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It might be best to think of this as an apprenticeship and introduction to the various merchants? He is making it known we are his friend, essentially, and that he has an interest in the caravan. It should be noted that we don't have to lie about the ultimate source of anything. We just need to say it belongs to Avram now; we can very easily say that we are here to keep an eye on the minotaur and to see Baitel. As well as escort the son of the King of Zepath who recently saved a child from cannibals. Also the other son of the King of Zepath, who has a reputation for beating a demon to death with his bare hands.
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Vavrek posted:I support all of this except 2. Wasn't the path to that door under the Temple of the Melachim, and said temple reduced to rubble? I don't remember. However, it is quite important we check on this. Why? It's a loving nest of demons UNDER Zepath. We're leaving for a year plus. Jesus christ this is such a bad idea. We can ask the temple of Baitel what the gently caress is up with the demons under Zepath. Apparently they send priests out to check on all demon sightings. Oh poo poo we should ask Zebanetha. Yo Zeb what's up with the demons under Zepath?
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Lanky Coconut Tree posted:I don't remember. However, it is quite important we check on this. Why? Our main man Ishamel handled it. No need to worry. Serious.
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You mean the insane old man who castrated us? Wait what did me and Tsyni switch places?
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Lmfao no wonder we don't get any fuckin miracles or approval from EL any more, yall are polluting Enki's mind with dangerous sentiment ~metagaming~ I wonder if Dio would be mad if we expressed all ~*~bad~*~ sentiments in spoiler tags and were nothing but perfect lil EL choirboys in the thread.
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Diogines posted:"El is the beginning and the end. He made the sun, moon, stars, the earth beneath your feet, the air in your lungs, your flesh, your spirit and all of the good things of your life. He causes the sun to rise and to set and the rain to come in it's season. Each bird which falls, falls where he wills it. We are his children and as we obey his good, just and righteous teachings, so shall we prosper. As we turn from his eternal, perfect wisdom, we and those we love shall not prosper. He is your father, ever looking over your shoulder, judging your decisions, hoping that you make the right ones, filled with pride when you do and sadness when you fail to live up to his standards."  DADDY FOUNDWe are sorry for the many times we have made him sad. Our bad, and it looks like we are about to do it some more with our ADD morality and personality traits.
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Lanky Coconut Tree posted:Lmfao no wonder we don't get any fuckin miracles or approval from EL any more, yall are polluting Enki's mind with dangerous sentiment I have no preference. Also. The only meta gaming is using modern day knowledge to create a technological revolution in not-Mesopotamia. Everything else is fair game. WhiteOutMouse posted:
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Affi posted:You mean the insane old man who castrated us? Wait what did me and Tsyni switch places? I keep seeing this referred to as 'getting our balls chopped off' and 'castrated.' We still have our balls and all that that entails. The guy didn't geld us; he gave us a magic vasectomy.
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Cornuto posted:I keep seeing this referred to as 'getting our balls chopped off' and 'castrated.' We still have our balls and all that that entails. The guy didn't geld us; he gave us a magic vasectomy. You wouldn't swear a blood feud against the doctor who gave you a vasectomy? 
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It took two and a half weeks but you and your Balls have successfully captured a minotaur. The first two forced you to kill, the third you killed by mistake. The fourth was a smaller one, weaker and thus easier to chain. The fact you are almost nine feet tall and have strength far superior to what your frame would indicate might help. You smacked it in the chest with your shield and then pinned it down while your Mighty Sons chained it. Whooooah boy was it pissed off. But you did successfully chain it, cage it and have it ready to go. Many in Zepath came to gawk at it before you left. You decided to go via Tanaach. Speaking of leaving... You haggled with Avram, he laughed and said "Who can deny such a fair deal, so well spoken? So it shall be, 10%!" Avram will come along and claim 10% of the total silver. In exchange, he will move the caravan under his banner and pretend to own the goods, this way you are not overtaxed by petty kings or screwed by merchants who think they can pull a fast one on you. Your Balls will claim credit to have actually obtained the offerings, you came along as protection from Avram, who you sold everything to. Some cities along the way do not have taxes, Avram will take down his banner when you pass through those, so you can get more recognition, your Mighty Sons demanded that and wouldn't budge. A number of young Zepathan men want to come with you, many of those who did Manhood trials the "real" way, or at least, closer to the traditional way than was common until recently. They want to make a pilgrimage to the House of El. A trip to Baitel is long and almost none of them never have a realistic chance in their lives to go. Most of them probably can't afford it either. Taking them with you will slow you down. Yet leading a band of pilgrims will be prestigious and having a larger band of your fellow Zepathans with you might help you deal with the whole "Who is this cannibal?" questions, cementing your identity as a Zepathan. Not a giant cannibal.  Your current group contains: You Snarls Danal 30 Balls of Labaras, including Paebel. Your servant Gaddiel 10 other slaves and servants. 20 donkeys. Avram and 4 of his guards. 1. Do you want to take the Pilgrims with you? A. Yes. But only the rich ones who I won't have to provide for. This should net me about 20 pilgrims. I can expect to add maybe about four weeks to my trip each way? B. Yes. I will take the ones who can pay their way AND those who look like they are in great shape and won't slow me down as much. This should net me about 35 pilgrims. I can expect to add about six weeks to my trip each way? About -10 pounds of silver or so. C. Yes. I will take any young men who wants to go. Even if they probably can't afford to feed themselves. This will probably earn me brownie points in Baitel and be seen as pious, but I will have to buy extra supplies. This should net me about sixty pilgrims. I can expect to add about eight weeks to my trip each way. -15 pounds of silver D. Yes. But I only take those who completed the hardest of manhood trials. They deserve special recognition. That should net me about 10 pilgrims. I can expect to add maybe two weeks to my trip and spend about -8 pounds of silver? I can't know for sure. Ea. No. I take none. Eb. Something else. Fill in. Many people wish to die Baitel. It is considered holy to die in the shadow of Mount Har and that the climb up will be easier if you do. Men come from across Ur to die there if they can, there is an immense cemetery beyond the walls, usually only the very rich, or those in nearby cities are actually able to make the trip. Men from places as far as Zepath almost never make it. A number of old men want to join your caravan, to spend their final days in Baitel. It would be considered a pious and holy thing to take them with you.  2. Do you want to take any old men with you? F. No. G. Yes. Only the ones who can pay for themselves though. This will add an additional month and a half to my trip. Still, it will be seen as very pious. About fifteen old men will probably come, as well as perhaps ten or so relatives who want to take care of them. H. Yes. I will take any old folks who want to come who are not completely crippled. It is tough to know how many will want to, but it surely won't be more than thirty or so. You can expect to spend perhaps -15 pounds of silver. There won't be much of an extra delay over option G above, you will be going as slowly as the slowest of them moves anyway. I. I will even take the cripples. This is going to be a mess logistically, but I do it for El. People in Baitel will surley take notes if I do this. J. Something else, fill in. How much extra silver to bring tied last time and since it may be relevant to this round, we will vote again on it. A trip to Baitel and back should take a year or so, minus whatever time is spent stopped in any given place. Your household finances in your absence will probably cost about ten pounds of silver? Your sources of annual income bring in a bit more than that. You have 65 pounds of silver. You have been cautioned that Kings in the inner cities sometimes charge tolls and taxes on caravans and some you may need to bribe. The bones you bring are highly valuable as well. 3. How much extra silver do you bring with you? This amount will INCLUDE the silver you will need for questions 1 or 2. K. Ten pounds. L. Twenty pounds M. Thirty pounds. N. Forty pounds. O. Fifty pounds. P. None. I take no extra silver along. Q. Something else. Fill in. Your friend the merchant Agammamenon asked you to find a wife in Baitel for his grand nephew, your Ball, Benaiah. He offered you twenty pounds of silver to cover expenses related to this task. Are you willing to do so? It would mean transporting an extra woman back from Baitel. 4. Do you accept? R. Yes. S. No. You can question anyone in Zepath about these decisions that you like. When you spoke to Tudiya to consider the requests he said "I leave it to you. I send you to Baitel to find a wife for your brother and make a pilgrimage to the House of El. It could be more for you to manage if you took those beside your Balls, experienced men of the wilds now, but holy of you if you did." Ishamal told you that "It won't be easy. Not at all, they will have to ride donkeys almost the whole way, but it would be a kindness you if you can manage to take the old men." Your Balls are split on whether or not to take the old men. They are for the most part, in favor of taking the other Pilgrims, as long as they are not slowed down too much. We will get to the consequences of your other decisions, such as Ruth and Bagar, in the next update when you actually go. As well as some information from Tudiya on what he wants you to do in Baitel and some words of wisdom from others you know. If you want to, feel free to join us on irc #madgod on synirc.net. The channel tends to always have some people in it and is especially active when updates go up. If you do not know what IRC is, here is a web based chat version which will not require you to register or download anything: http://chat.mibbit.com/ Diogines fucked around with this message at 14:36 on May 23, 2014 |
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1. B (e: still B. even with the cost) 2. F 3. M 4. R We'll be taking one woman back with us at the very least, it probably won't hurt to take two. BHB fucked around with this message at 12:52 on May 23, 2014 |
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I left the silver cost off option B, I had to edit it in.
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Diogines posted:I left the silver cost off option B, I had to edit it in. Also it looks like Danal isn't coming on his own pilgrimage. 
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Fixed >< And now off to work!
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1. D. gently caress off if you didn't do a proper manhood trial like us or our main bro Danal. 2. H. Mercy is never misplaced, blah blah. Basically this is the absolutely best thing we could do for someone from Zepath in their whole life. And the young guys, we can do them a kindness in the rest of their lives, these old men will receive this kindness as the absolute last thing they receive. 3. O. 4. R You forgot the minotaur in the caravan list! Also Dio you seem to have missed my list of stuff we should do. Or do I need to badger more people into voting for it it seemed pretty popular.
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1. Do you want to take the Pilgrims with you? D. Yes. But I only take those who completed the hardest of manhood trials. They deserve special recognition. That should net me about 10 pilgrims. I can expect to add maybe two weeks to my trip and spend about -8 pounds of silver? I can't know for sure. 2. Do you want to take any old men with you? H. Yes. I will take any old folks who want to come who are not completely crippled. It is tough to know how many will want to, but it surely won't be more than thirty or so. You can expect to spend perhaps -15 pounds of silver. There won't be much of an extra delay over option B above, you will be going as slowly as the slowest of them moves anyway. 3. How much extra silver do you bring with you? This amount will INCLUDE the silver you will need for questions 1 or 2. M. Thirty pounds. Your friend the merchant Agammamenon asked you to find a wife in Baitel for his grand nephew, your Ball, Benaiah. He offered you twenty pounds of silver to cover expenses related to this task. Are you willing to do so? It would mean transporting an extra woman back from Baitel. 4. Do you accept? R. Yes. We should soothe our Balls that, while the trip would take longer, our taking of the old men to die in Baitel would surely be seen well by those who live on that mountain.
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HiHo ChiRho posted:1. Do you want to take the Pilgrims with you? I like this man's plan. +1 for me.
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1) C - All aboard...- Bring everyone who wants to go. 2) H - ...the Enkidel train- Bring all the greybeards who aren't crippled. Sorry, if you can't move you can't come. Bringing as many people as we can (young, old, strong, weak) will allow Enkidel to shed the "He's a savage!" angle much more quickly with the Baitians (?). Our goal is go get Danal (and Benaiah) hitched, and represent Zepath to the most civilized city in the world - NOT to be showered in glory and riches (though that is a great side goal for us and our Balls). When we bring 30 Balls, 60 young men, 30 old men, tons of offerings, oh and a LIVE MINOTAUR, people are going to quickly get over the color of his skin. The sooner they start seeing Enkidel as a hero of men, the much more easily he and Danal are accepted - let's get Danal a bride from the cream of the crop (and Benaiah a girl better than he would likely get on his own). 3) O - Fifty Pounds - 15 for the young men, 15 for the greybeards, 20 for us, leaving 15 with Naomi. With Avram on our side, and oh a LIVE MINOTAUR, I am guessing our tolls will likely be half the 20 we set aside for it. Heck, we may even pick up a bride price in Taanach if Rimush forces us to marry Keturah. Win-win! 4) R - Bring Benaiah to Baitel with our Balls and get him a Bride - he's proven himself after initially wanting nothing to do with fighting ways, and without Agg, where would we be? Of coruse we get him a bride. Maybe we can have Hangover style shennanigans! Is that a LIVE MINOTAUR? Ask Tudiya what his trip to Baitel was like when his father sent him. Task Manager fucked around with this message at 13:28 on May 23, 2014 |
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1. Eb- Take the rich ones and the fat ones. Fewer supplies for us to take! If they must call us a cannibal, might as well as be one! 2. G- The rich ones! We can bury their bones near the mountain, but they will be the first to be eaten. Pure profit! 3. M 4. R
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Ask Tudiya if he would be willing to help pay any of the costs of getting the pilgrims to Baitel, if we choose to take them. He could help show his piety and get some of the glory if he were so inclined. Ask Zebanetha if the Temple might help subsidize some of the costs if we turn this trip into a holy pilgrimage.
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C H L R Money is a matter for merchants and kings. We will do the work of El and he will protect and provide.
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We should also do Lanky coconuts proposals. Only with a twist. Since we Won't have time to properly do it all lets just do it all at the same time!
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Neraren posted:Ask Tudiya if he would be willing to help pay any of the costs of getting the pilgrims to Baitel, if we choose to take them. He could help show his piety and get some of the glory if he were so inclined. I'd rather us not go around the city asking others for money.
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1. C 2. I 3. O 4. R We have faced demons and monsters, we will not balk in the face of tricky logistics! The young and the old, the hale and the cripple, any pious soul who wishes to go up to the House of El in Baitel shall travel under the protection of Enkidel, son of Tudiya king in Zepath, of the House of Zepa, of the Blood of Labaras! Any who wish it, let him come! For EL turns away no-one and neither will we! ELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!
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1. D. 2. H. 3. N. 4. R. This pretty much sums it up. Offer special recognition to those who deserve it by taking them with us to Baitel. Be cool to old men because they are old men, this is their last chance at glory, and mercy is never misplaced. Do Agammamenon and Benaiah a solid. Show up to Baitel with a bunch of Zepathans and make dispel the "Oh look a cannibal" as much as possible. Be cool. Be pious. Be awesome. I hope people will especially take notice of D, because it's a way to recognize and reward dudes for being awesome, which is a cool thing I think we should be doing.
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1. C 2. H 3. Q. Leave 25 pounds of silver at home, take the rest with us. I don't want to do your crazy backwards math where we prioritize how much we bring over how much we leave for Naomi. 4. R Mercy is never misplaced. Who cares if the extra people slow us down, it'll make those kings that WOULD charge us tolls that less pious: they'd be effectively messing with a pilgrimage.
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Half-wit posted:it'll make those kings that WOULD charge us tolls that less pious: they'd be effectively messing with a pilgrimage. This is a good point, I wonder if we could get out of a bunch of tolls and taxes this way. 
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Cornuto posted:I'd rather us not go around the city asking others for money. It's not going around the city, it's the two people who would have a vested interest in helping the pious. Tudiya would get acclaim, and Zebanetha would get worship. It's as much an opportunity for them as it is us.
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Neraren posted:It's not going around the city, it's the two people who would have a vested interest in helping the pious. Tudiya would get acclaim, and Zebanetha would get worship. It's as much an opportunity for them as it is us. Tudiya is rich but ehhh. Don't go running to dad to fund everything. We can manage on our own.
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Lanky Coconut Tree posted:Also Dio you seem to have missed my list of stuff we should do. Or do I need to badger more people into voting for it it seemed pretty popular. Task Manager posted:Ask Tudiya what his trip to Baitel was like when his father sent him. Neraren posted:Ask Tudiya if he would be willing to help pay any of the costs of getting the pilgrims to Baitel, if we choose to take them. He could help show his piety and get some of the glory if he were so inclined. If the Temple of El in Zepath pays for them, the House of El will know, detracting a bit from your glory. If Tudiya paid for them, and you are pretty sure he would if asked, he would know and be a little less impressed than if you did it in your own. You would also be more worthy in El's eyes to do it yourself. You can't be certain of exactly how much you will make, but you stand to personally profit a few hundred pounds of silver by the end. Your Balls all plan to come back rich. This can likely finance you and your Balls for many years, or buy much better gear, possibly both. A Seir bow.. ridiculously expensive is probably still out of reach but Chait said a "cheap"(still ludicrously expensive) knockoff can probably be bought in Baitel... You have a realistic chance to get a bow fit for a Mighty Man, something you once though if not impossible, than grossly improbable. Diogines fucked around with this message at 00:11 on May 24, 2014 |
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Arkanomen posted:C H L R Money is a matter for merchants and kings. We will do the work of El and he will protect and provide. voting for this, I don't care a/b enkidel's personal profit and don't want to play as an investment banker.
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NO to asking for monetary assistance. We have enough to get by, so does Naomi, it will gain us a lot more prestige doing it on our own, and worst case if Naomi goes broke she can hit up Daddy for a loan. All that causes is a slight dip in respect in Tudiya's eyes - while we would still get all the Baitian praise we can handle. Edit: I think it has been awhile since we last checked- does Snarls fit the Barkof Dog armor yet? If not, is it getting close? Task Manager fucked around with this message at 14:25 on May 23, 2014 |
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I'm not sure if this had been covered already, but do we know what minotaurs eat? Will we be able to keep this thing alive for 6 months+?
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1. B 2. H 3. M 4. R - One extra woman won't be that bad(remind me of this when Benaiah picks the one that needs like 30 huge boxes of stuff to come with her) On the topic of money, I think that in the end, doing El's good work will profit us in greater ways that will be well worth the money thrown in. Plus if we're likely to make a few hundred anyway, it's worth it to slow down a bit on the way there. No to asking for monetary help for the trip
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Lanky Coconut Tree posted:We should get a list of things to check on in Zepath going. Shameless quote. I vote for all of this. You guys should too. Needs more support before Dio approves it. Like, 10 more votes or something I dunno.
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1. D. Eh. I like the idea of bringing people in abstract, but the idea of delaying our return longer than necessary? Given Ruth and Bagar…well, this seems like the next best compromise. 2. I. …son of a whore, I can't turn down last wishes. And who is in more need of aid than the crippled? 3. N. Looks like we're gonna need at least a decent reserve to survive this…we've already knocked half or more of it out. 4. R. Huh. That could help defray expenses, improve relations with Ag (we do owe him a lot), and how much longer would an extra woman cost us, timewise? By the way, guys, calling it now - Ruth and Bagar are going to insist on coming with us (or more accurately Danal) come hell or high water or be inconsolable, and Tudiya is going to throw a shitfit about the idea of them coming with us. We really should have delayed at least a little. Ask Ishamal: Am I gonna have to carry you on a donkey to Baitel one day? Ask Danal what he thinks about taking the old men and the pilgrims. Ask Agamemnon what kind of woman he's looking for. Ask Benaiah, too. Ask Naomi how much of a silver reserve she'd be comfortable with. Ask Tudiya if bringing the pilgrims and the old men might, hypothetically, outweigh the social impact of taking Bagar.
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