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Thoren posted:Mayuri is a loving villain. It's stupid how they took all the moral ambiguity out of soul society. The guy experimented on innocent grandpas. How do you know Uryuu's grandpa was innocent?  EDIT: Come to think of it, how do we know if Uryuu's grandpa is even still dead? Maybe Mayuri brought him back to life in his lab earlier to get information out of him. I. M. Gei fucked around with this message at 02:26 on May 16, 2014 |
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I still think it wasn't arancar in Szayel's lab. I'm thinking Quincy now.
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May 16, 2014 03:11
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:How do you know Uryuu's grandpa was innocent? Ichigo is Uryuu's grandpa. If you check out ch. 17x...
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May 16, 2014 15:03
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I am working on a Kenpachi painting! http://imgur.com/ECk0DLE
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May 18, 2014 05:44
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May 18, 2014 20:41
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Over in the Naruto thread we're having fun (schadenfreude?) discussing at which moment we gave up on enjoying it and began reading it out of habit. I was wondering at what point people felt the same way about Bleach? For me, there's a bunch of dumb stuff that Kubo did that I hate yet he somehow redeems himself every time. Like Rukia vs As Nodt being an almost 1 to 1 call back to espada eyeguy except Byakuya learns how to not be a jerk to his sister. Wait. The Fullbring "arc". 95 percent garbage aside from ichigo regaining shinigaminess and Byakuya vs Tsukishima.
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May 19, 2014 16:06
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There is no exact moment because Hueco Mundo/Fake Karakura was so loving long and boring I can't remember any of it.
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May 19, 2014 16:26
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Yeah it was more like Hueco Mundo/Fake Karakura dragged on for sooo drat long and was so boring that I just kind of lost all interest. Ichigo random-powerringup before the Aizen fight made me stop caring about anything going on in the story and now it's all just a series of events that happen. Fullbringer arc sucked but I already did not care and it had some moments like loving BORING and the first few chapters. The things that made me COME BACK to Bleach: Juha Bach (until that became YWACH  )Zangetsu = Juha Bach reveal which showed mad foreshadowing. That was pretty impressive. 1000yr Blood War arc moving along at breakneck pace and generally being fun and heavy metal. Kenpachi vs Unohana was a crystalline-pure distillation of the reasons people read Bleach. So to me, Bleach is a series with a great start, great end, and an unfortunate terrible slog in the middle.
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May 19, 2014 16:46
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Yeah, Bleach was mostly a gradual slide into who cares. Largely due to the stupidly bloated cast that all had to do something every arc, dragging things out. The Execution arc was particularly bad, but there wasn't a moment, unlike the long list of Sasuke related things in Naruto, that made you throw your hands up and say gently caress this.
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May 19, 2014 16:55
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Actually there is one thing that made me say gently caress this. But it also kind of came creeping up on you. And that was Aizen being ridiculously strong. Plus his 'I planned everything' schtick. I mean Kubo has made a character that could have been a planning scheming bastard, he could have made a character that with the best ability and with amazing planning and intelligence make it through everything, but nope he went and made him best at everything all the time. Completely throws out the depth and tension from any fight involving him. I mean the fights against him could have been tense and exciting but nope, smug faces, the good-old 'i'm so powerful that nothing works on me, why dodge when I can just stand here take the hit and  ', and 'I planned everything since your birth, no wait I even planned everything before that, actually your whole existence is just according to my plan Ichigo'. Stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid!
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May 19, 2014 17:01
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Kenpachi vs Unohana was that reminder that Kubo got his moment in the sun for a reason. That entire fight was perfection; perfectly orchestrated, beautiful panel composition, a female character actually worth a drat. It was like watching a long lost friend with a bad drinking problem getting his poo poo together before slipping back into old habits.
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May 19, 2014 17:23
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Hueco Mundo(in retrospect the entirety of that) and Fake Karakura, sans the end of FK and some battles. And Fullbringer arc was pretty lovely as well. I think the cancellation of the anime and removal of Bleach from the main spotlight really made Kubo relax. Though that since it's getting good now he seems to be falling into old habits. He's done a mediocre job for so long I'd think it might be hard for him to get out of that rut mindset. He can do great, highly entertaining things and if not for some major, major problems that lasted entirely too long one might call Bleach a perfect shonen series. I don't catch myself rolling my eyes as someone explains their powers/mechanics of the world because they're mostly quite simple, and the swordpressing can get really ridiculous. Which I love. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 19:05 on May 19, 2014 |
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May 19, 2014 19:00
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I still spend three minutes a week reading Bleach, but the last thing I really, truly enjoyed was Ichigo's friends encountering Aizen in the teleported Karakura. Throwing an improvised gas bomb at him was the greatest thing ever. That's what it'll look like if aliens ever invade us.
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May 19, 2014 19:06
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Bleach started going downhill when Orihime started getting more focus, and it started improving after she was relegated back to Chad status, so I blame everything on her. Really though her character was one of the major problems in the entire HM arc, and in the end she ended up doing pretty much nothing that she set out to do.
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May 19, 2014 20:30
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Parrotine posted:Kenpachi vs Unohana was that reminder that Kubo got his moment in the sun for a reason. That entire fight was perfection; perfectly orchestrated, beautiful panel composition, a female character actually worth a drat. It was good, but I still don't think anyone knows exactly what was going on... They turned into skeletons then were alive again. No one knows why.
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May 19, 2014 20:34
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Bisse posted:Actually there is one thing that made me say gently caress this. But it also kind of came creeping up on you. Aizen was full of poo poo. He didn't plan anything involving Ichigo (as far as we know) and most of his other plans flat out failed. Basically, he had the perfect power for a puppetmaster type but he never used it to its full potential. Now, that could be either because he was intentionally written that way or else that Kubo just isn't capable of writing truly complex plots. You have to recall, in the SS arc Aizen's complex plan to seize the hoagie failed. At the end, he just took it via force and then ran the gently caress away when Yama showed up. During turn back the pendulum, he escalated his experiments until a huge task force of captains came out to investigate while he had an alibi. However, everyone he messed with got away knowing that he was behind it. He was still experimenting, so how would he know that vaizards wouldn't eventually become strong enough to challenge him? For the abducting Orihime bit, there was no plan. He wasn't trying to lure Ichigo to HM, split up SS's forces, or even use her power for anything in particular. The only plan that Aizen unquestionably succeeded with was Wonderweiss sealing Yamamoto. Even then, he didn't keep Wonder in reserve or anything. He chucked him out into a bunch of captains and relied on him surviving. I'll grant that Aizen always loving loved smugly gloating as though everything was just as planned, though.
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May 19, 2014 20:51
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Serious Frolicking posted:Aizen was full of poo poo. He didn't plan anything involving Ichigo (as far as we know) and most of his other plans flat out failed. I'm in agreement with this. He didn't plan for Isshin to show up. He didn't plan for Ichigo's mom to show up. He didn't play matchmaker to save her, nor fluffed Isshin to create Ichigo that fateful night they banged it out. He was lucky enough to supply the catalyst(s) to random variables.
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May 19, 2014 22:20
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The best part about Aizen is that people believed him whenever he claimed he planned something.
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May 19, 2014 22:26
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If I hate this one thing in this manga, it's Szayel and his dicksword.
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May 19, 2014 22:46
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Oh come on that was entertaining.
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May 19, 2014 22:48
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hiddenriverninja posted:If I hate this one thing in this manga, it's Szayel and his dicksword. You didn't like Szayel grinning as he slid a long hard object into his mouth and down his throat?
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May 19, 2014 23:04
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BlitzBlast posted:The best part about Aizen is that people believed him whenever he claimed he planned something. One of the worst examples of writing in this manga is that now, years later with nothing riding on it, it's still not clear if he was bullshitting or not.
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May 19, 2014 23:25
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Everything about the Szayel fight was ridiculous, including the length. Ishida and Renji were fighting him off and on for like 40 chapters before Mayuri showed up.
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May 19, 2014 23:34
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If only the Sternritter took that much effort to finally bring down (Or the top three Espada for that matter.) Note that I'm not actually saying I wish every fight in this arc was that length, just that the contrast between the two makes the current ones seem mundane. The Sternritter are dropping so fast I've long since forgotten that there was any kind of actual threat to Soul Society. What a disappointing note to go out on. Probably should have reversed the time spent.
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Zogundar posted:Note that I'm not actually saying I wish every fight in this arc was that length, just that the contrast between the two makes the current ones seem mundane. The Sternritter are dropping so fast I've long since forgotten that there was any kind of actual threat to Soul Society. What a disappointing note to go out on. That's probably related to how there are way too many sternritter, which Kubo probably did because for whatever reason he feels like he needs to give every good guy their time in the spotlight.
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slev posted:That's probably related to how there are way too many sternritter, which Kubo probably did because for whatever reason he feels like he needs to give every good guy their time in the spotlight. Look dude he had a whole alphabet to fill.
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May 20, 2014 00:06
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AnonSpore posted:Look dude he had a whole alphabet to fill. And whose fault is that?
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May 20, 2014 00:16
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The english language. Oh god guys, it's us. We're the reason why Bleach is so bad.
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May 20, 2014 00:44
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At least it's not one sternritter for each hiragana character. edit: Only for it to later be revealed that each has a second form for each corresponding katakana
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May 20, 2014 00:45
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Who ever said the Sternritter are only ordered by the Latin alphabet?
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May 20, 2014 00:51
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Since when were you under the illusion that there were no Sternritters for the lowercase letters?
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May 20, 2014 00:54
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sternritter "l" the lazy
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May 20, 2014 01:01
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Sternritter "a" the aizen, with the power to always be behind you.
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May 20, 2014 01:05
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BlitzBlast posted:The english language. I was more hinting that Kubo chose to do one for every letter of the alphabet but sure we can blame English too!
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Silento posted:sternritter "l" the lazy Until it's revealed he was actually Sternritter Uppercase I the whole time.
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May 20, 2014 01:23
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Serious Frolicking posted:Sternritter "a" the aizen, with the power to always be behind you. And controlling him from behind is Don Flamingo
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May 20, 2014 01:26
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Nilbop posted:One of the worst examples of writing in this manga is that now, years later with nothing riding on it, it's still not clear if he was bullshitting or not. I always figured his obviously contradictory statements made it pretty clear that he was just spewing out bullshit 24/7. The Fullbringer arc was really painful, but overall the series wasn't too bad. If hueco mundo was cut down by like 4 years, I would say the series as a whole was pretty enjoyable.
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May 20, 2014 02:20
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Advice posted:Until it's revealed he was actually Sternritter Uppercase I the whole time. What about the lower-case i? Clearly his power-up will turn it upside down into a ! and he will be the ACTUAL strongest Sternritter.
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May 20, 2014 02:43
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Syrant posted:What about the lower-case i? That's a great idea. We'll also meet Sternritter d and his identical twin, Sternritter backwards d.
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Syrant posted:What about the lower-case i? ...only to get off-paneled by Kenpachi and Byakuya, a detail that is omitted from the manga until a year later when they reappear a little beaten up and a little smug.
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