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I was just going to mention Dracula's video mode. They also have a risk/reward for letting the wolves get closer, so it's a little more interesting than just blasting everything on screen.
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Niwrad posted:Hot Shot is a really good EM table. Why would you feel dumb for picking it up? Once I get it back together and working I'll have some pics. Casnorf fucked around with this message at 19:07 on May 16, 2014 |
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May 16, 2014 18:03
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I have never bumped/nudged/tilted a real-world pinball table, and I feel guilty when I do it in video games (I've recently started getting over it -- I've gotten waaay better in TPA as a result). Partly I feel guilty because it seems like cheating, and partly I feel guilty about doing it in the real world because it seems like it would add a lot of wear and tear to the machines. People who own/maintain pinball machines: does "nudging" hurt the machines?
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May 16, 2014 18:06
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Its not cheating, tons of games expect you to do it. Centaur, for example. But Im always overly careful on real tables, its not cheap to fix them.
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May 16, 2014 18:14
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Don't try to toss it across the room like that PAPA video but pushing it around a bit is part of the experience. If you weren't supposed to do it the tilt system would be much more restrictive.
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May 16, 2014 18:27
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It doesn't hurt the machine really unless you're a 3-400 lb. dude putting all of your weight on it when you nudge. You could bend the legs over time, but that's about it usually unless you're just pounding and slamming on it. A good thing to keep in mind though about real nudging is that it's a lot harder to do than in video pinball. You kind of have to stiffen up your arms and lean to either side (or forwards/backwards) to really get it to move any significant amount. Pull with your shoulders and body and not so much your arms. I guess it'd be kind of like leaning on a motorcycle, since they're similar sizes and weights.
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May 16, 2014 18:39
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Casnorf posted:I got married two weeks ago and live in a fourth floor walk up, haha. You will want to buy an appliance dolly. I carried one pin up (with the legs on) up 3 flights in my apartment. Never again.
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May 16, 2014 19:29
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Slap shots are also a good physical technique that save your rear end a lot. One of the Twilight Zones at a bar here is rested on metal feet with silicon pads which all stands on a polished concrete floor. Seeing that machine slide a foot to the left or right is pretty common and if you're good, will only net you a single danger.
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May 16, 2014 19:33
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Does the Junkyard version of the AFM video mode give you a smart bomb? Didn't seem to for me.
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May 16, 2014 21:04
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802.11weed posted:Hot drat those are neat. How big are they? I can totally see myself buying one to put on my desk. They vary in size a lot, and the biggest one is only about 5" tall (a little under 5" long front to back): 
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May 16, 2014 22:09
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So I'm at Pin-a-Go-Go. Its rather nice. Got a question for pin gurus; is there something special about Gottlieb's Spirit? For some reason there are 5 of them lined up here.  I'm also taking pictures with my camera, hopefully they turn out better than the PPM set did. Galaga Galaxian fucked around with this message at 22:54 on May 16, 2014 |
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May 16, 2014 22:51
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prefect posted:I have never bumped/nudged/tilted a real-world pinball table, and I feel guilty when I do it in video games (I've recently started getting over it -- I've gotten waaay better in TPA as a result). Partly I feel guilty because it seems like cheating, and partly I feel guilty about doing it in the real world because it seems like it would add a lot of wear and tear to the machines. No way, they expect you to shove the machine around while you're playing it. That's why you get two warnings before a tilt on most tables. Slam tilts and bang backs are what they don't like because they can damage switches and other parts.
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May 16, 2014 23:05
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A maintained pinball machine is pretty drat sturdy. Unless you lift things for a living you'll be fine, as long as the tilt mechanism works. I'm not too gentle with my own machines but when I'm playing someone else's, I go easy. Some people take the tilts off of their machines, too. I wouldn't dare nudge on old woodrails etc either.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:So I'm at Pin-a-Go-Go. Its rather nice. It's incredibly rare. Not sure why that guy brought along 5 (he was posting on pinside about it) but they're beautiful looking machines. I wanted one just because of how neat they look until I saw that they command $5-$7k. No thanks.
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DevCore posted:Slap shots are also a good physical technique that save your rear end a lot. We've been slowly destroying the floor of a local restaurant by shoving pinball tables all over it. It's fun! edit: 
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May 17, 2014 00:49
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prefect posted:From what I've been able to find, it looks like pinballs are generally one and one-sixteenth inches in diameter, and made of (I think) polished steel. The powerball in Twilight Zone is ceramic -- are there any other games with unusual ball sizes or materials? The old bingos, which are EM and have no flippers so are only kind of pins, use bigger balls. I'm not fully sure why, unless there just wasn't a standard size them. I love these machines, although they're practically worthless in terms of what you can sell one for. They're kind of like horizontal pachinkos, where you get a certain number of balls, and they fall into holes in the playfield that are numbered. They are beautiful in terms of the logic they pull off with pure relays and switches. Imagine trying to build a machine that can tell if you've made a line on a bingo card, without using a single transistor.  I got one for my Dad, and it actually throws off sparks in the backbox. In regards to tilting, by the way, please don't put your drink on the glass and then try to manipulate the machine. The beer seals only go so far, and you can never quite get the cabinet floor unsticky again. Domus fucked around with this message at 01:58 on May 17, 2014 |
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May 17, 2014 01:48
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Domus posted:In regards to tilting, by the way, please don't put your drink on the glass and then try to manipulate the machine. The beer seals only go so far, and you can never quite get the cabinet floor unsticky again. Just don't put your drink on the glass period. That's what the floor next to the table is for. Whenever I see people do that, I want to ask if they were raised in a barn.
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May 17, 2014 01:51
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I think it's natural. You need two free hands to play, and it looks like a flat enough surface...but it's not. And on the floor, someone will kick the drink over. Proper bars should put up a little table next to or between the pins. Edit: Just remembered, there was a game called Goldball in the 80's that had a gold ball as the second ball for multi-ball. Black rose was supposed to have black balls like cannonballs, but the extra expense was too much. Domus fucked around with this message at 02:03 on May 17, 2014 |
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May 17, 2014 02:00
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Domus posted:Black rose was supposed to have black balls like cannonballs, but the extra expense was too much. They're more like gun metal gray than black. Hercules does not use a pool cue ball, it just looks like one and it's a different size. Hercules loving sucks though.I believe the arcade at Cedar Pointe in Sandusky Ohio still has one.
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May 17, 2014 03:44
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JumpinJackFlash posted:They're more like gun metal gray than black. It plays like poo poo but man if it doesn't put a big stupid grin on my face.
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prefect posted:From what I've been able to find, it looks like pinballs are generally one and one-sixteenth inches in diameter, and made of (I think) polished steel. The powerball in Twilight Zone is ceramic -- are there any other games with unusual ball sizes or materials? http://www.pbresource.com/Balls.html http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/PFLD-PINBALLS
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How to get to Valinor in LotR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9PnCwcYPwY You can skip ahead to the last five minutes or so, but you miss the full impact of the sound of a mans soul being crushed.
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prefect posted:From what I've been able to find, it looks like pinballs are generally one and one-sixteenth inches in diameter, and made of (I think) polished steel. The powerball in Twilight Zone is ceramic -- are there any other games with unusual ball sizes or materials? 
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Bovineicide posted:You can skip ahead to the last five minutes or so, but you miss the full impact of the sound of a mans soul being crushed. I watched the whole thing, and my god I heard it was hard to get to but I didn't know it was that hard. The player's increasingly loud sighs when he misses a shot is awesome too.
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Beatnik-Filmstar posted:Does the Junkyard version of the AFM video mode give you a smart bomb? Didn't seem to for me. Nope, no Bombs. Makes it that much harder  I have not seen Mamushka yet, though.
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Beatnik-Filmstar posted:Does the Junkyard version of the AFM video mode give you a smart bomb? Didn't seem to for me. There is also a secret time machine mode. When the clock shows 3:33 hit both flipper buttons at the same time to start Secret Mania, which is a nod to Road Show and its hidden Construction Mania mode. Collateral Damage fucked around with this message at 15:03 on May 18, 2014 |
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May 18, 2014 14:59
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Also, it's not super-obvious because of the camera angle, but before you launch the ball you can use the flippers to rotate through which piece of junk in the center of the board is highlighted, allowing you to control which piece you recieve from the "collect junk" skillshot
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Here are some pictures of my new (first!) pinball machine. The cabinet is functional and the backglass is pretty dire, but the machine works well aside from one thing which I'll detail below. The startup cycle is great for scaring the crap out of unsuspecting cats, too.   Now for the fun part. I have a manual and schematic on the way, but I am eager to try and diagnose the one major problem it has: If you score a thousand points on the table (not two five hundreds, oddly) as player one, the thousands reel sticks and doesn't advance until the end of ball bonus. The reel itself doesn't appear to be the problem; the switch labeled "L" (thousands digit, based on observation) in the backbox sticks shut. It's just that it only does it if you run over any thousand-point scores on the table and only on player one, which suggests the problem isn't there, either. I'm not exactly sure where to look next, I must admit.
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Well, it very much could be player one, as every player is scored on its own. EMs very often have problems related to switches that just need a little adjusting. Try seeing what the other player reels do when the 1000 is run over, and adjust your 1000 switch so it's the same as them. It will literally be the switch on the solonoid behind the 1000 digit on the 1st player reel, btw, not any other switch. Edit: 99.99% certainty that it isn't in the body of the machine. Don't mess with stuff in there, as it's very easy to cock stuff up quite badly. Double Edit: Very pretty playfield. Incredibly nice if it's not touched up.
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Domus posted:Very pretty playfield. Incredibly nice if it's not touched up. But gently caress that game with it's magnetic outlanes.
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Like the others said, that playfield looks remarkably clean! How much did that run you, if you don't mind telling? Hot Shot is such fun. I pretty much play a few games of it as warmup every time I start up PBA for a while. That sort of machine is definitely my favorite of the Electromechanicals I've played at Pin-a-go-go and Pacific Pinball Museum. That is, a relatively open playfield with plenty of drop targets for me to work on accurate shooting. [edit] Interesting, the instructions card on that one says its set for 3 balls, while the PBA one is set for 5 balls. Not a major thing, just something I noticed. I wonder if it came factory like that or if someone just adjusted some settings, I'm sure its configurable. Galaga Galaxian fucked around with this message at 03:24 on May 21, 2014 |
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Like the others said, that playfield looks remarkably clean! How much did that run you, if you don't mind telling? Hot Shot is such fun. I pretty much play a few games of it as warmup every time I start up PBA for a while. That sort of machine is definitely my favorite of the Electromechanicals I've played at Pin-a-go-go and Pacific Pinball Museum. That is, a relatively open playfield with plenty of drop targets for me to work on accurate shooting. I'm almost afraid to say how much it cost me, though not so afraid I won't tell the story. A while back, I was telling my now-wife how I'd really like to get a pinball machine, but with how expensive they usually are and the fact of living on a fourth-floor walkup meant that I'd probably have to wait until we were in a better position (which is to say, closer to ground level) before I could get one. There was, of course, one exception, and that'd be Big Shot or Hot Shot. Along comes last week and I see that this little artsy fartsy place that teaches music and is painted bright colors has all their stuff out on the sidewalk. I'm driving by and all I can see is the side art on the machine, and think to myself "You have got to be kidding me." I stop, and take a closer look, and "You have GOT to be kidding me." The only table I said I'd buy, and here it is on the side of the road. "How much for the pinball machine?" "One hundred and fifty dollars."
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$150? Holy poo poo thats nice. I'd go for that. Hopefully refurbishment doesn't cost you too much. Congratulations man.
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May 21, 2014 03:54
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Casnorf posted:"One hundred and fifty dollars."
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Casnorf posted:"One hundred and fifty dollars." The best part about this is, if you get sick of it in a few years, you can probably flip it on ebay for around a thousand.
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Polo-Rican posted:The best part about this is, if you get sick of it in a few years, you can probably flip it on ebay for around a thousand. The backglass box frame needs a bit of TLC too, but that playfield looks really tip top. I'm looking for obvious wear points and I can't see any that would be complete deal breakers. For $150 it's nice the old gal still wakes from her nap. You have a good eye on a good buy, shon! Congrats on your purchase. edit: if you wouldn't mind... snap a shot with the playfield glass removed and as much light as possible. Robnoxious fucked around with this message at 06:28 on May 21, 2014 |
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Robnoxious posted:edit: if you wouldn't mind... snap a shot with the playfield glass removed and as much light as possible. I'm unbelievably jazzed about this machine. I couldn't believe that it worked when I got it home and reassembled.
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Casnorf posted:The new pinballs and documentation come tomorrow; hopefully I can sort out the player one issue and I'll get some further pics then.  I can't wait to read and see about your adventures in pinball ownership. I am envious, I so want to own a pin. My folks were gifted one when I was a tike... Gottlieb's Grand Slam and it sat in our garage. It didn't work right so they gave it to another friend (for all I know it was because of a bet on a football game in the late 70's). They got the game to work where I would play it and from there I caught the pin bug. My folks fell into things like pinball and classic Seeburg jukeboxes but never having any conscious value in mind as to what they were worth they let them slip away at fire sale prices. Either we were very hard up for cash at the time or my parents were idiots. When they let our classic Seeburg jukebox go for around $200 (with a big box full of 45s!) I knew even at a young age that my folks were horrible at establishing value or they just would rather be rid of that "poo poo". There were quite a few rare 78s in that box of vinyl. I even called them out on their blunder. I couldn't have been more than 8 years old. "You sold all of that for $200?!?! What were you thinking?" Robnoxious fucked around with this message at 08:14 on May 21, 2014 |
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Here's the playfield, with and without flash.  I fixed the player one scoring issue! Probably the worst way to do it, with a pair of pliers! The solenoid in the center of the reel mechanism, the one that pulls back to open the normally closed switch underneath it, wasn't opening the switch. So I gently bent the leaf (which was already bent a little for the purposes of letting that solenoid open the switch) a little more and it worked perfectly. Three games in with a new pinball and the only real problems I could find was that the table is canted ever so slightly right (new feet will fix that) and the bonus value light covers are not completely flush...which cost me a good play when a softly hit ball took a hard left off the 3000 light.
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Someone just posted a 6 year old Stern machine on Craigslist for $260. That's either a typo, or it's going to be my first pin  
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