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Myrddin_Emrys posted:Its what I read recently, forgive me for not doubting everything and jumping to Wikipedia to clarify everything that I come across in my life. I updated with the source Wikipedia cites 
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quote:Cussons Neil 51 Trade Unionists and Socialists Against Cuts *sigh*, I suppose at least UKIP came 3rd in a town that's noted for being a racist shithole, but 51 votes? come on people
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May 23, 2014 14:25
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KayTee posted:As for the crazy poo poo - they've yet to decide for definite what their crazy poo poo is. The thing about UKIP - and single-issue parties more generally - is that the only tenet to which every member absolutely has to hold is Euroscepticism, that is, opposition to the supranational institutions associated with Europe and the concomitant advocacy of withdrawing from tehm. The problem is that, for the past 30 years or so, Euroscepticism has been a predominantly right-wing position; there are certainly many leftists and liberals who hold Eurosceptic positions for various reasons (Tony Benn was one; Alan Sked another) but a variety of factors (the liberalisation of Labour under Blair, Old Labour types getting old and dying off, even just as a reaction to the increased association of Euroscepticism with rightism) seem to have obviated any kind of meaningful political organisation. So, if the majority of people who hold Eurosceptic views are more likely to hold right-wing views on other issues, then it means that a party which formally demands nothing more than Euroscepticism is probably going to have a correspondingly right-wing activist base (in the case of UKIP, it's exacerbated by the migration of social conservatives - likely the same people who would have voted for Fox in the leadership contest in 2005 - who feel isolated by some elements of Cameron's legislative programme are unacceptable but won't fall for the "it's because the Lib Dems forced us to" excuse won't cut the mustard) who can chase the minority who are Eurosceptics but not necessarily right-wing on every other issue out of the party. The obvious example is the leader of the youth wing getting the boot when he said he supported the equal marriage legislation, even though the party strenuously denied an official position.
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May 23, 2014 14:27
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Renaissance Robot posted:Does anyone remember which thread it was where [I think it was] Brown Moses posted that Australian anti-immigration comic with commentary? I was talking about immigration with my sister and she cited Australia as an ideal example without knowing about the whole concentration camp thing, and I'd like to link her to it. You're thinking of XyloJW in the Political Cartoons thread. The ordeal of how poo poo Australia is starts here, friend. PS, please do not let your Labour party pull the slide to the right, it didn't end well for us.
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May 23, 2014 14:27
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:Its what I read recently, forgive me for not doubting everything and jumping to Wikipedia to clarify everything that I come across in my life. Where? I'm not doubting you, I want to trash the shitrag that wrote it. This sort of scaremongering bullshit is what's putting us in the situation we're in.
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May 23, 2014 14:28
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:forgive me for not doubting everything and jumping to Wikipedia to clarify everything that I come across in my life. For those that don't understand why UKIP are doing so well, here it is
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May 23, 2014 14:28
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Spangly A posted:Come on man. Whenever you hear anything without any proper backing that says the country you live in is special, you really should check that poo poo. I humbly apologise for not getting clarification on such an audacious claim. I shall double my efforts to make sure my posting suits your requirements with proper authenticated source material.
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May 23, 2014 14:29
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SybilVimes posted:Eikonoklastes Bluebell New Jerusalem 116 Green Party That is quite a name 
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May 23, 2014 14:31
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FML, my sister just told me about how the majority of the English population are no longer white British. But I guess that's fair enough and she can't at all be blamed for swallowing an obviously ludicrous statistic (~80% of the English population is white British), because, you know, she read it somewhere, and what is healthy scepticism anyway?
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May 23, 2014 14:31
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Captain Pissweak posted:PS, please do not let your Labour party pull the slide to the right, it didn't end well for us. Already happened, and will be happening again, Labour leadership listens to no-one except themselves - and given Labour's #2 enjoys dressing as a nazi and thinks it's 'funny'...
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May 23, 2014 14:32
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twoot posted:That is quite a name This is what he looks like: 
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May 23, 2014 14:34
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UK labour saw our labor party experiment with third way and thought it was a good idea Your welcome by the way
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May 23, 2014 14:35
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Britain's labour party, everyone: (Yes, that's Ed balls, and hell no, he's not ashamed of it, 'It was funny, and I'd do it again')
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May 23, 2014 14:38
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SybilVimes posted:*sigh*, I suppose at least UKIP came 3rd in a town that's noted for being a racist shithole, but 51 votes? come on people Absolutely no-one outside this thread knows who TUSC are.
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May 23, 2014 14:38
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Alecto posted:51st, in fact, by my reckon.
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May 23, 2014 14:38
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:I humbly apologise for not getting clarification on such an audacious claim. I shall double my efforts to make sure my posting suits your requirements with proper authenticated source material. By which you mean "stop reiterating the bullshit I heard from some bloke down the pub without bothering to check if it was even vaguely true".
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May 23, 2014 14:39
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SybilVimes posted:Britain's labour party, everyone: Context? March, drama, fetish or fancy dress?
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May 23, 2014 14:44
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DesperateDan posted:If you are under Amess you have my sympathies, went to school with his son, who got 6 years for nearly killing a guy in a nightclub (I think it was bakers bar) by battering him with a full bottle of champagne from behind and lying about it all till cctv footage surfaced. The place I previously lived in was under James Duddridge who basically told us "I spoke to the UKBA and this is the ruling they gave me" which is what we were disputing. (I'm not sure how someone who got into the UK on a Fiancee Visa could then get denied for the Spouse Visa because "There is insufficient evidence of a pre-existing relationship." But that's a post for another time.) It looks like however, I've moved into Amess territory which means hopefully, there'll be a massive slapfight between the Conservatives and UKIP allowing a decent Left Wing (Hell, I'd take Left Wing-ish) candidate to sneak in around the back. I can second the park though. The new place is about 5 minutes from Chalkwell Park which is a lovely place!
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HortonNash posted:Context? Party at Oxford, not 'fancy dress', but toffs being toffs
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May 23, 2014 14:45
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Jack the Lad posted:This, dude - we're 51 according to the Office for National Statistics. Meanwhile 'full to the brim' Australia contains a whopping 7 people per square mile. About the same as the number of people that can comfortably fit in a lift. By comparison the UK has 679 people per square mile. Net migration added 2 to this figure last year (based on 212,000).
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May 23, 2014 14:58
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Spangly A posted:No English is not the hardest language (it's not even difficult). Why, I've been speaking it all my life!  I only speak it so I don't make people uncomfortable on the train, compadre 
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:I humbly apologise for not getting clarification on such an audacious claim. I shall double my efforts to make sure my posting suits your requirements with proper authenticated source material. Ukip defender doesn't bother with the most basic of fact checking and acts like a pouty baby when called on it, couldn't have seen this coming. e: Lambeth should be congratulated for reversing the voter apathy trend and recording a massive 4,899% turnout rate http://moderngov.lambeth.gov.uk/mgElectionResults.aspx?ID=25&RPID=24392309 edit 2 err over 6500% now... Party Boat fucked around with this message at 15:10 on May 23, 2014 |
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e: nvm, already mentioned
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SybilVimes posted:Party at Oxford, not 'fancy dress', but toffs being toffs In fairness, it's a bit ridiculous for people to flip their poo poo about this kind of thing. It's fancy dress for fucks sake. I'm sure everyone had a nice laugh, a good night was had, and no war crimes were committed. What's the big deal?
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May 23, 2014 15:08
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TheIllestVillain posted:UK labour saw our labor party experiment with third way and thought it was a good idea the ALP didn't go through quite the same spectacular internal fragmentation and then collapse as the militants did in the UK, but there are similarities - a devotion to conspiracies as an article of faith (Petrov, Kerr), battles to make changes to Party procedure that take away union influence but somehow don't quite capture the fury of the left-wing members, but unsurprisingly produce third-way leaders who do and, also unsurprisingly, can't easily be levered out of the party
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May 23, 2014 15:09
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Myrddin_Emrys posted:I humbly apologise for not getting clarification on such an audacious claim. I shall double my efforts to make sure my posting suits your requirements with proper authenticated source material. Come on man, don't be like that. I've got no problem with you at all. But we get these decisions pathetically infrequently, do you really want to vote for a party who quietly want to dismantle the NHS? It's harder to fix this stuff than it is to break it. Don't give yourself the opportunity to have an "oh poo poo" moment later. I'm still pissed I voted libdem in the GE. Party Boat posted:Ukip defender doesn't bother with the most basic of fact checking and acts like a pouty baby when called on it, couldn't have seen this coming. Everyone has the same right to vote for whoever they want and I'm not going to be angry at people voting UKIP if they're not used to having to factcheck everything out of a healthy sense of paranoia. Our media has spent years working for this result, it's not the fault of the people voting, so surely it's better to direct our anger at the source of the problem rather than people who have lost all faith in government for the right reasons but took something else on trust? Getting angry at new posters in the thread isn't going to keep them around and will just make them think we're being shitheads. Although from twitter last night I did laugh at this: #WhyImVotingUkip David Cameron didn't wish me happy birthday Spangly A fucked around with this message at 15:16 on May 23, 2014 |
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May 23, 2014 15:11
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Jack the Lad posted:This, dude - we're 51 according to the Office for National Statistics. That's UK, England is alot more dense, second in Europe! Also if you remove all those bumfuck Islands UK and France owns etc we're 15th.  Still not over populated however if we don't start building more houses we're going to find some problems. Answer? Build more houses.
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Fluo posted:That's UK, England is alot more dense, second in Europe! Also if you remove all those bumfuck Islands UK and France owns etc we're 15th. Put the immigrants in Wales. They both speak foreign, they'll get on.
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it is probably a good thing the UKIP is a vehicle for flattering Nigel Farage's ego, or it could probably assemble a much more threatening single-issue anti-immigration coalition out of the CPRE middle england + green antidevelopment types and the racists, of course. But much easier to hide them under the floorboards if your party has more planks
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Spangly A posted:Come on man, don't be like that. I've got no problem with you at all. But we get these decisions pathetically infrequently, do you really want to vote for a party who quietly want to dismantle the NHS? I think he wants to claim to do wildly irresponsible things and recycle right wing anti-intellectualism clinches in order to make people in the thread angry. Otherwise he's kind of a ridiculous person.
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SybilVimes posted:Britain's labour party, everyone: Tell me more about fancy dress and how Labour are The Worst Monsters please.
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May 23, 2014 15:21
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Spangly A posted:Put the immigrants in Wales. They both speak foreign, they'll get on. Scotland is alot more empty then Wales!  Edit: ThomasPaine posted:In fairness, it's a bit ridiculous for people to flip their poo poo about this kind of thing. It's fancy dress for fucks sake. I'm sure everyone had a nice laugh, a good night was had, and no war crimes were committed. What's the big deal? It's a thread trend lately to bring up 3-4 year old news about Labour to try and make it seem they are worse then the Tories so in a couple of years time when they start voting Tory they don't feel so bad. That nazi uniform at a fancy dress party is news on The Daily Politics back in 2009/2010. Also just post the full photo, cropping is pretty dumb. 
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Fluo posted:Scotland is alot more empty then Wales! Thats becaue the sheep have taken over most of it. SEND THE SHEEP BACK HOME!
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but it's cold
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To change the subject slightly a while back some one said that when private hospitals fuckup they dump their patients on the local NHS hospital. Anyone got any data to back this up? All I can find is this: http://www.big-lies.org/UK-private-hospitals/private-hospitals.html . remember that I've bagsied next months op, just in case anyone was having ideas!
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May 23, 2014 15:27
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Fluo posted:Scotland is alot more empty then Wales! What's the source for that image? Not disputing the facts or anything, I just don't think I've ever seen the whole British Isles shown on a map like that before.
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Would someone please tell me why dressing up in Nazi fancy dress and rendering them a joke is actually really offensive? No I'm not saying "it happened a long time ago get over it" but there are really, really few people who were actually there left to offend and openly mocking fascism in that way seems very much like a good thing to me, compared to taking it seriously and not being allowed to talk about it while we've got isolationist nationalists popping up all over the place. We fight racism with progressive racism.
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Captain Pissweak posted:PS, please do not let your Labour party pull the slide to the right, it didn't end well for us. Grin like a Cheshire cat, couldn't say no to a holy war or two... you know the one. EvilGenius posted:Meanwhile 'full to the brim' Australia contains a whopping 7 people per square mile. Hardly fair.
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Spangly A posted:Would someone please tell me why dressing up in Nazi fancy dress and rendering them a joke is actually really offensive? If you can't laugh at the nazis, the nazis have won in my opinion.       You get the idea.
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Spangly A posted:Would someone please tell me why dressing up in Nazi fancy dress and rendering them a joke is actually really offensive? Because like you stated in your previous post, it is fodder for the media who think the public are stupid enough to be 'offended' at such things. Be offended... it wont do anything to you, being offended that is. The media uses 'offensiveness' like it is some kind of disease It is just down right terrible to offend people these days and our whole culture has to be re evaluated to stop people being offended. But why? Be loving offended, it wont loving kill you. Life will still go on. And guess what? I get offended too sometimes and I get over it. *EDIT* Think I will post this here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs Myrddin_Emrys fucked around with this message at 15:45 on May 23, 2014 |
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