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Seeing some interesting stuff that the Lib Dems are holding seats in their parliamentary constituencies that you wouldn't expect, including in Redcar and Birmingham Yardley. Meanwhile, in seats that they missed out on, like Rochdale, they've slumped ever since 2010. e: looks like Lib Dems are even gaining a seat or two, including in Holderness, regained off a defector to Labour. TinTower fucked around with this message at 02:19 on May 23, 2014 |
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May 23, 2014 02:25
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British people. Please finish up electing your ruling lizard person. The rest of the world needs to know who will be responsible for dealing with the "Irish threat".
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May 23, 2014 02:26
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^^Not what we are up to today, duck.IceAgeComing posted:argh Winston McKenzie is apparently following me: I switched to Radio 4 to avoid him and he's now on here He seems nice, calm, and considered. The three mains have clearly decided to close ranks and just claim its a protest, rather than people actually believing their shite. As we all knew tbh
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May 23, 2014 02:28
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The majority of people just vote on what they are used to eg 'im labour my father was labour' most don't even read the loving manifesto. I'm no clever person but i am capable of reading, just. I'm green because its the nearest fit to my worldview when you read what they want, far from perfect of course but what is. I'm listening to the results programme on BBC now and all i hear is 'ukip' every other word and no one saying what their policy's are and soundbites. its loving stupid and annoying and I'm going to turn the telly off now. Why cant anyone just campaign on real things? I just think we should put everything in the hands of an AI send every MP and counciler to work in the coal mines.
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May 23, 2014 02:36
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Seaside Loafer posted:I just think we should put everything in the hands of an AI send every MP and counciler to work in the coal mines. Who programmes the AI? 
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May 23, 2014 02:41
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Seaside Loafer posted:The majority of people just vote on what they are used to eg 'im labour my father was labour' most don't even read the loving manifesto. I'm no clever person but i am capable of reading, just. Hard to read a manifesto when none exists. You a touch squiffy and angry, loafer? E: excellent point, metalloaf. Time to download PowellThatcher.exe
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May 23, 2014 02:42
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Metal Loaf posted:Who programmes the AI? how about graham norton? Seaside Loafer fucked around with this message at 02:50 on May 23, 2014 |
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May 23, 2014 02:46
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Seaside Loafer posted:Well i am doing a second degree in AI so it might be possible if you want a pant shiting boozer machine running things. I would suggest someone a bit more sensible do it though. I would have been fine with Charlie Kennedy. E: Never seen this UKIP economics spokesperson, but he is the textbook definition of 'would slit your throat for a shilling' Trickjaw fucked around with this message at 02:59 on May 23, 2014 |
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May 23, 2014 02:50
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UKIP are rumoured to have won the popular vote in Rotherham.
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May 23, 2014 03:04
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So do we think we are now in a four party system?
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May 23, 2014 03:12
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Trickjaw posted:So do we think we are now in a four party system? European and Local elections yes, General elections no - it's too gerrymandered to have UKIP make dents
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May 23, 2014 03:16
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Trickjaw posted:So do we think we are now in a four party system? You reckon Lib Dems will survive? Seriously though gently caress this county to hell and gone.
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May 23, 2014 03:34
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Mister Adequate posted:You reckon Lib Dems will survive? That was what I meant. A choice between worst, bad, and bad lite. But in honesty, even if people did think it was a protest vote, they nay be spurred on to vote UKIP in the general. Not that they will do out, but even one MP is dangerous.
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May 23, 2014 03:41
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Trickjaw posted:So do we think we are now in a four party system? Not until UKIP get actual control of a couple of councils. So far they've just gained a few council seats which isn't that impressive compared to the amount of publicity they've been getting and the money they've spent, especially with people's willingness to vote for the fringe parties in council/EU elections (see a few years ago the BNP getting some council seats and then failing to do anything at a general).
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May 23, 2014 06:23
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Ok, someone explain this to me - the BBC is showing Labour +83 seats, Con down 80 odd, LD down 80 odd and UKIP up 86. Yet the headline is 'UKIP stealing seats from the tories and labour'... Why aren't they saying anything about Labour gaining seats?!
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May 23, 2014 06:29
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haakman posted:Ok, someone explain this to me - the BBC is showing Labour +83 seats, Con down 80 odd, LD down 80 odd and UKIP up 86. Yet the headline is 'UKIP stealing seats from the tories and labour'... You're off-message, son. You call that an angle??
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May 23, 2014 06:56
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ThomasPaine posted:Probably a stupid question but why don't they use pens (like the little ones in betting shops), just to avoid stupid accusations of this kind. polls are open for 15 hours. bookies pens are so poo poo they don't even last that. pencils are cheap, easy and work. you're trying to over engineer a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. someone paranoid enough to believe that s massive conspiracy is erasing their votes and filling in another cross (please ignore the marks left behind) is always just going to latch on to something else so there's no point in trying to out crazy them.
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May 23, 2014 07:16
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Beeb is now saying "UKIP's support surges as Tories lose seats and Labour makes modest gains in English local elections, with most results still to come. " So they're finally accepting that Labour isn't being given a drubbing, but they're winning more seats than UKIP are. I can accept that the UKIP gains are more dramatic given the relative sizes of the two parties, but still. There's a definite showing of support for UKIP, but there's also a huge showing of support for Labour, so I don't think this proves that the inevitable swing to the right that will follow is justified.
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May 23, 2014 07:17
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haakman posted:Ok, someone explain this to me - the BBC is showing Labour +83 seats, Con down 80 odd, LD down 80 odd and UKIP up 86. Yet the headline is 'UKIP stealing seats from the tories and labour'... the news always over-emphasises the novel. the main opposition party gaining seats is expected; always happens. it'd be news if labour weren't. also there's a narrative been constructed over the last year or so, so anything fitting into that gets played up. i went to sleep in a conservative council, and woke up in a labour one. happy days. victory to the people.
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May 23, 2014 07:20
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Pencils also make a much larger and more definite mark, and don't potentially leak and produce redundant marks. Rumours saying that Labour have finally got their poo poo together in Tower Hamlets and may regain both the council and the Mayoralty, but multiple recounts (and accusations of massive fraud in every direction) in several wards mean this could run and run.
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May 23, 2014 07:29
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ThomasPaine posted:Christ I can't take my eyes off UKIP guy's tie. Purple and yellow is not a good look, why the hell are those their colours. He looks like he should be running a greasy beach arcade in Blackpool. UKIP's logo just looks like a budget supermarket.  Pictured: Ivor Biggun, Standing at the Back Dressed Stupidly and Looking Stupid Party. quote:Their policies include
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May 23, 2014 07:44
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There were so many split ballots today, a lot of them with totally bizarre voting preferences. People were voting UKIP and green, UKIP and Lib Dem etc. When I left, I think 5 wards had been announced and every single one went Lib Dem (in a staunchly Lib Dem controlled London borough, probably the only one left after this election), as UKIP had split the tory vote. The Lib Dem councillors were all getting above 1k votes, Tories below that in the hundreds (there is practically no Labour presence at all here).
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May 23, 2014 07:47
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Michael Gove is on the telly saying "We need to gently caress the poors much harder to counter the UKIP threat".
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May 23, 2014 07:49
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I hope Nate Silver covers the elections next year because relying on the BBC for coverage is poo poo. Give me graphs, exit polls etc.
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May 23, 2014 07:58
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Lib Dem parliamentary fucks have pissed away Portsmouth Council and it looks like it'll be a UKIP/Tory coalition.
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May 23, 2014 07:59
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The one good side of this is that there'll be years of ukip councillors slowly being sacked for horrendous racist statements, which will at least be funny
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May 23, 2014 08:20
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They're discussing the Thailand coup on BBC breakfast tv. The main concern of the presenters is how badly the 10pm curfew will spoil British tourist's nights out and whether they'll be able to claim any compensation from their holiday firms. Never change, breakfast tv, never change!
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haakman posted:Ok, someone explain this to me - the BBC is showing Labour +83 seats, Con down 80 odd, LD down 80 odd and UKIP up 86. Yet the headline is 'UKIP stealing seats from the tories and labour'... Labour got hammered in the last round of local elections and needed to come back strongly to position themselves well for 2015. Ideally, they were hoping to gain ~500 seats; anything less than 300 would have been a bit of a disaster and would suggest that they're not capable of winning a majority in 2015. As it stands, they've gained ~100 seats with around one third of the results in, so they're right at the bottom end of the 'acceptable' range. Worse for them, UKIP have been picking up seats in places that should be natural Labour territory, such as Rotherham. That's hurting Labour's seat count and reducing their ability to take overall control of councils. Basically, while both Labour and UKIP appear to be picking up seats at around the same rate, Labour are performing below expectations while UKIP are overperforming.
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Umiapik posted:They're discussing the Thailand coup on BBC breakfast tv. The main concern of the presenters is how badly the 10pm curfew will spoil British tourist's nights out and whether they'll be able to claim any compensation from their holiday firms. Given some of the pictures I saw yesterday of people slaughtered in Syria, I feel a little guilty being so upset with some bigots getting a bit of power, but still its depressing.
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Seaside Loafer posted:The majority of people just vote on what they are used to eg 'im labour my father was labour' most don't even read the loving manifesto. I'm no clever person but i am capable of reading, just. Maybe we are all tired of voting for our fathers party. These are pretty exciting results. A clear message is being sent to the main three. UKIP is now a party to be reckoned with, and Nigel has exactly one year to get the extreme right wing cloud that has been following them around dissipated and become even more 'for the people'. Myrddin_Emrys fucked around with this message at 09:22 on May 23, 2014 |
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Trickjaw posted:DesperateDan, welcome your new UKIP councillor in Sarfend. Where Basildon leads, Southend follows Burn everything burn it right down nuke the cities salt the earth leave warnings to our progeny never to enter the realm of basildon man. I knew it was going to happen though, the place is overflow from Eastbourne for old people waiting to die, and a bunch of white flight from london/suburbs, and hence there's a fuckload of bigots that always voted tory. Over the last 10 years or so, some run down areas (westcliff, hamlet court road) that had been deserted have been filled with lovely diverse communities, bigots get angry at the incumbent tory MP's (one toes party line 100%, the other is David Amess, of "cake" fame and well known for running away from reporters to hide in hairdressers) doing nothing about all these funny talking and looking people, and vote bnp in blazers. Add to that, the local council is heavily corrupt even by local council standards, and lots of cash meant for social buildings/access got wasted on absolute bullshit projects carried out under overpriced contracts by contracting companies with heavy links to the councillors, such as repaving the high street about a dozen times, or the abomination that is the road along the seafront now (no official crossings down the entire stretch, people have to chance traffic or hope people stop). About another 20 years and this place might have a chance, I knock it a lot, but I love the near 24/7 availability of decent curried goat
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:Maybe we are all tired of voting for our fathers party.
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tooterfish posted:'for the people, just not those people.' So far I have seen three Asian UKIP members standing for a seat and one African descent. Are 'they' the people you refer too? I am pretty sure a white supremacist party would not have coloureds? I don't know maybe im stupid, could you explain it to me please? Or are you part of the ignorant scare mongering brigade that doesn't like change? Even a Labour MP stated this morning that this smear campaign will have to stop now as UKIP needs to be taken seriously and worked with from now on. Myrddin_Emrys fucked around with this message at 09:41 on May 23, 2014 |
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:coloureds
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:So far I have seen three Asian UKIP members standing for a seat and one African descent. Are 'they' the people you refer too? I am pretty sure a white supremacist party would not have coloureds? I don't know maybe im stupid, could you explain it to me please? Or are you part of the ignorant scare mongering brigade that doesn't like change? Even a Labour MP stated this morning that this smear campaign will have to stop now as UKIP needs to be taken seriously and worked with from now on. Who said anything about White supremacy? You can be racist and xenophobic without being white supremacist. The FN has "coloureds" (what the hell?) members as well, that doesn't make them any less xenophobic shits.
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:Nigel has exactly one year to get the extreme right wing cloud that has been following them around dissipated and become even more 'for the people'. Whenever UKIP float a policy idea that's not related to the EU or general immigration it's some fringe Libertarian idea borrowed from the US. It'll be interesting to see whether the protest votes stick with them when you have Farage talking about legalising handguns and Keith Rowe banging on about scrapping nearly every piece of employment legislation we have. They've managed to avoid being challenged on anything other than their stance on the EU and immigration, having to talk about their actual policies won't endear them to many.
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Youre reaching friend, your reaching.
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:So far I have seen three Asian UKIP members standing for a seat and one African descent. Are 'they' the people you refer too? I am pretty sure a white supremacist party would not have coloureds? I don't know maybe im stupid, could you explain it to me please? Or are you part of the ignorant scare mongering brigade that doesn't like change? Even a Labour MP stated this morning that this smear campaign will have to stop now as UKIP needs to be taken seriously and worked with from now on.  Obviously the BNP can't be racist, they have a black person in the party! e: Sorry, I meant a coloured.
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