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DustyNuts posted:This is probably boring and stupid to post, but a dude uploaded this local news clip of my ship from 2002. It's awesome to watch it and see how they bullshitted the media into thinking they actually filled out the messline nutrition placards or fancied the food up in any way. The food was garbage, and the PT program was an absolute joke. My mind has basically exploded with nostalgia watching this. She's wearing her cover on the messdecks. Somebody should have slapped her down. 
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DustyNuts posted:This is probably boring and stupid to post, but a dude uploaded this local news clip of my ship from 2002. It's awesome to watch it and see how they bullshitted the media into thinking they actually filled out the messline nutrition placards or fancied the food up in any way. The food was garbage, and the PT program was an absolute joke. My mind has basically exploded with nostalgia watching this. I do not like Esther. I do, however miss my DD.
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May 20, 2014 04:18
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The best thing was then the guy in the studio goes to throw it to Esther at around the 9 minute mark, doesn't get any response, and then is just like "I'm sure she's fine," I assumed she was in getting fluids in Medical or passed out.
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May 20, 2014 04:30
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Lol 11%, and all the whiny people that would make terrible petty officers are regretting their knee pads.
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May 20, 2014 04:59
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I hope you made it panda, GL! <3 <3 <3 It's 5am, so it's time for a drink.
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May 20, 2014 10:24
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Sir Lucius posted:I hope you made it panda, GL! <3 <3 <3 It's 7 PM here. Good timing. Also, we had our annual SARP training today so now I know what everyone is looking for to judge my alcoholism.
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May 20, 2014 11:04
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Sir Lucius posted:I hope you made it panda, GL! <3 <3 <3 Oh god please don't put that evil on me. HN fo lyfe.
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May 20, 2014 15:42
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So, I'm on the last didactic day of Corps school. It was supposed to be a movie day, before we start clinicals next week, but because one single person talked during muster, we get to sit completely silently in a room and stare at a wall. 2.5 hours down, 5.5 hours to go. loving poo poo. Every HM1 and HM2 teaching at this school makes me wonder how bad it's going to be in the hospital. At least I get to go to lab tech school after this.
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May 20, 2014 16:27
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It's not that bad at all they're just overly motto and stupid because they're all nostalgic about their greenside days. I was really surprised how mellow everything was when I checked into my first command. I don't know where you guys keep coming from between me and panda there must be 6 of us
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Akula Raskolnikova posted:So, I'm on the last didactic day of Corps school. It was supposed to be a movie day, before we start clinicals next week, but because one single person talked during muster, we get to sit completely silently in a room and stare at a wall. 2.5 hours down, 5.5 hours to go. loving poo poo. Every HM1 and HM2 teaching at this school makes me wonder how bad it's going to be in the hospital. At least I get to go to lab tech school after this. Don't worry. Just keep your head down and you'll be fine. Most techs are ghosts at whatever command they end up at, even the smaller ones. Hell, here in Lemoore the techs go entire contracts never meeting each other until they go to check out.
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I don't know if they still do clinical's at health south but I literally was not allowed to do anything for a week but make beds and deliver trays.
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Yeah, they're all FMF here, and one dude that was dive med that's chill as gently caress. Every other instructor we've had talks about kicking in doors and shooting people in the face, even though they've had one deployment to Iraq in 2011 where they worked at a BAS, and spent the rest of the time doing sick call at Lejuene. It's a pretty dead giveaway that they show videos of their FMTB class to show how hardcore they are. I'm just tired of this place, I hope C school is better.
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Akula Raskolnikova posted:Yeah, they're all FMF here, and one dude that was dive med that's chill as gently caress. Every other instructor we've had talks about kicking in doors and shooting people in the face, even though they've had one deployment to Iraq in 2011 where they worked at a BAS, and spent the rest of the time doing sick call at Lejuene. It's a pretty dead giveaway that they show videos of their FMTB class to show how hardcore they are. I'm just tired of this place, I hope C school is better. Life gets better maybe
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SketchesOfSpain01 posted:Life gets better maybe
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http://jorules.wordpress.com/2014/05/19/the-kinder-gentler-navy-fallacy/ Well written. Must be one of them English majors.
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poopkitty posted:http://jorules.wordpress.com/2014/05/19/the-kinder-gentler-navy-fallacy/ "more disciplined and professional" is for chumps. Why join the Navy if you're not going to be a little drunk and disorderly for cultural reasons?
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He somehow concluded after all that analysis that we are super well trained and better off. Lol
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Laranzu posted:He somehow concluded after all that analysis that we are super well trained and better off. Do you think our uncles and grandfathers could spout alcohol and sex assault statistics as well as we can?  Yeah. That's training.
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Hooyah Shipmates, bettering the world one saved port at a time by not helping the terrorists profit from sex trade
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poopkitty posted:http://jorules.wordpress.com/2014/05/19/the-kinder-gentler-navy-fallacy/ Well written but mostly wrong. Should've started it off with a "in my experience" so we would've know right off the bat. Of course the fact that it was from a JO blog should've been the tipper.
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vulturesrow posted:the fact that it was from a JO blog should've been the tipper. Ding ding ding. But seriously, which parts are incorrect? I saw it as mostly opinion, but I'm curious.
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Pandasmores posted:Hooyah Shipmates, bettering the world one saved port at a time by not helping the terrorists profit from sex trade That's adorable. You're adorable. I could just pinch your cheeks.
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MancXVI posted:That's adorable. You're adorable. I could just pinch your cheeks. That's sexual harrassment, shipmate.
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orange juche posted:That's sexual harrassment, shipmate. Not those cheeks. Sheesh.
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poopkitty posted:But seriously, which parts are incorrect? I saw it as mostly opinion, but I'm curious. Here's one way of putting it: His assertion is that the natural state of a bunch of generally young dudes is roughhousing, grabass and smut. Ok, sure, I'm not sure how much that's true, but whatever. An expression you'll often here is 'herding cats'. You can get cats (or cattle, or whatever) to flow a certain direction if you gently convince them that's the way they wanted to go in the first place. If you try to be heavy handed or make big brutal changes in direction, not only will they not go, they'll jam up and resist, and inefficient chaos ensues. The fundamental job of the Navy is warfighting. Not minimizing sexual harassment, etc etc. Enacting the US's political will, by force when needed. There is value in projecting a certain clean image for PR reasons, so you don't get entanglements that interfere with enacting that will (because your fire control team is in jail, for instance) and there's also some value in projecting a certain dirty image, because having people think you're untouchable motherfuckers can get you out of fights before they start, and that goes further than the liberty port cathouse. That latter bit tends to get forgotten. The key here is that if the natural state of sailors is debauchery and you need them to be highly trained and hardened killers (or cooks, or enginemen or whatever) what you should be focusing on is how to nudge them with the least possible tangential force in that direction. Division/department training on their own equipment and procedures helps with that. SARP etc where you demonize them and their de facto lifestyle (often) does not, and every minute you spend on it is one you're not putting towards improving warfighting, or one of any other beneficial activities (including letting the motherfuckers get some shuteye.) You may not be able to maintain the social standards of a modern university, but you're not dealing with university-caliber kids in most cases anyway, and universities don't have to worry about DC efforts when people hurl missiles at them, how to handle boats full of unruly refugees, how to remain undetected when off the coast of Country Orange, etc. In fact, focusing on telling your sailors they're pieces of poo poo for things you haven't convinced them are evil (like engine room grabass or putting dirty granny porn in someone's rack) is like throwing a wall in front of a pack of cats; they're not going to accept it and go shooting off in the direction you want, they're going to a) get frustrated at whoever's throwing this poo poo in their faces and b) redouble their efforts on getting around it. Neither of those help your cause, which should be warfighting. Basically the standard should be, do what you need to do to keep someone from getting genuinely hurt (physically or mentally), but recognize your sailors aren't and can't be allowed to be delicate flowers, because they need to be able to cope with poo poo hitting the fan. And just because things happen down in the machinery spaces that aren't fit to show to small children doesn't mean it's a crisis. You can get into the team-building and trust aspects of some of the 'hazing' in a job where you're often quite literally depending on people to do their job right, three levels away, possibly while you're sleeping, or you're going to loving die, but that's more controversial. The guy also confuses the heckler's veto with democracy, and I'd argue really underestimates how much the Navy knee-jerks at a macro level, but that's beyond the scope.
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"Herding cats" has more to do with the fact that cats don't listen for poo poo and will do whatever they want.
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I was going to post something to that effect last night but forgot. You misunderstood herding cats
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poopkitty posted:Ding ding ding. Snowden more or less nailed it, I 'll just expand on a couple things: Snowdens Secret posted:The key here is that if the natural state of sailors is debauchery and you need them to be highly trained and hardened killers (or cooks, or enginemen or whatever) what you should be focusing on is how to nudge them with the least possible tangential force in that direction. Division/department training on their own equipment and procedures helps with that. SARP etc where you demonize them and their de facto lifestyle (often) does not, and every minute you spend on it is one you're not putting towards improving warfighting, or one of any other beneficial activities (including letting the motherfuckers get some shuteye.) You may not be able to maintain the social standards of a modern university, but you're not dealing with university-caliber kids in most cases anyway, and universities don't have to worry about DC efforts when people hurl missiles at them, how to handle boats full of unruly refugees, how to remain undetected when off the coast of Country Orange, etc. Bolded was the focus of one of my major problems with that piece. I was going to specifically mention the sleep thing. For me as an aviator, I lose the opportunity to tell my guys to knock off for the day because they busted their rear end on getting an engine change done expeditiously. Instead I have to send them to 2 hours of GMT. Its all about opportunity cost. quote:Basically the standard should be, do what you need to do to keep someone from getting genuinely hurt (physically or mentally), but recognize your sailors aren't and can't be allowed to be delicate flowers, because they need to be able to cope with poo poo hitting the fan. And just because things happen down in the machinery spaces that aren't fit to show to small children doesn't mean it's a crisis. That's what I tell people what the standard should be almost to the letter. quote:The guy also confuses the heckler's veto with democracy, and I'd argue really underestimates how much the Navy knee-jerks at a macro level, but that's beyond the scope. Not only does he underestimate it, he is underestimating the impact that it has on the day to day life of sailors. The JO thing was meant somewhat tongue in cheek but its funny because its true. I'm sure he is an intelligent guy but JOs have a very myopic view of the Navy. In aviation JOs aren't expected to anything except be really good at tactics, NATOPS, and taking care of any sailors that work for them. They don't deal with big picture very often, if at all. He is basing things on "his experience" which is jack poo poo. I write this as a JO who used to do the same thing and I'd wager to guess I had a better idea of the larger picture when I was a JO because of some of the stuff I did with the squadron but looking back now I realize I still knew gently caress all about big Navy.
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So being in shipyard makes me feel like I'm not in the real Navy sometimes. I qualify 'watches' that aren't complete, take tests, play tour guide for NR, and wonder what other date will slip, and joke that I will leave the navy with 0 sea time (less than Ket!). At least I get to be a plankholder? Anyone else in here a precom/yard guy?
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Ryand-Smith posted:So being in shipyard makes me feel like I'm not in the real Navy sometimes. I qualify 'watches' that aren't complete, take tests, play tour guide for NR, and wonder what other date will slip, and joke that I will leave the navy with 0 sea time (less than Ket!). At least I get to be a plankholder? Plankowner. I work in the shipyards at a maintenance facility. I am not a guy.
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Ryand-Smith posted:So being in shipyard makes me feel like I'm not in the real Navy sometimes. I qualify 'watches' that aren't complete, take tests, play tour guide for NR, and wonder what other date will slip, and joke that I will leave the navy with 0 sea time (less than Ket!). At least I get to be a plankholder? the real navy is just all that retardation plus making circles in the water you arent really missin much as far a excitement goes... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opU1urLhw50&t=27s
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genderstomper58 posted:the real navy is just all that retardation plus making circles in the water you arent really missin much as far a excitement goes...
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For those with experience at Sasebo, what're the recommendations for things to do? I'm heading down there for a couple weeks and looking to fill the time between the traditional bouts of drinking alone in the dark.
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cult_hero posted:For those with experience at Sasebo, what're the recommendations for things to do? I'm heading down there for a couple weeks and looking to fill the time between the traditional bouts of drinking alone in the dark. Well, drinking in the dark is good i hear.
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cult_hero posted:For those with experience at Sasebo, what're the recommendations for things to do? I'm heading down there for a couple weeks and looking to fill the time between the traditional bouts of drinking alone in the dark. Getting glared at and protested by locals is a popular pastime for many a sailor there.
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Noeland posted:Getting glared at and protested by locals is a popular pastime for many a sailor there. I still remember the japanese protest boats at basically every port we pulled in to. They would register with the coast guard and would stay in their restricted box. They wouldn't actually come close to the ship. They just sat back with their megaphones shouting "McCain go home!"
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cult_hero posted:For those with experience at Sasebo, what're the recommendations for things to do? I'm heading down there for a couple weeks and looking to fill the time between the traditional bouts of drinking alone in the dark. Sasebo doesn't seem like an exciting place, but there is a lot of cool things to do in and around the area, and Japan in general, if you're not the typical get drunk erry night sailor. My second ship was a broke-dick FFG so I spent about a month and a half there on a WESTPAC. - Definitely buy some Chu-Hi's and jump on a train to Nagasaki and check out the Atomic Bomb museum and park. It's pretty moving and worth the time. Also don't be a dick there.  - There is a place just off base called Steak Salon. It's run by an adorable old couple and seats about 10 people total. You can tell he loves preparing his recipes, he does it very well, and you'll enjoy a great four/five course dinner. Don't leave Sasebo without trying this at least once.  - Try some Habu-Sake  - In the winter there is a lantern festival in Nagasaki - it's pretty cool.  Really, you just need to keep an ear to the ground, explore, and experience every festival and what not you can. Or you could just go to Sailor town and drink your time there away. You'll miss one more than the other though.
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Boon posted:Sasebo doesn't seem like an exciting place, but there is a lot of cool things to do in and around the area, and Japan in general, if you're not the typical get drunk erry night sailor. My second ship was a broke-dick FFG so I spent about a month and a half there on a WESTPAC. I would love to go westpac for my next tour...
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Anyone have the results? Gotta check some homies outside the command...
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