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Kegluneq posted:I think we need to sit down and think about how having Harrison Ford in the sequel is a really stupid idea. First Prometheus, and now this. Is Scott trying to completely destroy his own legacy? If he tries to remake The Duelists I swear I'll lose my loving poo poo, I might even send him a stern letter.
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Metal Loaf posted:I'm keen to see the Northern Ireland results, though owing to our typically slightly-higher turnout compared to the rest of the UK, it tends to take about longer to count. This thread has a reputation for being against dissenting opinions but frankly drat near every "dissenting opinion" that gets criticism gets it because said posters are outright fascists or on a windup. NI21 are a hell of a lot better than the UUP, so you've got that going for you 
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Calico Heart posted:While I always like seeing Conservatives lose seats, the fact that so many of them have been sucked up by UKIP really suggests the British right is becoming more extreme. And that honestly terrifies me. Nah, its better this way. It's better to give the fucknuts a little power now so that they gently caress it up as they will eventually do while everyone is watching. Rather than having them just take it all in one swoop, which would be the truly terrifying part.
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hookerbot 5000 posted:A good day to bury bad (or at east embarassing) news; looks like there's a 'fundamental reorganisation' of universal credit being announced. Yeah, I saw this too: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/23/universal-credit-reset-iain-duncan-smith Completely typical of the slimy coward to try and sneak the news out on election results day.
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May 23, 2014 12:06
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happyhippy posted:Nah, its better this way. I agree with this. UKIP have shown that whenever anyone but Farage is given airtime, they utterly choke. The worry isn't them pulling away tories, it's them pulling Labour seats with their faux-leftist anti-immigration spiel. While they've taken some Labour seats, Labour made bigger gains, so the long line of clusterfucks they've been part of is showing its effect. Farage is absolutely the only thing going for the party. Anyone except hardline racists wouldn't give time of day to anyone else in their ranks, so giving them any responsibility and airtime will just serve to push away the voters they want to get from Labour/Libdem before the GE. So it's massive Tory/Libdem losses, Labour hoovering some extra seats, and UKIP given a year to riddle their feet with bullets. I'm still confident of a Labour majority in the GE, now just got to figure out a way for Greens to become relevant.
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tooterfish posted:Must say, this slipped entirely under my radar. Looking at the reviews for the book on which they're basing this, you've got to ask... what are they thinking?  Renaissance Robot posted:Hey man you can't just call people racist, that's rude, because racist is a bad word. Apologise immediately! (I have no idea when this started by the way, has it always been verboten in politics to make a factual statement about someone else's character if the fact is that they're poo poo?)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzPBn5SLcxE 
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May 23, 2014 12:09
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Spangly A posted:I agree with this. UKIP have shown that whenever anyone but Farage is given airtime, they utterly choke. The worry isn't them pulling away tories, it's them pulling Labour seats with their faux-leftist anti-immigration spiel. While they've taken some Labour seats, Labour made bigger gains, so the long line of clusterfucks they've been part of is showing its effect. Basically everyone should be hoping that they get no MPs and that Farage follows through with his promise to resign. Also the Greens will be relevant if they stop being so firmly anti-science. Between this thread and my own friends there's clearly a huge chunk of support they could grab if only they weren't so woo.
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May 23, 2014 12:13
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Spangly A posted:This thread has a reputation for being against dissenting opinions but frankly drat near every "dissenting opinion" that gets criticism gets it because said posters are outright fascists or on a windup. The thing is, in Northern Ireland we're really, really bad at politics. If our politicians weren't spending the 1980s campaigning to "Save Ulster from Sodomy" or some such rubbish, they were probably shooting police officers.
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May 23, 2014 12:23
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mfcrocker posted:Basically everyone should be hoping that they get no MPs and that Farage follows through with his promise to resign. They're democratic and they've got entrenched hippy support. They need to gut the animal testing ban stance at least, because even if they do manage to get a groundswell going that will be stopped dead by the papers when they realise it means we basically turn off medical science. Metal Loaf posted:The thing is, in Northern Ireland we're really, really bad at politics. If our politicians weren't spending the 1980s campaigning to "Save Ulster from Sodomy" or some such rubbish, they were probably shooting police officers. Hah, I know. See, if Stormont decided to create Ireland, you'd have the best President in world politics right now! Alas. How's Belfast anyway, any reaction to Mr Adams case? I'm not going this year.
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Is there any chance that the Tories and Labour will let up a bit on their anti-immigration spiel now? I know that UKIP's rise seems like it would make them redouble their efforts, but nobody would take UKIP the slightest bit seriously if mainstream parties hadn't been blaming all the country's ills on foreigners and the EU for the last few years.
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May 23, 2014 12:34
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Venmoch posted:Its not all bad. My local district managed to vote two Labour councillors (OK, its not great but its not the Conservatives or UKIP!) Plus the Conservatives lost 7 councilleors (and UKIP only gained 5!) If you are under Amess you have my sympathies, went to school with his son, who got 6 years for nearly killing a guy in a nightclub (I think it was bakers bar) by battering him with a full bottle of champagne from behind and lying about it all till cctv footage surfaced. It can be really nice here, some of the parks are great (when people aren't getting stabbed or shot in them), it is just mainly a lot of the people living around here are arseholes and it drags the whole experience down.
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May 23, 2014 12:40
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Spangly A posted:Alas. How's Belfast anyway, any reaction to Mr Adams case? I'm not going this year. Adams has retreated from the headlines for the time being; the elections and, to some extent the implosion of NI21 are the stories of the day. However, the PSNI have requested more information from the Boston College Belfast project so we shall have to wait and see how things turn out. I'm sure there will be more after the election. To be honest, though, I haven't been paying too much attention to local politics lately. I've been trying to get started on my dissertation and it's tough going, so as you can imagine, that's taken up a lot of my time these past few days.
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May 23, 2014 12:47
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Does anyone remember which thread it was where [I think it was] Brown Moses posted that Australian anti-immigration comic with commentary? I was talking about immigration with my sister and she cited Australia as an ideal example without knowing about the whole concentration camp thing, and I'd like to link her to it.
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May 23, 2014 12:53
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Spangly A posted:They're democratic and they've got entrenched hippy support. They need to gut the animal testing ban stance at least, because even if they do manage to get a groundswell going that will be stopped dead by the papers when they realise it means we basically turn off medical science. I know how the Greens work, it's just someone needs to speak at conference and go "yeah, we could actually do some huge loving good if we give up on these policies. Think about it mates"
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May 23, 2014 12:54
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big scary monsters posted:Is there any chance that the Tories and Labour will let up a bit on their anti-immigration spiel now? Almost certainly the exact opposite.
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May 23, 2014 13:01
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Metal Loaf posted:The thing is, in Northern Ireland we're really, really bad at politics. If our politicians weren't spending the 1980s campaigning to "Save Ulster from Sodomy" or some such rubbish, they were probably shooting police officers. Hey fellow Nordie. We are not bad, it's just its either vote for steaming chunky poo poo, or steaming liquid poo poo. Either stick up a flag and sing lovely songs, or stick up another flag and sing other lovely songs. Also gently caress the economy, the other side is getting away with something trivial!
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mfcrocker posted:I know how the Greens work, it's just someone needs to speak at conference and go "yeah, we could actually do some huge loving good if we give up on these policies. Think about it mates" Yeah I figured, I just meant that because of the legacy support they have it's going to be loving hard work. I've got a few full-blown hippy friends who vote green and asking them to give up their position on nuclear or GMOs, despite them having absolutely no evidence to support their stances, is something I wouldn't even try to bring up. Nature is their Big Other (I watched Perverts Guide last night). Honestly we'd need something like an organised socialist party infiltration if we're seriously talking about them accelerating into mainstream.
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big scary monsters posted:Is there any chance that the Tories and Labour will let up a bit on their anti-immigration spiel now? I know that UKIP's rise seems like it would make them redouble their efforts, but nobody would take UKIP the slightest bit seriously if mainstream parties hadn't been blaming all the country's ills on foreigners and the EU for the last few years. Well, I've just seen Ed Balls on the news, banging on about immigration levels and benefits being funnelled out of the country etc etc etc, so probably not.
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Party Boat posted:Re: UKIP, has anyone considered the fact that their website describes them as "non-racist"? Does any other party's site make that claim? Check and mate lefties Oh god, you sound like my dad. "Do you know which is the only party to ban former BNP members from joining?" "Yes, UKIP." "Yes, interesting, don't you think?" "No, because they're full of poo poo."
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Umiapik posted:benefits being funnelled out of the country This is a new lie, I'm glad they finally merged SKIVERS and IMMIGRANTS properly.
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DesperateDan posted:If you are under Amess you have my sympathies, went to school with his son, who got 6 years for nearly killing a guy in a nightclub (I think it was bakers bar) by battering him with a full bottle of champagne from behind and lying about it all till cctv footage surfaced.
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happyhippy posted:We are not bad, it's just its either vote for steaming chunky poo poo, or steaming liquid poo poo. That really sums it up. I think one of the most perverse things about Northern Irish politics is that Jim Allister - a man who's entire political career in the past decade has been based on his argument that Ian Paisley is too liberal - can claim on TUV election leaflets that he's the only effective opposition in Stormont and it's basically an accurate representation. I'll tell you this though; when I was in sixth form, Jim Allister was the first guest speaker at our politics society (we worked our way up; the last guest we had in my last year was Mary McAleese) and spent the whole time banging on about how the current system is undemocratic and how we need the restoration of direct rule because even though it's undemocratic ( ) it got things done. I've since heard the same sentiment repeated by members of the Protestant Coalition and even some DUP supporters.The thing is, I almost think direct rule would be worth it purely because it would underline how far out of step the loyalist hardliners are with what I intepret to be mainstream opinion in the rest of the UK.
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Part of me hopes that they do focus on the kipper talking points, the tories/IDS chasing after the nonexistant benefits-tourists rather than spending all their efforts on making GBS threads on real people that actually exist, would be a good thing. OTOH, it furthers the right wing narrative and general movement of the british populace to the right.
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big scary monsters posted:Is there any chance that the Tories and Labour will let up a bit on their anti-immigration spiel now? I know that UKIP's rise seems like it would make them redouble their efforts, but nobody would take UKIP the slightest bit seriously if mainstream parties hadn't been blaming all the country's ills on foreigners and the EU for the last few years. Ed Miliband: I'll win back UKIP voters before election http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27533330
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tdrules posted:Ed Miliband: I'll win back UKIP voters before election Ed Miliband: Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast.
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The leader of the Labour party is going to try and win over people who think the Tories aren't right wing enough? Well, he's an idiot. Who's next in line, Balls?
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tooterfish posted:The leader of the Labour party is going to try and win over people who think the Tories aren't right wing enough? I am fairly sure he meant he's going to try and win back Labour voters who went for UKIP this time around. Iriquois posted:Have UKIP outlined how they are going to do any of their crazy poo poo yet? Or is Farage just assuming there is an immigration and EU on/off switch in number 10? Honestly, I don't think Farage wants No. 10; he wants a referendum on the EU and he'll not stop until he gets one and wins it (now, everyone else who's elected for UKIP is probably a different story). Because of the vagaries of first-past-the-post, the most realsitic grand strategy for UKIP is to gain enough political clout to put function as pressure group for the Conservatives. Wheat Loaf fucked around with this message at 13:47 on May 23, 2014 |
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Renaissance Robot posted:Does anyone remember which thread it was where [I think it was] Brown Moses posted that Australian anti-immigration comic with commentary? I was talking about immigration with my sister and she cited Australia as an ideal example without knowing about the whole concentration camp thing, and I'd like to link her to it. I loving love the US and Australian anti-immigration crowd. At least here you can claim a relatively small and densely populated country, even if the 'no room' argument is BS. But how does someone standing on one of the largest, most sparsely populated countries on the planet say 'we're full' and keep a straight face? How does someone who is descended from immigrants, living among an entire population of descendants of immigrants, claim that immigration should be capped or not allowed at all? Maybe it's another topic, but it'd be interesting to hear how other countries push the anti immigration stance.
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Metal Loaf posted:Honestly, I don't think Farage wants No. 10; he wants a referendum on the EU and he'll not stop until he gets one and wins it. I've never been convinced he even wants this. So long as the EU exists he can go along and get paid for deliberately doing nothing on moral grounds. As for the crazy poo poo - they've yet to decide for definite what their crazy poo poo is.
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Iriquois posted:Have UKIP outlined how they are going to do any of their crazy poo poo yet? One thing is for definite. Private Eye's 'Rotten Boroughs' is going to need more space each issue from now on.
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Renaissance Robot posted:Does anyone remember which thread it was where [I think it was] Brown Moses posted that Australian anti-immigration comic with commentary? I was talking about immigration with my sister and she cited Australia as an ideal example without knowing about the whole concentration camp thing, and I'd like to link her to it. Haven't seen that. Interesting though, and UKIP keep whittering on about adopting Australia's immigration policy.
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Well the poo poo hole that I live in has remained Labour overall, even if UKIP got majority in one of the wards for some loving reason! Also, to change the subject, and I'm not sure if I said this before, but gently caress the DWP in the rear end! This is something which happened 6 months ago but I'm still pissed off to this day. Anyway, I left my previous job mostly because they didn't want me there any more. That involved some legal wrangling and I ended up changing the circumstances to resignation. Anyway, I go to the job centre on the Tuesday, because I was at Uni on Monday. I make my claim and all goes well, until I'm told that my claim has been put on hold because a) they were unclear of the reason why I left my previous job and b) my part time studies. I eventually got the first query sorted (had to fill in yet another form) but the second one took over 2 months for them to accept, to the point where they actually refused to pay me dole money because I was studying part time therefore I couldn't find work! Eventually one of the "customer advisors" or whatever the gently caress they are called gave me the number of the decision makers who made my judgement call. I told the guy about my situation and he finally overturned the decision. What I'm saying is gently caress the conservatives and their "gently caress the poor" policies! 
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Trickjaw posted:Haven't seen that. Interesting though, and UKIP keep whittering on about adopting Australia's immigration policy. This is it, though with less expansive comments; in the event I just showed her some Stewart Lee and she chilled right out
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EvilGenius posted:I loving love the US and Australian anti-immigration crowd. At least here you can claim a relatively small and densely populated country, even if the 'no room' argument is BS. But how does someone standing on one of the largest, most sparsely populated countries on the planet say 'we're full' and keep a straight face? How does someone who is descended from immigrants, living among an entire population of descendants of immigrants, claim that immigration should be capped or not allowed at all? I read the UK per person to land mass ratio is the most heavily populated country on the planet.
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:I read the UK per person to land mass ratio is the most heavily populated country on the planet. How the living hell do you believe this? It's not even top 10. That's top ten of proper nation states with pops above 10m. If you include all state or dependent entities, the UK fails to make the top 50. I had to check that! Spangly A fucked around with this message at 14:23 on May 23, 2014 |
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Spangly A posted:How the living hell do you believe this? This, dude - we're 51 according to the Office for National Statistics.
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Spangly A posted:How the living hell do you believe this? 51st, in fact, by my reckon.
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Its what I read recently, forgive me for not doubting everything and jumping to Wikipedia to clarify everything that I come across in my life.
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Come on man. Whenever you hear anything without any proper backing that says the country you live in is special, you really should check that poo poo. No we're not overpopulated. No English is not the hardest language (it's not even difficult). We do have the highest millionaires/population though, and I can source that!
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