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Chevalier Cat posted:Is gaining morale during the extended Ambition Mode campaign battles impossible? I'll hold every base on the map and have defeated every officer but the commander and morale will still be 50-50. I find having 3 generals that are the cheer one (I can't remember what it's called, the one with a flame as an icon) raises the starting morale. This keeps me at roughly even morale to slightly ahead most of the time. I don't think the lieutenants' alignment (Atk, Def, Cheer, Luck) matters for the generals, but I give them one of each that isn't the general (so each group has all 4). I'm pretty sure the alignment of the general affects the entire army. I wish the game's "tutorial" for this section was more clear, or even mentioned what the hell any of that stuff means or affects. The above stuff is completely anecdotal and I have no idea if that changed anything. I don't bother with "Luck" generals since I assume that just affects crits or item drops or something. Also, I recommend you send your bodyguards to help whichever group you don't follow. Try not to go off by yourself right away, too. Also, try and take the supply and reinforcement bases first. One makes the enemy weaker, the other continually spawns more mobile infantry. Also, also: Have one of your bodyguards have the supply ability (I think that's what it's called.). Use it after you've got around 400-500 KOs and they will add about 9-ish minutes to the clock. This way you don't have to rush so much. PureRok fucked around with this message at 05:45 on May 20, 2014 |
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Tae posted:And the hilarious twist is in the tv show, chen gong completely abandons his family when he first meets Cao Cao and he got praised as the best guy ever by said Cao Cao. Yeah, I'm starting the 2010 series right now and that part was just so surreal. Chen Gong: "My family...? I'll pretend they don't exist!  "Cao Cao: "Truly, you are the most noble of men!!!"
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Gharbad the Weak posted:I've been eating generic officers to upgrade other officers in Ambition mode, but now I need 400 people to get a farm. Like, do I need 400 at ONCE? Because I've got like 20 officers right now. Yes, 400 at once. Don't worry; you'll start getting them pretty quickly. Captain Oblivious posted:Gan Ning or Zhou Tai, manliest manly men in Wu Wrong, because Wu has Huang Gai. 
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May 20, 2014 05:47
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Maleketh posted:Wrong, because Wu has Huang Gai. When I was much younger I'd pronounce this as "Hung Guy" to get all the laughs from the neighborhood kids. Mispronouncing Chinese names was half the fun back then.
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May 20, 2014 05:54
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Trying to clear the tiger event star on Lu Bu's story mode just keeps reminding me of this stupid scene.
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May 20, 2014 06:17
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Speedball posted:Trying to clear the tiger event star on Lu Bu's story mode just keeps reminding me of this stupid scene. that isn't a link this is a link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5R6wWgVp9kA
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May 20, 2014 06:32
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nutranurse posted:Yeah, I'm starting the 2010 series right now and that part was just so surreal. And then one episode later Chen Gong immediately regrets his decisions because Cao Cao's an unrepentant dick who's totally fine with slaughtering his uncle & his uncle's household. Truly a chaotic time.
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May 20, 2014 06:35
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The show really questioned how old Sima Yi was if he lived through 4 generations of Cao family and still didn't go senile until well after finally overthrowing the Wei family.
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May 20, 2014 06:58
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He was actually 24 years younger than Cao Cao, and lived to 72. I was confused too since his actor looked older than Cao Cao's. I just finished the show and all I have to say is  Sima Yi
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May 20, 2014 07:13
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Escape from Chendu: "Zhong Hui's plot has cast suspicion of treason on Wang Yuanji." *Map has literally nothing to do with Wang Yuanji*
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May 20, 2014 07:52
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nutranurse posted:And then one episode later Chen Gong immediately regrets his decisions because Cao Cao's an unrepentant dick who's totally fine with slaughtering his uncle & his uncle's household. The game presents cao cao as such a wise and noble man. The chapter someone linked earlier on showed that that wasn't the case at all. I should really read the three kingdoms book but currently I'm reading other stuff while stuck halfway through water margin.
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May 20, 2014 08:21
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The part where Cao Cao accidentally murders his extended family reads like something out of a dark comedy. As does the part where he evades Lu Bu.
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May 20, 2014 08:29
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redreader posted:The game presents cao cao as such a wise and noble man. The chapter someone linked earlier on showed that that wasn't the case at all. I should really read the three kingdoms book but currently I'm reading other stuff while stuck halfway through water margin. I think it is important to note that all of these people in history were assholes, to varying degrees. That said, Cao Cao was apparently a good father to his sons at least. Liu Bei...not so much http://3kfunfacts.tumblr.com/post/66876976357/in-three-kingdom-there-are-fan-saying-that-sunjian-was
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i got the pc version of 8, and it is the first game i have played since the ps2 era, and i am impressed with how big they made the story mode. it was hilarious in the shu storyline when everyone just started to die i was not expecting them to do that. is this the first game in the series where they have killed off characters like this?
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Dick Spacious CPA posted:i got the pc version of 8, and it is the first game i have played since the ps2 era, and i am impressed with how big they made the story mode. it was hilarious in the shu storyline when everyone just started to die i was not expecting them to do that. is this the first game in the series where they have killed off characters like this? I know they were doing it in 7, though I don't remember if they did in 6. They have started including side stories/hypotheticals where certain folks survive that should not have normally.
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May 20, 2014 14:00
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I think the mass murder started in 7 when Jin Dynasty was introduced. That gave them the go-ahead to kill everyone since they have an actual storyline to go past Sun Quan's death.
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May 20, 2014 14:03
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Woo, Tonquetai unlocked and all facilities maxed out---now I don't know what the hell I'm doing in this new mode! Argh!
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May 20, 2014 17:28
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redreader posted:The game presents cao cao as such a wise and noble man. The chapter someone linked earlier on showed that that wasn't the case at all. I should really read the three kingdoms book but currently I'm reading other stuff while stuck halfway through water margin.
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May 20, 2014 17:43
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Endorph posted:It presents Shu as the protagonists and Wei as the antagonists Which is funny for a bunch of reasons, the sworn bros in particular getting a good bit of whitewashing in different places.
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May 20, 2014 17:53
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Any Kingdom is permissible as a favorite Kingdom. Except Shu. gently caress Shu
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Endorph posted:One thing to point out is that Romance of the Three Kingdoms, while not quite as batshit as Dynasty Warriors, still isn't really an accurate historical record. It presents Shu as the protagonists and Wei as the antagonists, and therefore it's biased in favor of Shu and biased against Wei. It's a very interesting read that had a heavy influence on the popular image of these people, but if you want a historical read, there are more accurate sources. Romance of the Three Kingdoms is more like the folktale version. So I just did some wikipedia-ing and stuff. HOLY poo poo. This took place ad. 220 or so. God drat. I thought it was at least 500-1000 years later, probably because water margin is around 1050+.
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May 20, 2014 17:59
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As far as I know, three sworn brothers had to kill each other families after the whole oath on peach garden.
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redreader posted:So I just did some wikipedia-ing and stuff. HOLY poo poo. This took place ad. 220 or so. God drat. I thought it was at least 500-1000 years later, probably because water margin is around 1050+. Its one of the most popular novels of all time so yeah, its got some real staying power. In the encyclopedia I believe they provide a comprehensive timeline.
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redreader posted:So I just did some wikipedia-ing and stuff. HOLY poo poo. This took place ad. 220 or so. God drat. I thought it was at least 500-1000 years later, probably because water margin is around 1050+. The real amazing poo poo in wiki chain reading the era is how amazingly ballsy and advanced warfare got relative to the times. Some of those giant fire breathing contraptions you escort in dw games were based on real things.
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May 20, 2014 18:17
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One of my favorite story-mode NPC comments is some random soldier who says the following line before Wei fights Shu in one of the earlier stages (paraphrasing): "We'll beat Liu Bei & his brothers in this battle, then the Shu will be on the other foot!" It's good that the guys behind translating dialogue are willing to make these puns. 
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Endorph posted:One thing to point out is that Romance of the Three Kingdoms, while not quite as batshit as Dynasty Warriors, still isn't really an accurate historical record. It presents Shu as the protagonists and Wei as the antagonists, and therefore it's biased in favor of Shu and biased against Wei. It's a very interesting read that had a heavy influence on the popular image of these people, but if you want a historical read, there are more accurate sources. Romance of the Three Kingdoms is more like the folktale version. Yeah, its kinda like the Chinese equivalent of the Authurian Legend. If you read Romance, most of the major characters are like Beowulf or Robin Hood. They're super badass and they have these wonderful legends but its pretty clear they're not very realistic. redreader posted:So I just did some wikipedia-ing and stuff. HOLY poo poo. This took place ad. 220 or so. God drat. I thought it was at least 500-1000 years later, probably because water margin is around 1050+. Yeah that poo poo is crazy old.
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May 20, 2014 18:18
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I like how in the Orochi games, their technology compares favorably to the Japanese technology of 1400 years later.
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nutranurse posted:One of my favorite story-mode NPC comments is some random soldier who says the following line before Wei fights Shu in one of the earlier stages (paraphrasing):  And then there's this 
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Fun historical facts about the Oath Brothers, the heroes of the novel: Zhang Fei was a murderous outlaw, who, following the battle of Guandu, found Xiahou Yuan's niece and kidnapped her. He forced her to be his wife, which implies exactly as you would expect. She was twelve years old at the time. Many years later, he was assassinated by several of his subordinates, who had put up with many years of him beating them and abusing them. Liu Bei was a rather dubiously-competent minor warlord/glorified bandit for much of his career. He had a long track record of losing battles horribly and running away. As a (very) minor member of the Imperial clan, he used his family's fame and prestige to his own ends. Had a habit of betraying most of his lords and allies early on for his own ambitions, but this wasn't THAT unusual back then. Only started to gain success after Chibi, where he convinced many of Liu Biao's former generals (like Huang Zhong) to join him. Took most of Jing without a fight, and totally promised Sun Quan he'd give back half of it honestly no backsies. He took his clansman Liu Zhang's land by pretending to come and aid him in a war against Zhang Lu, then immediately turning on him once he was within his borders. Guan Yu was a fairly strong guy, and a decent warrior, but a terrible general and even worse governor. Was known to be arrogant and had a hugely inflated sense of self worth. Was left in charge of Jing whilst Liu Bei was kicking in Liu Zhang's teeth. Used every opportunity to piss of Wu, and also treat his own men like poo poo because why not. He couldn't defeat Wei at Fan Castle despite having superior numbers, better trained troops and the fact Wei lost half it's defending army to a freak flood. After being forced to retreat he found out Lu Meng had conquered all of Jing under his nose, with much of Guan Yu's garrison leaders and subordinates defecting without a fight mainly because they hated his smug rear end.
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Brony Hunter posted:Zhang Fei was a murderous outlaw, who, following the battle of Guandu, found Xiahou Yuan's niece and kidnapped her. He forced her to be his wife, which implies exactly as you would expect. She was twelve years old at the time. Many years later, he was assassinated by several of his subordinates, who had put up with many years of him beating them and abusing them. This one still blows my mind with how much his awfulness gets skipped over, history Zhang Fei was pretty much the textbook definition for abominable. Made a little girl his wife, regularly abused his soldiers, regularly abused or killed prisoners, joined right alongside Liu Bei for their time of essentially being bandits, murdered Cao Bao which started an all out riot and plenty more. Yardbomb fucked around with this message at 18:29 on May 20, 2014 |
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That's the kind of Liu Bei you'd expect to chuck a baby on the ground in sheer fright he almost lost one of his best henchmen. edit: I'm only up to about episode 46, but Three Kingdoms 2010 has had periodic moments showcasing that Zhang Fei is a violent, incompetent loving moron when not properly supervised, and Guan Yu is a vainglorious prick. Liu Bei definitely gets painted with a much kinder brush though, where all his faults and mistakes were largely because he stuck to 'virtue' over Zhuge Liang's harder martial / logistic calls. double-edit, re: TK2010- what the gently caress is with Guan Yu's eyes? He never seems to look anyone in the face, and he's really not that menacing or imposing. Lu Bu sort of had that problem too, with the babyfaced actor they chose. Cao Cao, I don't think that one could've been more perfectly cast, or Zhang Fei for that matter. 5er fucked around with this message at 18:32 on May 20, 2014 |
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May 20, 2014 18:27
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Ugh, it's like finding out your favorite author was a horrible racist.
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Yardbomb posted:This one still blows my mind with how much his awfulness gets skipped over, history Zhang Fei was pretty much the textbook definition for abominable.
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May 20, 2014 18:30
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Speedball posted:Ugh, it's like finding out your favorite author was a horrible racist. I know.  Why can't they just be heroes.
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Samurai Sanders posted:Well, he's portrayed as the one who loves the fun of fighting (against 12 year old girls too I guess). The other funny thing about all that is when stuff like DW tries to do some raging alcoholic thing for him, as even some small explanation to him being whacked out. Nope, no record of Zhang Fei being a drunkard or anything, he was just a plain old horrible guy.
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Yeah, a lot of people forget that before roughly 205ish AD, Liu Bei and his minions were little more than glorified bandits, travelling around pillaging and killing people and illegally seizing land. Cao Cao tried to make them official officers after the battle of Xiapi (probably to try and reform them) and gave Liu Bei command of an army to finish off Yuan Shu. Almost immediately Liu Bei seized control of the army, sent the supervisors Cao Cao had tag along home running, and started to cause carnage again. And unlike in the novel, he didn't do this because he recieved a secret decree from the Emperor, he rebelled basically for shits and giggles and to try and take Xu province for his own by force. Cao Cao was forced to move his army from the border with Yuan Shao to deal with them, which could have been disasterous had Yuan Shao not waited a year to attack. Speaking of which, following this event Liu Bei escaped to Yuan Shao, who gave him another army and ordered him to go behind Cao Cao's lines and disrupt his supplies and communications. What did the "virtuous" Liu Bei do? Immediately begin pillaging near Xuchang and Runan, joining up with several bands of former Yellow Turbans who had turned to thievery and banditry. Yuan Shao (who was pretty ruthless with bandits and Yellow Turbans in his own lands) almost certainly did not sanction this. It was during this time that Zhang Fei kidnapped Xiahou Yuan's twelve year old niece.
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nutranurse posted:I know.
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Well if they were bandits then why did the Romance glorify them? Robin Hood effect?
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Seriously, Shu are grade-a evil folk except maybe Zhuge Liang which is probably why their kingdom rapidly collapsed after his death.
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