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Deadpool posted:It's still funny that people don't realize that Winchester Brother Secrets are actually a bigger component to the show than all the monsters. I means it's the main theme of the show and will be until the end. It's been nine years now and it's time for people to accept that. I was going to say that for better or worse, it's a mainstay. If you're waiting for a season where ~angst~ isn't the third brother I think it's time you get off the train.
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Deadpool posted:It's still funny that people don't realize that Winchester Brother Secrets are actually a bigger component to the show than all the monsters. I means it's the main theme of the show and will be until the end. It's been nine years now and it's time for people to accept that. Let me rephrase that: I can't stand it when they have secrets that are clearly being mined for terrible maudlin wangst because the brothers never learn anything after nine years. When there's a good plot-driven reason to keep a secret, great. When the only reason nobody spills is "we haven't met the 19-episode quota of choked-back tears and hard stares across the hood of the Impala" it's just aggravating.
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May 21, 2014 21:16
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McSpanky posted:I can't take another season of *~stoic bro secrets~*, I just can't. Oh, I don't want this, either. But they've proven they'll go back to that well just about every season. My body is prepared. The thing that's most interesting to me about the Supernatural cosmology is that it's basically secular. There's this whole elaborate interrelationship between Heaven and Hell and Purgatory, and there are demons and angels, and yet none of it seems tied to any specific, objective morality. Angels can be evil, just as demons can be good, and the ultimate authority on the topic (God) doesn't really exist. Not anymore, at least. It's unclear to me why "being a demon" is necessarily bad when they exhibit agency and are capable of humanlike emotions. Cain is a demon, but he swears off most violence to honor his dead wife. Meg was a demon, but she exhibited affection for Castiel and then martyred herself. Their power comes from "evil," but what does that even mean? Just because Dean is now a demon, why does it mean he'll become evil? If anything, it should mean he's a semi-corporeal version of himself who has to avoid devil's traps. As long as he has agency, I don't see why he'll suddenly go evil, kill his loved ones, and start eating babies. (And more to the point, there isn't any real authority in Heaven or in Hell, at this point. Crowley doesn't appear to have any real leverage over Dean anymore, and all the other warlord types - Azazel, Lucifer, Abbadon - have been eliminated. Metatron has been deposed, and Heaven is still closed, so Castiel's barely an authority figure, either.)
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May 21, 2014 21:21
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We just had a whole season of the effects of human blood on a demon. They can totally shoot demon Dean full of Sam juice and keep the angst train rolling.
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May 21, 2014 21:24
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Angela Christine posted:We just had a whole season of the effects of human blood on a demon. They can totally shoot demon Dean full of Sam juice and keep the angst train rolling. Probably not the correct phrasing given this fandom.
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May 21, 2014 21:26
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Liked the finale, definitely made a legit  face at the end.I know Bloodlines wasn't picked up, but I hope the showrunners were serious about going back to the spin-off drawing board. There's so much potential with this universe, I want another successful show, dammit!
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May 21, 2014 21:45
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Ok demon Dean.. now we just need Sam to become an angel and then its time for God to die. 
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May 21, 2014 21:58
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Sam completes the final trial by purifying Dean, shutting the gates of hell for good and, twist, not killing Sam but in fact turning him into new God. Trials were a contingency in case humanity needed to save itself in his absence, and only someone with sufficient goodness and fortitude could complete the trials, proving they were worthy of becoming top
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May 21, 2014 22:20
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mcswizzle posted:I was going to say that for better or worse, it's a mainstay. If you're waiting for a season where ~angst~ isn't the third brother I think it's time you get off the train. Fourth. Third brother still inside a hole.
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May 21, 2014 22:23
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jscolon2.0 posted:Fourth. Third brother still inside a hole. 
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Plotac 75 posted:Sam completes the final trial by purifying Dean, shutting the gates of hell for good and, twist, not killing Sam but in fact turning him into new God. Trials were a contingency in case humanity needed to save itself in his absence, and only someone with sufficient goodness and fortitude could complete the trials, proving they were worthy of becoming top Back on earth with millions and millions of ghosts. With both heaven and hell closed, all the dead roam the earth as insane ghosts. Forever.
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May 22, 2014 01:18
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Angela Christine posted:Back on earth with millions and millions of ghosts. With both heaven and hell closed, all the dead roam the earth as insane ghosts. Forever.
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May 22, 2014 01:28
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I'm not sure where they can go at this point. I mean I guess they could do the whole Dean slowly turning more evil and doing more messed up things but they already did that with Sam in like the 2nd season when he released Satan. I don't know where they can go with this that won't feel like a rehash.
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May 22, 2014 02:09
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mcswizzle posted:I'm kind of wondering if Dean is going to be as powerful as a Knight of Hell - I mean, wasn't it Cain that chose/trained the knights in the first place? And basically was the first Knight of Hell? Assuming that Crowley lets him keep the First Blade, he was as strong as a night as a person, so as a demon he's certainly much stronger. And now that Psych is off the air, I think Omundson has time to make some more appearances.
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May 22, 2014 02:11
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mango sentinel posted:the fact they haven't even given lip service to the trapped souls was the most disappointing thing about the finale. They did though. That was the thing that drove Tess crazy.
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May 22, 2014 02:30
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Maybe I'm crazy but isn't the main component of becoming a demon going to hell and having your humanity tortured out of you? Seems like Dean should just be Dean but with more of a murder boner and no chance of dying.
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May 22, 2014 04:08
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frgildan posted:Maybe I'm crazy but isn't the main component of becoming a demon going to hell and having your humanity tortured out of you? Seems like Dean should just be Dean but with more of a murder boner and no chance of dying. That kinda already happened to Dean. He was tortured until he took up doing the torturing. Sure he's been alive since, but I'm not sure that matters.
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May 22, 2014 04:15
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bull3964 posted:That kinda already happened to Dean. He was tortured until he took up doing the torturing. Sure he's been alive since, but I'm not sure that matters. That's the thing Dean seemed to have regained his humanity over that season by coming to grips with what he did. Just seemed like making a demon was a process that happened over time with torture and time in hell corrupting the soul. I mean one of the big things in season 5 was that God gave Sam and Dean a pass on everything and let them enter Heaven. If Deans soul was all messed up from Hell you figure that would have been taken care of before getting his all access pass. Also make me wonder if Dean is a full fledged demon can he gas cloud out of his body and if so does he take the mark with him?
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May 22, 2014 04:56
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bull3964 posted:They did though. That was the thing that drove Tess crazy. It was also the subject of Kevin as a ghost. He and the rest were all stuck in Limbo. It wasn't covered much but with Tess and Kevin it was absolutely given "lip service". And explaining that they were all trapped in Limbo explains why the world isn't just filled with ghosts (yet, if Kevin could get out then eventually others would like him and Bobby but they proved it takes time and effort). I had kind of lost interest this season. I only caught up with the show last week. The whole angel story just didn't captivate me. But this finale delivered like always. From "Carry On" a smile went on my face and that ending made me say "Woah!" like only Supernatural finales can. I'm once again excited for next season.
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jscolon2.0 posted:And now that Psych is off the air, I think Omundson has time to make some more appearances. He is in the new Medieval musical series as evil king - Gavalant or something. But that will probably be canceled during the first 10 minutes of the first episode, so he should have time later this year.
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May 22, 2014 07:08
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As much as I hate myself for saying it, I hope it doesn't get cancelled. He looks like he is having SO MUCH FUN in that role that I can't hate him for leaving the show 
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May 22, 2014 07:28
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frgildan posted:Maybe I'm crazy but isn't the main component of becoming a demon going to hell and having your humanity tortured out of you? Seems like Dean should just be Dean but with more of a murder boner and no chance of dying. Well, the mark being a punishment from God himself probably supersedes normal rules of demon making. Cain seemed level-headed for a millennial old demon, but he was a few centuries sober when Dean met him. Dean as a demon will probably be like a heroin addict. The First Blade's negative effects as a demon aren't lethal, but Dean's never been one for restraint. He'll lack his normal human appetites for food and porn, and instead just want to hurt people.
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May 22, 2014 07:57
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I'm sad that Gadreel is dead; I really liked the actor and was looking forward to him and Castiel, the man-baby and slightly less man-baby, crusading together while acquainting themselves with humanity. Crowley's speech at the end is probably the highlight of the season. It may of been a bit of a slog getting here, but he went from slimeball, to scumbag, to moustache-twirling supervillian, and finally to a bit of a tragic figure, much like Lucifer whose throne he's inherited (especially with the line about how "I never lied Dean. That's important... it's fundamental"). He really wants Dean beside him, who he connected with because they're such absolute opposites, to see the world through his eyes, because of the loneliness he raved about in last season's finale.
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May 22, 2014 08:14
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First Bass posted:I'm sad that Gadreel is dead; I really liked the actor and was looking forward to him and Castiel, the man-baby and slightly less man-baby, crusading together while acquainting themselves with humanity. What I liked about Tahmoh Penikett's portrayal was how stilted his speech was, much like someone locked up in prison, alone, for a few thousand years might speak. He still had that fundamental stiffness and grandeur because he hadn't had those millennia of exposure to other angels, humans, and demons to change who he was. I figured Dean would wake up as a demon, but I was really hoping he'd have something other than black eyes, just to really cement that he wasn't average.
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May 22, 2014 12:25
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Climbing the ladder of eye color. It would have been perfect if he woke up with yellow eyes. 
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Kruller posted:What I liked about Tahmoh Penikett's portrayal was how stilted his speech was, much like someone locked up in prison, alone, for a few thousand years might speak. He still had that fundamental stiffness and grandeur because he hadn't had those millennia of exposure to other angels, humans, and demons to change who he was. I thought that was how he always spoke in every role.
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pentyne posted:Dean as a demon will probably be like a heroin addict. The First Blade's negative effects as a demon aren't lethal, but Dean's never been one for restraint. He'll lack his normal human appetites for food and porn, and instead just want to hurt people. It would be hilarious if the writers have the balls to just start next season with Dean on a bloody rampage in Chicago. Use the first two episodes to wrap up the Bloodlines dangling threads, while also really pushing forward the "Dean has lost it" plot.
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First Bass posted:Climbing the ladder of eye color. I think I might have screamed if they were yellow. As it was there was a Keanu like "woooooah". Initial reaction to the finale was mostly blah. All I could think was "dead again? Well let's see Sam blow off ten seasons of development and try and sell his soul to save Dean". And while he wasn't successful, the fact that he'd summon Crowley to "fix Dean" is frustrating to me. Crowley, Cas, and Gadreel were the best parts of the episode. Everything else, but the last few minutes, left me pretty cold. Which makes me sad, as I like Metatron as a villain, and Dean going dark side is potentially very very interesting, it just..... Didn't do much for me.
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May 22, 2014 17:12
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It was nice to see Dean all bloody and beaten and poo poo, it's been a while.
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Something just occurred to me. Why not melt down a few angel blades and make some angel bullets? They've done it with other stuff before (plus the demon trap bullet), and I get a feeling Metatron might have had a different end if Sam had a clip full of angelblade metal in his gun. Maybe it wouldn't have killed him while he was on the tablet juice, but drat it it wouldn't put a hurting on him.
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cool kids inc. posted:And while he wasn't successful, the fact that he'd summon Crowley to "fix Dean" is frustrating to me. I really don't think Sam's intention was to sell his soul to Crowley to fix Dean though. It was mostly a "gently caress this" reaction. Crowley got him into this, they spared his life, he owes them one and Sam was going to make sure he paid up.
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May 22, 2014 18:06
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It does kind of wrap up the season though. I mean, it started with Sam possessed by an angel, it ends with Dean becoming a demon. A little symmetry there I guess.
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May 22, 2014 18:54
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Some one mentioned Sam being in charge of heaven, that plus my Dean in charge of hell would be really interesting. It would really go along the thing of it being their entire destiny thing from season 2.
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mcswizzle posted:Something just occurred to me. Why not melt down a few angel blades and make some angel bullets? They've done it with other stuff before (plus the demon trap bullet), and I get a feeling Metatron might have had a different end if Sam had a clip full of angelblade metal in his gun. Maybe it wouldn't have killed him while he was on the tablet juice, but drat it it wouldn't put a hurting on him. I think it would take something a bit more powerful then what Sam and Dean can get their hands on to smelt down a angel blade. Kind of a mount doom and the one ring scenario there. Yeah Crowley did it...but he is Crowley.
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Darth Freddy posted:I think it would take something a bit more powerful then what Sam and Dean can get their hands on to smelt down a angel blade. Kind of a mount doom and the one ring scenario there. Yeah Crowley did it...but he is Crowley. That's probably what I was thinking of when I said I thought they'd done something similar before. I forgot that they...actually did what I said already.
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All the ideas behind Sam curing Dean...it doesn't necessarily have to be someone taking the trials just a human with a clean sould or whatever. Cas is slowly losing his grace which means at some point he will become human again if that happens. It is a possibility.
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ProphetX posted:All the ideas behind Sam curing Dean...it doesn't necessarily have to be someone taking the trials just a human with a clean sould or whatever. Cas is slowly losing his grace which means at some point he will become human again if that happens. It is a possibility. They mentioned that if he let's his batteries run out without a recharge he would die, not necessarily turn into a human. I did make the distinction of not having to undertake the trials in order to cure a demon to my fiance when I was explaining what happened. The original Man of Letters did it and recorded it without any bearing on the gates of hell.
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May 22, 2014 20:40
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GreenNight posted:Maybe Dean has to demonize Cas to save him? If the show ended with all of them demonized hunters I think I'd be pretty okay with it.
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