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I'd say I really really hope his son dies like a bitch, but that isn't fair to his son. I hope his son grows up to be a happy, successful, possibly gay liberal with a family who disowns his father and never speaks of him again except to piss on his grave when he dies.
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agarjogger posted:Is there anyone the right despises quite so much as a mass shooting victim? I'd say its a close race between that and a pregnant minority teen.
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May 26, 2014 06:32
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OAquinas posted:I'd say its a close race between that and a pregnant minority teen. No, they love her if she doesn't have an abortion. The minute that baby pops out though.
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ShadowCatboy posted:In actual gunfights, don't like 90% of shots miss the target if they're more than 10 feet away? Don't worry, they'll just charge the person they're shooting at for those missed shots. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/05/nyregion/unarmed-man-is-charged-with-wounding-bystanders-shot-by-police-near-times-square.html
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GAYMIEN SANDOW posted:Don't worry, they'll just charge the person they're shooting at for those missed shots. Feel free to replace "officer" with some Zimmerman-esque trigger happy vigilante if you like. (This hypothetical brought to you by an identical scenario with a much less terrible ending for me a couple weeks ago in downtown Charleston.)
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SwingShift posted:While I'm not saying this isn't true, didn't Elliot Rogers' family repeatedly try to get him to go to a therapist? So at the very least he had their support. I thought I read that somewhere. He had seen several different counselors and one of them actually called the police on him in April due to fears of violence. The police talked to him and he convinced them he was stable. He even stated in his manifesto that if they had come in and checked his room, they would have seen the guns and other indicting evidence which would have prevented the massacre. The police dropped the loving ball here. I don't know how the laws work there, but they recently expanded the scope of mandated reporters in Illinois so that if we think a client is an imminent danger to themselves or others, we are required by law to input their name in a database, which compares it to people with FOID cards, which would then trigger the police to investigate and potentially confiscate their guns. A program like this could have prevented the massacre. sleepingbuddha fucked around with this message at 14:56 on May 26, 2014 |
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Regarding Todd Kincannon's wiki page, this is tripping me out:wikipdeia posted:Prior to law school, Kincannon completed graduate work in the fields of nanotechnology and analytical chemistry at Clemson University.[citation needed] Kincannon also holds a B.S. degree with a triple major in chemistry, physics, and mathematics from Erskine College[citation needed] and an A.S. degree from Greenville Technical College in science.[citation needed] At first I thought it was a joke with the "citation needed" until I found that same sentence on his professional website.
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UFOTofuTacoCat posted:Regarding Todd Kincannon's wiki page, this is tripping me out: Did it also include [citation needed]?
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May 26, 2014 15:18
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I am glad to see that the focus of the discussion is currently much more about the other cultural/personal issues related to the fiasco, there's no shortage of material to discuss in this case. As useless as I find Facebook to be for any serious debate, I think there's value in discussing the state of mental health and social constructs regarding sexual expectations between men and women. If we can do so without turning the shooter into an anti-celebrity, all the better. I'm referring specifically to the father of one of the victims, Chris Martinez and the parents of the murderer, both placing blame on the NRA in their official statement to the press, within 24 hours of this tragedy. The op-ed articles demanding gun control are starting to bloom on sites like The Daily Beast and The Guardian as well. In a case where the problem is SO CLEARLY defined, so obviously about unchecked mental illness, the push by these cultists to use a madman's violence to curtail my rights and yours, and to blame me by extension, sickens me.
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May 26, 2014 15:38
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The two threads are in a feedback loop of good things. Perpetual energy is here.Jay Rust posted:I'm sure that guy is just a professional troll. Sometimes it's more blatant: Pomp posted:This will be the epitaph on America's grave. 
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May 26, 2014 15:39
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UFOTofuTacoCat posted:Regarding Todd Kincannon's wiki page, this is tripping me out: Also no mention of the guy sending pics of his penis to women, with the legalese "persuant to our agreement that you will never redistribute this", in 2012.
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May 26, 2014 15:46
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Lessail posted:I'm referring specifically to the father of one of the victims, Chris Martinez and the parents of the murderer, both placing blame on the NRA in their official statement to the press, within 24 hours of this tragedy. The op-ed articles demanding gun control are starting to bloom on sites like The Daily Beast and The Guardian as well. In a case where the problem is SO CLEARLY defined, so obviously about unchecked mental illness, the push by these cultists to use a madman's violence to curtail my rights and yours, and to blame me by extension, sickens me. Todd Kincannon, is that you?
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May 26, 2014 16:00
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Lessail posted:I am glad to see that the focus of the discussion is currently much more about the other cultural/personal issues related to the fiasco, there's no shortage of material to discuss in this case. As useless as I find Facebook to be for any serious debate, I think there's value in discussing the state of mental health and social constructs regarding sexual expectations between men and women. If we can do so without turning the shooter into an anti-celebrity, all the better. My right to what...murder others because women won't sleep with me?
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Axolotl posted:Mind you, he didn't actually receive a degree from Clemson, just "completed graduate studies" in those fields. We don't know why he left before receiving a degree. He also tired to solicit donations from conservatives to administrate a twitter hashtag.
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Neremworld posted:Todd Kincannon, is that you? Yes anonumos posted:My right to what...murder others because women won't sleep with me?
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I dunno about you guys but I'm kind of into this Todd Kincannon. He's a Republican politician that consistently speaks his mind, unlike most others that say something they genuinely believe only to backpedal when they get condemned for it. Honesty is something we lack in modern politics.
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Darkman Fanpage posted:I dunno about you guys but I'm kind of into this Todd Kincannon. He's a Republican politician that consistently speaks his mind, unlike most others that say something they genuinely believe only to backpedal when they get condemned for it. Honesty is something we lack in modern politics. Also because the republicans literally believe that dems hate it so its good. Bringing him up ensures he gets a voice within the republican party. He could even run for office.
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Babylon Astronaut posted:That's what I was trying to get someone to answer during the Chipotle fiasco. If I'm in chipotle, and a bunch of young, white, goony looking bastards come in with guns, can I stand my ground? If I can't, I literally can't repsond in a way that would prevent a mass shooting. Those guys looked like any one of the recent spree killers! And yeah, if I were eating at a restaurant and some dweeb(s) walked in openly carrying semi-auto weaponry, my first priority becomes exit. I have no place in any jerkoff martyr fantasy, and we don't live in Mad Max world yet. Even if the rifleman is competent and peaceful, he could trigger someone else to confront and escalate things. e: haha, Chipotle banned guns a week ago
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Lessail posted:In a case where the problem is SO CLEARLY defined, so obviously about unchecked mental illness It's funny you should say this because on tumblr, there are a lot of feminists who are angry that people are trying to shift the focus entirely onto his mental illness and are ignoring the clear hatred of women. To them, the violent misogyny is the clearly defined problem, not the mental illness. Not saying one is correct and the other is not - to me, it seems to be an awful combination of both - but it's interesting how people's perceptions of the person differ depending on their priorities.
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sleepingbuddha posted:He had seen several different counselors and one of them actually called the police on him in April due to fears of violence. The police talked to him and he convinced them he was stable. He even stated in his manifesto that if they had come in and checked his room, they would have seen the guns and other indicting evidence which would have prevented the massacre. The police dropped the loving ball here. Here, they were faced with a white, wealthy guy living in what appears to be some sort of high end, unlocked facility who said the right things. It certainly isn't shocking they didn't 5150 him. 5150 wouldn't have gotten cops into his house (which is a good thing) or his guns (though that can happen later in the process I think), but it would yave gotten him some help he couldn't turn down.
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Where is it? Everywhere. Also:    ... In Sudan. http://www.amnesty.org/en/news/sudan-more-half-million-call-free-pregnant-woman-sentenced-death-her-religious-choice-lawyers-l Because, you know, since there have been several abortion clinic bombings and honor killings by Christians in the United States it means they are all bloodthirsty murderers. I think religion is dumb but so is blanket generalization.
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SwingShift posted:It's funny you should say this because on tumblr, there are a lot of feminists who are angry that people are trying to shift the focus entirely onto his mental illness and are ignoring the clear hatred of women. To them, the violent misogyny is the clearly defined problem, not the mental illness. Not saying one is correct and the other is not - to me, it seems to be an awful combination of both - but it's interesting how people's perceptions of the person differ depending on their priorities. The thing is, while the misogyny is violent, the larger problem is violent ____. Sometimes, it's violent misogyny. Other times, it's violent racism. There's lots of different mental issues that are exacerbated with the violence factor. AnemicChipmunk posted:It's fascinating how violent crime, including gun crime, has actually gone down over the previous years according to this article, but that mass shootings have gone up. ...which brings me to the larger point in the big picture. The anger over MRAs working each other up online is just like any other angry subgroup online, whether it's white supremacists, gun nuts, misogynists, or whomever. There's lots of assholes that are now able to coordinate and assemble without anyone really noticing until things start getting violent and big. Mother Jones just reported on some Texas gun nuts terrorizing moms against guns. The whole Bundy situation has exposed those groups as violent jokes. Which brings me to... Dr.Zeppelin posted:Also for enough overweight weirdos in ankle shorts marching into Chipotle and legally terrorizing Little League games for society to view them as enough of a joke to collectively turn its back on them. The somewhat reasonable argument from the pro-gun side is that they want guns to protect themselves and their families. Okay. That can make sense. What does not make sense is the radically hostile open-carry mentality of brandishing and displaying your firearm literally everywhere, when the sight of a gun makes most of us very uncomfortable. Personally, I don't have a gun, don't carry a gun, and don't want a gun. I also don't want to be around guns, and I feel that most people feel the same way. So now, once some jackass brings his gun into the grocery store, the initial reaction is fear, and the initial thought is that this guy might pull out his gun and start spraying bullets everywhere. Society won't view these guys as a joke, they will view them as a threat. And when they are viewed by a threat, they get belligerent and angry, confirming that view. sweart gliwere posted:And yeah, if I were eating at a restaurant and some dweeb(s) walked in openly carrying semi-auto weaponry, my first priority becomes exit. I have no place in any jerkoff martyr fantasy, and we don't live in Mad Max world yet. Even if the rifleman is competent and peaceful, he could trigger someone else to confront and escalate things. Exactly. Because of gun nuts, lots of places that you wouldn't expect to ban guns now have to come out and say that you can't bring guns in. All Major League Baseball teams now have to put up metal detectors, to keep any weapons out of ballparks (for obvious reasons). I've been to a lot of Detroit Tigers games this year, and the only people I've ever seen get busted with anything are white, rural, open-carry yahoos. They demand to be let in, the team tells them no, so they get really angry and potentially leave...with the underlying fear that they might come back into the large crowd of people waiting to get in and start firing.
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SwingShift posted:It's funny you should say this because on tumblr, there are a lot of feminists who are angry that people are trying to shift the focus entirely onto his mental illness and are ignoring the clear hatred of women. To them, the violent misogyny is the clearly defined problem... This crossed my mind too. I watched about 3 minutes of the manifesto video and the clear hatred of women was what jumped out at me, although mental health issues and violent misogyny aren't mutually exclusive.
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What are we in denial about? Chasing down and arresting creepy virgins ahead of time? Or about the link between guns and bullets hitting people?
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sweart gliwere posted:That's a good question, did you ever get an answer?
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The NYDN is purestrain tabloid poo poo. Edit: It's such crap it gets handed out for free at the terminals by immigrants working at less-than-minimum-wage (thanks for treating new arrivals like garbage, NYDN). I don't know how it's still in print when even the National Enquirer tanked despite having a captive audience of bored idiots waiting in line at supermarkets. Post 9-11 User fucked around with this message at 23:32 on May 26, 2014 |
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Spacedad posted:Yet another iteration of the 'gay people are the real bigots/nazis' courtesy of the dumbest man in congress.
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Bunleigh posted:I know a lot of people like to hate on Cenk Uygur and TYT but come on, "Gohmert's Pile" is loving gold. All the hate Cenk gets is mostly from him being a smug prick who feels like kinda maybe the Armenian genocide didn't happen. Few people would contend he isn't funny sometimes. The problem is that he's grating even over the course of a 2-3 minute clip even though he might actually say a funny thing or make a good point.
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agarjogger posted:And neither did the NRA, so I'm not sure who your foil is here. Yeah, they have. They've put forth some weaksauce thing about funding for mental health care, but then have continued to fight tooth and nail against the specific things that would enforce mentally ill people not having guns. They're against requiring background checks. Background checks need to be mandated in order for the "take guns away from the mentally ill" provision to ever work. It's also worth noting that the NRA is against taking guns away from anyone, even mentally ill people. The only thing the NRA is for is some nebulous increase in access to treatment for mentally ill people and censorship of Hollywood/the video game industry.
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ErIog posted:... Not entirely true. They're also apparently against higher taxes on rich people, according to this commercial from last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeHOdJl2Ahs I'm sure it's just a coincidence that Grover Norquist sits on their Board of Directors. The NRA is a pretty obviously partisan organization at this point. They're really no different than the American Family Association or any number of other nakedly partisan non-profits. The NRA doesn't actually care about gun rights, or proper regulation/safe use of firearms, and I don't really think they care that much about funneling money to gun manufacturers anymore. They want to get Republicans elected. Because being Republican means being pro-gun, regardless of the actual policies championed by the parties or individual politicians. poo poo, some restrictions on carrying weapons have actually been relaxed by Obama - by exectutive order, no less - and they still call him a gun-grabber. gently caress the NRA. emptyspace fucked around with this message at 04:50 on May 27, 2014 |
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