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Hidden Mother posted:Who's the absolute worst wrestler (taking into account ring work, promo ability, natural charisma) to get a main event push? Khali? Same question, but excluding giants from the equation. Worst full-time male wrestler using the criteria above to get a main event push. Mable?
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Sid would have to be up there.
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Dunbar posted:Sid would have to be up there. Sid would have to count as a giant, right? I'd say Warrior was worse than Sid for that era and overall, probably someone British. I'll go with Big Daddy since Giant Haystacks/Loch Ness would also count as a giant.
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May 25, 2014 03:30
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Sid rules you jerks.
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Snacksmaniac posted:Sid rules you jerks. The world at that.
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May 25, 2014 03:40
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Goldberg had nothin' on Sid's streak.
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Snacksmaniac posted:Goldberg had nothin' on Sid's streak. Goldberg's half the man that Sid is, and only has twice the brain that Sid has.
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I'm really glad TNA was never able to ruin my love of Sid.
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As far as awful wrestlers to get a main-event push, I was going to suggest Garett Bischoff, but then I remembered that nobody watches TNA.
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Lex Luger would be my nomination, I would much rather tune into a Sid segment than anything involving the Total Package
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Luger is loving great in mid-late '80s NWA.
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The problem with Lex was Vince pushing him to the moon and giving him his own tour bus and poo poo when he couldn't get over in the WWF wasn't it? He was great in the NWA and okay in WCW.
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Luigi Thirty posted:The problem with Lex was Vince pushing him to the moon and giving him his own tour bus and poo poo when he couldn't get over in the WWF wasn't it? Lex's problem was more that he wasn't allowed to win the big one until it was way way way too late. He was red hot in the late 80s, but never got to beat Flair. Even in 1990 he drew better than Sting but Sting was decided to be the next "the guy" so Luger didn't get the belt. That isn't to say he should have, any non-Flair or Steamboat champion was going to have trouble keeping the fans interested in that era. As for the WWF, the Lex Express kind of worked to get him over they just botched the push by not giving him the title at Summerslam. They were better off because that Luger gimmick wasn't going to have any staying power while Bret was a better option.
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I'm coming at this topic based off kid nostalgia, FWIW. Can't speak about his time in NWA, but in WWF he had a decent gimmick in The Narcissist but all the only spots I can remember were his striations. The USA Guy/Lex Express was the first main event program I really got hyped for. I was screaming at my TV in joy when he suplexed Yoko on the battleship, but with him and Kona Crush etc. they tried feeding him lunks to get him over ala Hogan, but Luger couldn't pace a match like Hulk and he fizzled as The Guy. Luger in WCW was protected and hidden to a ridiculous degree in a league well known for protecting guys who weren't great workers. Whether he was turning on Sting, joining up with the NWO, turning on Sting, joining the Wolfpac, working with Elizabeth, or turning on Sting, he was never able to carry the load of the story or the ringwork. But I think he stayed on the top of the cards longer than anyone else would have given the talent.
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beggar posted:I'm coming at this topic based off kid nostalgia, FWIW. Strenuous Manflurry posted:To echo everyone here, Luger has been a huge surprise in Tuesday Nitro rewatches. He was honestly pretty good, and drat athletic even in his forties. I mean, he was hardly the greatest wrestler I've ever seen, but the idea that he's on the same level or even better than Sting is something I'd have dismissed offhand months ago.
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Halloween Jack posted:In fact, I think Luger has been getting more positive appraisals from people going back and watching his matches via Tuesday Nitro. This started coming up in regard to Sting's HoF worthiness. Okay... I bite. What is the best Luger match on the network so I can watch it? I only remember him as a horrible wrestler with a good physique and finisher.
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The Grey posted:Okay... I bite. What is the best Luger match on the network so I can watch it? vs. Flair at Starrcade '88 is probably the best place to start. w/ Barry Windham vs. Tully & Arn is also a pretty great example of Luger being very effective in small doses.
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The Grey posted:Okay... I bite. What is the best Luger match on the network so I can watch it? Probably Luger vs Flair from Starrcade 88. Luger vs Steamboat from GAB 89 is excellent as well and pretty much every Luger/Flair match from 88-90 is great.
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Web Jew.0 posted:At 51:52 of the second video, Cole asks McMahon about a talking point. He said: "Do you want me to say that every time, because I've said it a shitload of times tonight." I think everyone should watch this because the pauses are much longer than what this post is getting at. I'm talking 10-15 seconds of Cole clearly being bitched out hardcore by Vince, then Cole in that humbled kind of voice you only hear from the co-worker who got it REALLY bad from the boss behind closed doors.
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Sting/Luger vs Steiners from SuperBrawl 1 is also really good and a somewhat rare example of a face vs face tag match.
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Justin Godscock posted:I think everyone should watch this because the pauses are much longer than what this post is getting at. I'm talking 10-15 seconds of Cole clearly being bitched out hardcore by Vince, then Cole in that humbled kind of voice you only hear from the co-worker who got it REALLY bad from the boss behind closed doors. I just watched this. It's funny how Vince or Kevin Dunn call Cole 'JR' like it's an insult. They must really think very little of Jim Ross.
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He's talking to Dunn most of the time as he addresses him as "Kev", so I think Vince isn't always directly in his ear because that might be a bit too much crosstalk considering how much Dunn has to talk to production throughout. Cole changes tone completely when he's talking to Vince, and it didn't seem like that happened a whole lot during this particular show. So I wonder if Vince is mostly an overseer until there's a point he wants to really nail into the viewers' heads. That, or Cole's got Dunn in one ear and Vince in the other, which is just nuts.
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sticklefifer posted:That, or Cole's got Dunn in one ear and Vince in the other, which is just nuts. If it sounds nuts and WWE is involved then its always the right answer.
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Justin Godscock posted:I think everyone should watch this because the pauses are much longer than what this post is getting at. I'm talking 10-15 seconds of Cole clearly being bitched out hardcore by Vince, then Cole in that humbled kind of voice you only hear from the co-worker who got it REALLY bad from the boss behind closed doors. Could I have a link for this please?
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magnum_valentino posted:Could I have a link for this please? http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k4dSczgz9oPByi7KjFC&start=3092 from here, eventually Cole says "Hey Vince" pause "Do you want me to say that every time because I said it a poo poo load of times tonight"
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Onmi posted:http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k4dSczgz9oPByi7KjFC&start=3092 from here, eventually Cole says "Hey Vince" pause "Do you want me to say that every time because I said it a poo poo load of times tonight" I'm still stuck in the 90s, so I've never seen a CM Punk match. Someone give me your Top 3.
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St Evan Echoes posted:I like the 5 seconds he's onscreen during that. His head is so low. So low. CM Punk vs Jeff Hardy - TLC Match for the World Heavyweight Championship - Summerslam 2009 CM Punk vs John Cena - WWE Raw - Feb 25th, 2013 CM Punk vs Brock Lesnar - No Disqualification - Summerslam 2013 I'm sure others will have plenty more to suggest as well, those are just my personal favorites
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St Evan Echoes posted:I like the 5 seconds he's onscreen during that. His head is so low. So low. Punk/Cena, MITB 2011 Punk/Jeff Hardy, Summerslam 2009 Punk/Bryan, Over The Limit 2012
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I'll just add 3 that haven't been already said: Punk/Undertaker - WM29 Punk/Jericho - Payback 2013 Joe/Punk II - ROH Oct '04 Man, for a guy banged up and unhappy Punk put on a ton of great matches in 2013 - not singles, but he's a key part of the awesome WWE title MitB match that year too. Blasmeister fucked around with this message at 12:00 on May 25, 2014 |
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So what are the WWE "eras", exactly? 2009-Present: PG Era 2002-2009: Post-Attitude/Dark/poo poo Era? 1997-2002: Attitude Era 1992-1997: New Generation Era 1985-1992: Golden Era 1979-1985: Expansion Era? 1963-1979: WWWF/Post-NWA Era? 1952-1963: CWC Era? Just curious.
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The New Generation Era started in 1984. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftvTtTUv2Yw&t=49s
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Amy Renee posted:So what are the WWE "eras", exactly? 2002-2007ish was called Ruthless Aggression I think.
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Memento posted:2002-2007ish was called Ruthless Aggression I think. It was, according to WWE 2k14. It can probably also be called the Cena Era, since wasn't the whole "You've gotta display Ruthless Aggression" thing basically about Cena or whatever?
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I don't remember it even being an overlying theme or anything, it was just what Vince/Cole were parroting at the moment.
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1984-1991 - Rock n' Wrestling 1992-1996 - New Generation 1997-2001 - Attitude 2002-2007 - Ruthless Aggression 2008-Now - Reality That's my own approximate labeling. YMMV
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It seems people consider a changing point between 2007 and 2009, but what would you say it was? I starting drifting out when the brand shift started, and a lot of those years seem to blend into one another, skimming through some of those years Summerslams it feels like the aspect ratio is the only new thing. Was it the shift to PG? Was it something that you could visibly see coming in?
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I think that 07-09 period felt like things were changing because of PG an because there were tons more guys coming in that were brand new and not from the Monday night wars. poo poo like NXT and what not.
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St Evan Echoes posted:I like the 5 seconds he's onscreen during that. His head is so low. So low. Samoa Joe vs CM Punk, All Star Extravaganza II Samoa Joe vs CM Punk, Joe vs Punk II CM Punk vs John Cena, That Raw Match Everyone Loves
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MassRafTer posted:CM Punk vs John Cena, That Raw Match Everyone Loves
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Amy Renee posted:So what are the WWE "eras", exactly? 2002-2007 Ruthless Aggression 2007-2011 PG Era 2011- Reality Era
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