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Javid posted:Well, both Jackson & Josephine counties passed their respective GMO ban measures. I'm woefully unclear on the significance; isn't this just a primary and it gets voted on again later? Or what? Have pols closed in Oregon yet? It seems the statewide primary results aren't available, yet.
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Gerund posted:Seattle has a new police commissioner, announced to be Kathleen O'Toole, their first female commissioner. You may remember her from a stint with Boston PD as commissioner during the time in which the riot police murdered a reveler in late '04, where she slapped a few wrists but didn't follow up on any charges. She was also Ireland's top cop for the last 8 years and a Pattern committee member during the post-98 Belfast agreement police reforms. So she's a tool. :itisapun: Maybe she'll institute reform, but I'm not holding my breath.
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They closed in these two counties at 8. https://www.co.jackson.or.us/page.asp?navid=4051 http://www.co.josephine.or.us/Page.asp?NavID=771
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So, I guess we get to keep our water supply or something? Never really did figure out what the point of that ballot measure was.
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It looks like Monica Wehby is going to be the Republican senatatorial candidate. ...anyone want to predict Merkley's margin of victory?
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Gerund posted:Rumor has it she'll be interested in installing shoulder-cameras Gerund posted:coordinating with the DOJ to get the SPD out from under that little "you're a terrible police force, we are beginning the process to fire everyone involved" thingy.
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quote:This is a good idea, as long as they are "always on" and include audio. (And they make it an outright crime with a mandated criminal case everytime they "malfunction" and somehow "lose all footage".) With proper city wireless they could all stream back to hq anyway. police.seattle.twitch.tv TheDeadlyShoe fucked around with this message at 10:05 on May 21, 2014 |
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FRINGE posted:This is a good idea, as long as they are "always on" and include audio. (And they make it an outright crime with a mandated criminal case everytime they "malfunction" and somehow "lose all footage".) I believe I saw an article saying washington requires permission to record audio so it'd actually be illegal for it to include audio.
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FRINGE posted:This is a good idea, as long as they are "always on" and include audio. (And they make it an outright crime with a mandated criminal case everytime they "malfunction" and somehow "lose all footage".) It will never happen.
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Gerund posted:Rumor has it she'll be interested in installing shoulder-cameras and coordinating with the DOJ to get the SPD out from under that little "you're a terrible police force, we are beginning the process to fire everyone involved" thingy. If they're that bad then isn't a bad thing they won't all be fired and blacklisted?
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Accretionist posted:If they're that bad then isn't a bad thing they won't all be fired and blacklisted? I don't think the entire department is rotten, there is just a lovely culture and they enable the percentage of lovely cops to remain that way. Hopefully with the Feds looking over their shoulder, things will change.
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Mrit posted:...Hopefully with the Feds looking over their shoulder, things will change. Why is this the prevailing thought? Why is it that the Feds are going to fix everything? It seems pretty clear to me right now that the Fed can't do its job properly in many aspects. You need the state and the local governments to stop being so lovely at what they do, which requires individual involvement in your local politics. However, with the influx of political money this process has become so screwed up the real thing we should all be pushing for is political reform. Both campaign and electoral. /off tangent Why can't we just make a third party run the cameras off the wireless of Seattle (Which was suppose to happen a long time ago). Bill the federal government for it, call it homeland security bullshit. Then we need to move on to the other real problems plaguing our fine area. This stuff is small potatoes to the real reforms needed in the tax system (WA) so we can actually run the state properly without poking the poor people to pay for it. A complete overhaul of the tax system is something that could really help Washington State.
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sullat posted:So, I guess we get to keep our water supply or something? Never really did figure out what the point of that ballot measure was. From what I recall: Corporate assholes thought they could leverage the perceived discontent of many Portlanders over water rates to take control over water away from the city itself, and give it to a  non-partisan elected council which, due to the way it was supposed to be structured, would've been very easy for said corporate assholes to influence (like, "this is an unpaid position that people who've ever worked with the city or utilities are expressly forbidden from being a part of" easy).TBH I was pretty worried after seeing people flip their poo poo over fluoridation and pass the Regressive Tax.
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Did anyone else roll their eyes a little at the "yay Oregon!" social media posts after the gay marriage ban was struck down? Oregon didn't do poo poo to fix that, that was a federal judge that made that ruling.
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It doesn't matter who did it; Oregon is now a better place for a huge amount of people who live in it. And the state is refusing to appeal the decision, so there's that.
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I'm currently engaged in a one-man pub crawl in Ballard (pre-trivia night at Market Arms) and I started wondering, which neighborhood is the most authentically "Seattle"? Like in terms of retaining some of the older culture and not being overrun by software millionaires or chain stores? Would Phinney be another contender?
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Rainier. It's too full of minorities for the software millionaires and too poor for strip malls.
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Mojo Threepwood posted:I'm currently engaged in a one-man pub crawl in Ballard (pre-trivia night at Market Arms) and I started wondering, which neighborhood is the most authentically "Seattle"? Like in terms of retaining some of the older culture and not being overrun by software millionaires or chain stores? Would Phinney be another contender? Georgetown?
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mod sassinator posted:Georgetown? Literally a boho dumping ground. Go further into South Park or go up into Greenwood.
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Thaledan posted:Why is this the prevailing thought? Why is it that the Feds are going to fix everything? LA is a famous example. Its still the LAPD, but it is no longer the "kill the niggers and sprinkle the crack" Rampart squad stuff from the 90s. http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/18/local/me-consent-decree18 Oakland probably needed a leash on dogs: http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_22134081/oakland-police-department-avoids-federal-takeover-agrees-unprecedented The currently watched and civilized (from what I could tell?) Portland PD is trying to escape oversight: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/03/federal_judge_wants_to_maintai.html Etc ... signs are that it has an effect. Its harder for a local thug to shake the feds than it is for him to lean on the locals Arpaio-style. Unless its "The South" then murder is their GOD GIVEN RIGHT or whatever. http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/4/13/doj-and-nopd.html quote:“A lot of the … bad old officers are passing it on to the young guys. If they are training the recruits to do wrong things, then they are just repeating a cycle,”
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Did anyone else roll their eyes a little at the "yay Oregon!" social media posts after the gay marriage ban was struck down? Oregon didn't do poo poo to fix that, that was a federal judge that made that ruling. Well, the AG announced that they weren't going to defend the law from challenges. It was a blight on our state constitution, and now it's gone. We're (well most of us) are drat happy about that.
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Mojo Threepwood posted:I'm currently engaged in a one-man pub crawl in Ballard (pre-trivia night at Market Arms) and I started wondering, which neighborhood is the most authentically "Seattle"? Like in terms of retaining some of the older culture and not being overrun by software millionaires or chain stores? Would Phinney be another contender? 23th and Jackson/Yesler (but Rainier north and south of Columbia City is probably a better answer). woke wedding drone fucked around with this message at 04:15 on May 22, 2014 |
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highme posted:Well, the AG announced that they weren't going to defend the law from challenges. It was a blight on our state constitution, and now it's gone. We're (well most of us) are drat happy about that. I'm happy it's happened too, and I'm also an Oregonian, I just didn't think there was a lot of state pride to be had about it when it was a referendum that put the gay marriage ban in place and a federal judge that took it down. We shouldn't have banned it in the first place and we should have reversed it quicker. Like I said, I'm happy it's been reversed, and I'm certainly glad that officials were ready to start issuing licenses right after the decision.
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Rainier/columbia city has a pretty chill farmer's market in the summer. Its right across from the Starbucks, I used to work there and hit up the farmer's market after work.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:We shouldn't have banned it in the first place and we should have reversed it quicker. We shouldn't have, but it was a byproduct of Bush courting the evangelical voters during 2004 and surprisingly younger voters being in favor of the ban. It's reversal was going to be on the ballot in November.I don't have any inside knowledge but I'm guessing the leaders of that political movement made calculated decisions against moving it forward before now. It wouldn't have passed in 2006. California banned gay marriage at the polls in 2008. 2010 wasn't a good year to be running progressive anything during the Tealiban's uprising. It probably could have passed in 2012, but I would imagine people were waiting to see what happened up north.
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highme posted:Well, the AG announced that they weren't going to defend the law from challenges. It was a blight on our state constitution, and now it's gone. We're (well most of us) are drat happy about that. That is, unless a conservative Republican wins the Attorney General's office in the 2016 election and makes overturning the ban their top, immediate priority. It could happen!
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So who thinks the entire E. coli reservoir scare is a false flag operation to get Portland water under corporate control? As wonky as I am, I can't really work myself up over water bureau issues, although I know there are many people who do. Is there anyone who can give a one paragraph description of the politics of Portland's water supply?
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glowing-fish posted:So who thinks the entire E. coli reservoir scare is a false flag operation to get Portland water under corporate control? That's just what Big Water wants you to think! glowing-fish posted:As wonky as I am, I can't really work myself up over water bureau issues, although I know there are many people who do. Is there anyone who can give a one paragraph description of the politics of Portland's water supply? From what I've read it's mainly people who're grumpy that they have to pay
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As many people in this thread (and elsewhere) have noted, most of the population of Oregon and Washington is centered in the Portland or Seattle metro areas. But I was curious just how concentrated the population was, so I decided to put together a map for Oregon, showing the 50, 75 and 90% population areas, by county. It might sound confusing, but hopefully the map itself will make things clearer: So 50% of Oregon's population is in the Portland+Salem metro area, 75% of Oregon's population is in that area, or elsewhere in the Willamette Valley or Bend, and then by adding the coast and the Medford area to it, we get to 90% of Oregon's population. I will also try to do one of these for Washington.
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The primacy rate (the size of the largest city compared to the 2nd largest) for the Pacific Northwest is quite a bit out of alignment with urban geographical norms. Generally the 2nd largest city in a state is half as large as the largest (and the 3rd largest is half of the second largest). Neither Washington or Oregon match this pattern. And no offense to your cartographic skills, but a map of the congressional districts will give us the same results.
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The desert in Eastern Oregon is the quietest place I've ever been by far.
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glowing-fish posted:I will also try to do one of these for Washington.
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Xylorjax posted:That said, Eastern Washington isn't quite as empty as Eastern Oregon. A large part of that is the river which allows trade (Lewiston in Idaho is the furthest inland port in the US) and apparently there's a fair amount of fertile land. I've been in Eastern Oregon lots of times as a youth because it was between where I lived in Idaho and the coast, and it's a desert. A beautiful desert, but still a desert. That being said, I think Spokane wouldn't be a terrible place to live for what I'm used to (smallish college town that's kinda liberal), I just wish there was a more balanced tax system in Washington. computer parts fucked around with this message at 14:43 on May 25, 2014 |
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glowing-fish posted:As many people in this thread (and elsewhere) have noted, most of the population of Oregon and Washington is centered in the Portland or Seattle metro areas. But I was curious just how concentrated the population was, so I decided to put together a map for Oregon, showing the 50, 75 and 90% population areas, by county. Well, not that guy, but I'm kind of a map geek and it actually sounds Interesting to do these following a set of rules: 1. Minimize the number of counties you have to paint 2. Keep each level contiguous (All green counties must form a single blob, all green+yellow counties must form one blob, all green+yellow+orange counties must form one blob) Spokane and Olympia make this open-ended for Washington; here's my stab at it, but glowing-fish will do one his way for a proper matching set. I just got interested  Yellow is basically "I-5 and also Yakima", interestingly. 
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Ferry county is a landlocked one?  By the name I always assumed it was one of the island areas.
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effectual posted:Ferry county is a landlocked one? Ferry is the county with no stop lights anywhere in it.
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RIP old Coulee Dam laser show, your cheesy 1950s propaganda will be missed. 
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Seattle police officers sue to not have their use of force restricted, claiming use-of-force policies restrict their Constitutional right to be violent. Yup.Kiro News posted:More than 100 officers with the Seattle Police Department have filed a federal civil rights complaint against the Seattle mayor, city attorney, Department of Justice monitor and U.S. attorney general saying use-of-force policies are unreasonably restricting their Constitutional rights. Police are upset which can only mean that good, meaningful things are actually happening.
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