17, 2014 00:21
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In a similar vein, I have an idea in a text file somewhere where a fifty-year-old prince is mad as hell about the succession he got shafted on because his father the king got turned into a vampire and still looks to be in his mid-20s.
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May 17, 2014 07:51
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Dareon posted:In a similar vein, I have an idea in a text file somewhere where a fifty-year-old prince is mad as hell about the succession he got shafted on because his father the king got turned into a vampire and still looks to be in his mid-20s. I remember in Warhammer Fantasy this is literally the only reason the Not-Russians of Kislev actually overthrew their vampire Tsarina; she was doing a fine job and no-one really minded her ruling until someone pointed out she wasn't going to die of old age and thus no-one else would ever get to be Tsar, so, well, rebellion time.
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May 17, 2014 07:54
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That's the current state of the nation of Karrnath in Eberron right now except no one actually knows it. King Kaius the III is actually King Kaius the I, but he's a vampire so he looks just like his grandson did except a little paler. Kaius the II is dead and the real Kaius the III is Man in the Iron Masked off somewhere. He sent the rest of his 'siblings' off to live with relatives in other nations so no one will catch wise.
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May 17, 2014 08:09
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This thread has entertained me a lot, and I've decided I should share a few memorable stories from my own sessions. I'm going to start with some stories about All Flesh Must Be Eaten. We occasionally play one-offs when I take a break from my GM duties. This story features Michael as the GM, me playing a ganger, Ike playing a reporter who was actually an undercover cop, and Sven playing an angsty teen who was a potential school shooter. My character had the weakness of being a showoff, so despite having no skills with firearms I hoarded all the guns we found. This led to a horrible situation, when our characters were searching through a shed on the outskirts of a city. One of us (can't remember but I'm guessing me, I wasn't a careful character) found a zombie hiding under a tarp. My character was dual-wielding a pistol and a shotgun and immediately took a shot at the zombie. GM: You're going to get a penalty for dual-wielding. Me: Yeah, I don't have any firearms skills. GM: Then you're going to get a huge penalty. Sven and Ike: Why the gently caress do you have all the guns?! Me: 'Cause I'm cool. Then I proceeded to fumble my shooting rolls, and accidentally shot Ike in the back, and Sven in the stomach and leg, killing both of them. The zombie was fine. The GM threw more zombies into the fray, but Ike and Sven lost their interest and went outside to play hackysack. With noone to show off to, my character switched to the weapons he was actually skilled in, a pair of knives and a few minutes later I joined Ike and Sven outside, shouting "Guys! Still alive!" GM ruled that my ganger eventually turned from the bite he had gotten in the fight, and I was fine with this. The next time we played AFMBE (maybe six months or a year later) my zombified ganger did make a brief cameo. I was playing a serial killer on the run, Ike was playing a porn star and I can't remember what Sven was playing. It's been a few years, but were going to be running another zombie-adventure soon. Michael as the GM made a ruling we need to make characters that have some sort of mutual history and are ready to cooperate. Me and Sven are probably making a Luchadore tag team.
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The undead American line was from a comic book called O.C.T. Occult crimes taskforce. Made by image comics. Not sure which comic because mine is the collection of 1-4. I'd like to mention that almost every module I've heard of which punts AD&D adventurers into our world "21st century" tends to have only one result for people in armor and wizards throwing fireballs versus cops. They die. Same goes for any paladin who decides to charge a semi on the highway. As for why guns should not be included... Well game wise it reduces the specialness of the characters. Wizards spend years studying, fighters years training etc. A solider can pick up a gun and be trained to being proficient, like in our real world, in a manner of days. Magic weapons take time, money and valuable wizard exp to create. Technological weapons, comparatively, can be made quickly, cheaply and doesn't rip experience out of the creator. On a final note there are systems which do have magic and technology co-existing and even cooperating to some pretty interesting ends. D20 modern is the closest thing you can get ad&d wise.
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Kinfolk910 posted:The undead American line was from a comic book called O.C.T. Occult crimes taskforce. Made by image comics. Not sure which comic because mine is the collection of 1-4.
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May 18, 2014 09:37
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Captain Bravo posted:All of the above. Half of the team takes to the courts to legally regain the property, the other half takes to the streets to illegally get it back. if either succeed, awesome. Whoever succeeds or fails first makes the other's checks harder. If both fail, vampire lady gets sued, and is super pissed at the party. If both succeed, vampire sues for the value of the stolen property, and gives the PCs a bonus! And are then set up for the next one, wherein the PC's have to surreptitiously sabotage the insurance fraud investigator(s). Possibly while also setting the vampire a home security system to protect her newly liberated property.
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SpookyLizard posted:And are then set up for the next one, wherein the PC's have to surreptitiously sabotage the insurance fraud investigator(s). Possibly while also setting the vampire a home security system to protect her newly liberated property. Nothing but pit traps leading into Iron Maidens. Robbers get disposed of and the vampire client gets some good eats.
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So my Fate game continues apace. They get attacked by Void Pirates in coral submarines converted to inter-Fragmentary travel and roll incredibly high, taking out one of the attacking ships in one shot. The other skedaddles, and Umbra inists they rescue the crew of the now-disintegrating ship. Who are all felinoid and hate water, they just have really really bad luck when it comes to hijacking ships. Also they salvage the brain-coral water projector for their own ship to eventually make it amphibious. Finally, finally following up on the artifact that got stolen from them, they end up on Aerodyne, The Gyre, a nigh-weightless space surrounding a three-kilometer long crystal spire. Odrak, the Breaker, goes to buy groceries and ends up being framed by the Shadowguild for Breaking one of the buildings on his way. The building goes crack and starts listing and he freaks out while everyone stares at him quizzically...because buildings don't collapse on Aerodyne. It just sort of lists sideways and floats. Meanwhile Umbra goes to find a creepy raptor lady (Aerodyne is populated by bird people, obviously) to help her with her random-dimensional-shifting issues, and has to navigate Escher's version of the Winchester Mystery House in order to find her potential mentor while the raptor's voice banters at here from nowhere. Of course when Umbra finds her is sitting on a rocking chair and knitting, despite being a veteran assassin who can literally walk through walls and possibly may even be able to move through time. And she's originally from the Brigadoon Fragment because I was tired that day. Lawton tracks down Hawk's location, who was the last person to have the artifact after they were captured many sessions ago, and has to chase him through the Aerodyne using a hoverbelt since he doesn't have wings. During the chase he uses Miriabelle to give him a boost, and ends with a shovelbazooka Mjollnir hauling him through the air. At this point Umbra pops out of nowhere (thanks to dimensional travel lady) and divebombs Hawk hard enough to smack him into the pursuing Lawton, managing to cuff him just before impact. Then she leaves Lawton to go haul Odrak back since, after posting bail, he's grumpy and can't get his fly-belt to work right and is upside-down. So coming to the ship from one direction you have Lawton with an ominously humming shovelbazooka trying to make small talk with a very upset Hawk, and from the other direction a three-foot dragon towing a six-foot man. Then they find out the artifact is in board that ship there that is just leaving now. So next week is ship to ship chase and combat and possibly swashing and buckling.
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Writer Cath posted:Nothing but pit traps leading into Iron Maidens. Robbers get disposed of and the vampire client gets some good eats. Well she might not want her children to be murdered and filling up her winecask, greedy shits though they may be. And dead insurance investigators will only raise more questions.
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May 19, 2014 00:05
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SpookyLizard posted:Well she might not want her children to be murdered and filling up her winecask, greedy shits though they may be. And dead insurance investigators will only raise more questions. Set them up with optional spikes. Once the thing closes, the spikes can be engaged at will.
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May 19, 2014 03:21
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Like some sort of vampiric slapchop? 
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May 19, 2014 04:46
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Hey i'm just suggesting, y'know, creativity. Ideally of the Rube Goldberg kind.
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SpookyLizard posted:Hey i'm just suggesting, y'know, creativity. Ideally of the Rube Goldberg kind. Now I need to see if there's a way to convert Mousetrap into a D&D Dungeon.
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Writer Cath posted:Now I need to see if there's a way to convert Mousetrap into a D&D Dungeon. Watch The Cube, use that for your plan. Soak up the tears.
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So last night my group played FATE for the first time, after some initial character creation last session. It was just a one-off, but it's definitely convinced them that systems other than 3.5, Pathfinder, 4E and World of Darkness are viable. So of course first we do setting generation and come up with a setting best described as 'Firefly, but with steam-technology and also sapient robots'. Also Earth has a crippling tin shortage. We had a goon(Edward_Tohr) playing a tinsmith-cum-mad-scientist who had managed to get himself mixed up in a Mars Rebellion plot to raid President Barack Obama XV of the Planetary Union's secret tin mines. A mech pilot(J) notable for driving four-legged mechs "like some kind of lovely Zoids character" whom was there to help get The clockwork robot lady/rebellion spy(R) out of there, as she had caught on to the President's Dirty Secret(he's a robot in disguise!) and had to flee. They were all saved at the last minute by a one-eyed one-handed engineer in a Union fighter(B). The party promptly escaped to The Moon(as in Earth's moon) after a harrowing space-escape battle, only to land at what was described as "A hive of scum and villainry. You know, like that place in Star Wars." 'You mean Mos Eisley?' "Uh, sure." and promptly sign J up for a mech tournament. Tohr's character proceeds to soup J's mech up(Succeeding with style and creating the SUPER-CHARGE!! aspect for J's mecha-cow's 'Hyper Moo Laser Cannon') whilst B ran off to go sabotage the other mechs to give J a better chance of winning. He barely fails his roll, Succeeding At Minor Cost, and one of the pilots comes in! The pilot of the first mech J has to face, 'The Eviscerator'. B starts to panic, and tries to bluff himself out of the situation. Pilot botches. B succeeds with style and smoothly explains he saw a panel sitting loose and was simply tightening it and cleaning things up. The pilot is surprised and pleased, and gives B a tip! Meanwhile, R is in the nearby bar wheeling and dealing with bookies. She pulls some poo poo right out of the Darth Maul(Ep 1?) movie, wagering the ship against a giant pile of cash in the upcoming mech battle, and even convinces the guy to place a teeny-tiny 'insult bet' on J. The battle begins, J immediately pops a Fate Point to activate his 'SUPER-CHARGE!!' and use his '360 No-Scope 420' stunt to Shoot the Eviscerator. He got a total of +11, right off the ladder. Turns out all that sabotage was for nothing when the hyper-charged laser cannon eradicates the opposing mech, and most of the stands behind it, too. R is taunting the guy she just won the bet over, who is about to off himself with his own laser pistol, as he'd bet his entire life's savings on that fight. I ask her if she wants to stop him, she declares a compel of one of her Aspects(Heart of Iron), I give her the Fate Point. Then she describes how she hands him his pity bet with a sneer and helps him pull the trigger. The gunfire startles the rest of the bar, starting a straight-up shootout as someone thinks the bookie is being robbed. R meanwhile, calmly passes a Stealth roll to walk out of the bar with suitcase in hand, just as everyone else leaves their respective arena/mech bay/stadium areas. The bar explodes. I think we'll be doing FATE again next time I DM. 
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Last night’s “7th Sea” adventure saw the awarding of XP, and our group’s “Paladin,” a Vodacce Swordsman with the Faith Advantage and a holy sword that glows blue in the face of evil and gives him a limited number of “Faith Dice” to spend on extra actions, decided to up his Rituals knack. Paladin - “I’m going to up my Rituals from 2 to 3. That should help if we have to perform any more impromptu exorcisms.” Fop – “So what does that mean in game terms?” Paladin – “I figured at level 3, I can just lay the flat of my blade against someone to cast out a demon. At level 2, I have to beat them with it to cast out demons. Level 1? I have to stab the evil out of them.” Fop – “Maybe at level 5, you can shoot the evil out of them.” Paladin – “What, carve little crosses on a bullet before I shoot them?” Pause. Paladin – “Hey, can you make hollow point musket balls?” Sadly, the GM said we couldn’t, but my character, the Professor, is now going to talk with the Jeweler’s Guild to see if we can drill a tiny hole in a musket ball and fill it with holy water/rock salt, and the Fop is designing a “demon hunting” dress where the bottom hemline of her skirt is a complete circle of rock salt or blessed silver.
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Sadly, the GM said we couldn’t, but my character, the Professor, is now going to talk with the Jeweler’s Guild to see if we can drill a tiny hole in a musket ball and fill it with holy water/rock salt, and the Fop is designing a “demon hunting” dress where the bottom hemline of her skirt is a complete circle of rock salt or blessed silver. Best idea ever 
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bathroomrage posted:So of course first we do setting generation and come up with a setting best described as 'Firefly, but with steam-technology and also sapient robots'. Also Earth has a crippling tin shortage. I really hope that's not a typo and you actually had hordes of robot monkeys. Edit: god I'm an idiot, it's Simian for monkeys...
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CobiWann posted:Sadly, the GM said we couldn’t, but my character, the Professor, is now going to talk with the Jeweler’s Guild to see if we can drill a tiny hole in a musket ball and fill it with holy water/rock salt, and the Fop is designing a “demon hunting” dress where the bottom hemline of her skirt is a complete circle of rock salt or blessed silver. That should also cut back on the demonic subway perverts as well.
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Nissir posted:Sadly, the GM said we couldn’t, but my character, the Professor, is now going to talk with the Jeweler’s Guild to see if we can drill a tiny hole in a musket ball and fill it with holy water/rock salt, and the Fop is designing a “demon hunting” dress where the bottom hemline of her skirt is a complete circle of rock salt or blessed silver. Reminds me vaguely of the Psion Noble we had who once killed three monsters from full in one hit because they broke her shoes. To be fair, they were very nice shoes.
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