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Edmund Honda posted:The context is this: these are the best selling games/gaming accessories in 2014 on the biggest online retailer in the country. There have been fewer copies of MK8 sold than copies of 18 other games, quite a few of which are either 2013 releases or Xbone/PS4 editions. No it's not. You need more variables to understand the list plain and simple.
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Does anyone have an understanding of why sales numbers are so secretive? I would think releasing that info would be an requirement even for any public company.
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May 26, 2014 16:53
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PrBacterio posted:That list of "best-selling games since the beginning of the year so far" seems kind of a red herring to me anyway when talking about a game that's coming out in just a little under a week from now. You'll notice that Watch Dogs is also nowhere to be seen on that list, for instance.
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May 26, 2014 16:54
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I said come in! posted:Does anyone have an understanding of why sales numbers are so secretive? I would think releasing that info would be an requirement even for any public company. For one thing, actual sales figures are much harder to determine than shipping figures - a store will eventually tell you when they've sold out all their shipment or that over the past months they've sold half of it; but it's not available right away.
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May 26, 2014 17:04
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I said come in! posted:Does anyone have an understanding of why sales numbers are so secretive? I would think releasing that info would be an requirement even for any public company. All that's required is to document the amount of money they spent, and the amount of money they got from other people. "The amount of money that third-party distributors made off our product" isn't relevant.
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May 26, 2014 17:27
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I said come in! posted:I don't see MK8 getting those numbers that AAA publishers go after though. I bet over it's lifetime it does five to six million which is a pretty desirable number for AAA games. Nintendo games have legs after all and unless Mario Kart 8 is a complete disaster it will continuing selling as long as the Wii U is out there. One-quarter of the total install base is pretty close to what Mario Kart games usually sell and that's probably around where the Wii U is going to peter out at the end.
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May 26, 2014 17:30
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Do Nintendo games get a lot of preorders? I doubt it. So why do you care so much about pre-sale data? The thing about MK8 (and the other MK games) is they consistently sell over time. Wait till January of next year. After Christmas. I bet you'll see it way up on the list of best selling games of 2014. It will definitely be #1 for Wii U and will likely be top 10 of anything. Pretty much anyone with a Wii U or who gets a Wii U will get this game. You can't really say that about games on other systems. Ultimately, who cares. Get the game. Play it. Enjoy it. The Wii U isn't going away any time soon. It's not a huge hit. Whatever. It's a cool little system that does something awesome that PS4 and Xbone don't: it plays the previous generations games.
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May 26, 2014 18:13
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Waltzing Along posted:It's a cool little system that does something awesome that PS4 and Xbone don't: it plays the previous generations games. Too bad it can't play the current generation games. 
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May 26, 2014 18:29
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Waltzing Along posted:Ultimately, who cares. Get the game. Play it. Enjoy it. The Wii U isn't going away any time soon. It's not a huge hit. Whatever. It's a cool little system that does something awesome that PS4 and Xbone don't: it plays the previous generations games.
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May 26, 2014 18:30
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PrBacterio posted:that it'll sell to the majority of the 6 million or thereabouts people who already do own one is pretty much a given at this point, I think. Not very likely. Mario Kart Wii didn't even sell to the majority of Wii owners. MKW sold 36 million and the Wii sold 101 million. Expecting 8 to relatively perform much better than MKW (which would be needed to sell to the majority of Wii U owners) is a pipe dream.
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May 26, 2014 18:39
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less laughter posted:Not very likely. Mario Kart Wii didn't even sell to the majority of Wii owners. MKW sold 36 million and the Wii sold 101 million. Expecting 8 to perform much better than that relatively (which would be needed to sell to the majority of Wii U owners) is a pipe dream. Attach rates tend to be higher on lower install bases. NSMBU had an almost 70% attach rate for the longest time, and NSMBWii wasn't even close to that.
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May 26, 2014 18:40
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Crowbear posted:Attach rates tend to be higher on lower install bases. NSMBU had an almost 70% attach rate for the longest time, and NSMBWii wasn't even close to that.
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May 26, 2014 18:44
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I think I am finally beginning to understand how more copies of ET were made than Atari consoles to play them on.
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May 26, 2014 18:45
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abagofcheetos posted:I think I am finally beginning to understand how more copies of ET were made than Atari consoles to play them on.
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May 26, 2014 18:48
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abagofcheetos posted:I think I am finally beginning to understand how more copies of ET were made than Atari consoles to play them on. Fortunately, Nintendo has the minor advantage of not having to print all of them that they think they'll ever sell in advance.
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May 26, 2014 19:00
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Waltzing Along posted:Do Nintendo games get a lot of preorders? I doubt it. So why do you care so much about pre-sale data? The thing about MK8 (and the other MK games) is they consistently sell over time. Wait till January of next year. After Christmas. I bet you'll see it way up on the list of best selling games of 2014. get real bro, you can't enjoy games unless you have meticulously assorted sales data on every single one and attach your wellbeing to its financial state
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May 26, 2014 19:05
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MinibarMatchman posted:get real bro, you can't enjoy games unless you have meticulously assorted sales data on every single one and attach your wellbeing to its financial state This is an A-grade straw man, congratulations. Suspicious Dish posted:Ooh, are we doing the obnoxious back-and-forth argument game again? Let me have a turn! I hope not. It's just weird that some people feel the need to come in to a thread about how the Wii U is performing and complain about people discussing how the Wii U is performing. Crowbear fucked around with this message at 19:15 on May 26, 2014 |
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May 26, 2014 19:12
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Ooh, are we doing the obnoxious back-and-forth argument game again? Let me have a turn!
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May 26, 2014 19:13
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PrBacterio posted:Well, it's a primarily multiplayer title so worrying about its popularity is not entirely without reason. Also I think people are more wondering whether it'll push some more console sales for the Wii U, which is what Nintendo really need (and are looking for) with this title; that it'll sell to the majority of the 6 million or thereabouts people who already do own one is pretty much a given at this point, I think. I don't think we have anything to worry about regarding the MK8 online community. Heck, I'm probably going to spend most of my online multiplayer-time in private tournaments anyway. There will be an active player-base for this, guaranteed.
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May 26, 2014 19:25
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Suspicious Dish posted:Ooh, are we doing the obnoxious back-and-forth argument game again? Let me have a turn! Umm did you miss the sick burn up there? Talking about video games as a business isn't allowed here and clearly we care so much it stops us from playing games and isn't just an interesting thing to discuss. Waltzing Along posted:So why do you care so much about pre-sale data? What makes you think I care that much? I thought how far down the charts it is was funny.
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May 26, 2014 19:28
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MinibarMatchman posted:get real bro, you can't enjoy games unless you have meticulously assorted sales data on every single one and attach your wellbeing to its financial state No one is doing that, you're just angry because people pointed out that your expectations are unrealistic. Chill out and go play a videogame or something.
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May 26, 2014 19:28
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It's totally legitimate to think that the Wii U is failing and still think it might be a worthwhile purchase at some point. I'll probably get one sometime in 2015 because there's like half a dozen games on the Wii U that appeal to me and I never had a Wii so there's a massive back catalogue of stuff I need to catch up on and play that's available on it. The number of games announced for the other two systems that I want amounts to...one (MGS5) and I'm certainly not buying a system just to play MGS5. So yes, I want a Wii U, but that doesn't mean I don't realize that it's dying. I don't particularly mind that it's dying, because it means that when I buy it next year it'll probably be dirt cheap, but it's OK to recognize that and still think it's a cool system with a lot of worthwhile things to get.
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May 26, 2014 20:24
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Patter Song posted:It's totally legitimate to think that the Wii U is failing and still think it might be a worthwhile purchase at some point. I'll probably get one sometime in 2015 because there's like half a dozen games on the Wii U that appeal to me and I never had a Wii so there's a massive back catalogue of stuff I need to catch up on and play that's available on it. I don't think a lot of people have yet wrapped their mind around the concept that you can both like something and acknowledge that it was a financial failure. Videogames. 
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May 26, 2014 20:45
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There were more ET cartridges produced than systems existed? This sounds apocryphal.
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May 26, 2014 21:02
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Waltzing Along posted:There were more ET cartridges produced than systems existed? This sounds apocryphal. Yeah that's an exaggeration. They did produce something like 5 million carts and only sold ~1.5 million, though. It was a gigantic disaster.
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May 26, 2014 21:07
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I never had a 2600. We couldn't get it to work on our TV. So I played with a friend. He had ET. He finished the game. I watched him do it. Kids are dumb.
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May 26, 2014 21:22
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Crowbear posted:Yeah that's an exaggeration. They did produce something like 5 million carts and only sold ~1.5 million, though. It was a gigantic disaster. It was Pac-Man that they produced more carts than systems that Atari sold. If you want to extend the number of systems to include the Atari clones that played 2600 carts then there might have been just enough systems out there to buy every copy of Pac-Man produced. Waltzing Along posted:I never had a 2600. We couldn't get it to work on our TV. So I played with a friend. He had ET. He finished the game. I watched him do it. Kids are dumb. It only takes about a minute and a half to finish a level which then repeats the game from the start when you're done.
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May 26, 2014 21:57
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Random Stranger posted:It only takes about a minute and a half to finish a level which then repeats the game from the start when you're done. Unless you fell in a pit because I remember that poo poo being the worst to escape from. 
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May 26, 2014 22:36
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Sarchasm posted:I don't think a lot of people have yet wrapped their mind around the concept that you can both like something and acknowledge that it was a financial failure. Random Stranger posted:It only takes about a minute and a half to finish a level which then repeats the game from the start when you're done.
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May 26, 2014 22:41
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codenameFANGIO posted:Unless you fell in a pit because I remember that poo poo being the worst to escape from. You have to fall into the pits on purpose to get the parts of your phone-home device. Yes, the punishment is identical to the reward and there is no way to tell which is which until you fall in. I'm thinking given the current WiiU sales MK8 should hit around 2-3 million sales given that those who have consoles are definitely in the Nintendo tent. I can't imagine there are a lot of Nintendo fans left who are waiting to buy both a WiiU and MK8 at full price rather than severe discount in 6-8 months.
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May 26, 2014 22:45
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Barudak posted:rather than severe discount in 6-8 months. I imagine that this is probably part of the reason that the Club Nintendo deal is only for a limited time.
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May 26, 2014 22:50
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Ultigonio posted:It may be more appropriate to say that the Wii U "was a financial failure" 5-6 years from now when the system's only sold 20 million. Even Nintendo doesn't think it's gonna sell more than 20 million units so I think it's ok to pencil it in as kind of a train wreck right now.
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May 26, 2014 22:57
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Ultigonio posted:It may be more appropriate to say that the Wii U "was a financial failure" 5-6 years from now when the system's only sold 20 million. Fair enough. But being bearish on the Wii U's prospects should in no way impede you from enjoying the games it currently has, and vice versa.
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May 26, 2014 23:09
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Mario Kart Week. It's just getting started. 
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May 26, 2014 23:10
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Now to watch the underwhelming sales figures in real time!
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May 26, 2014 23:11
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Barudak posted:I can't imagine there are a lot of Nintendo fans left who are waiting to buy both a WiiU and MK8 at full price rather than severe discount in 6-8 months. I'd expect a decent amount of demand on the bundle. The other big hitters on the Wii haven't really moved consoles but MK is a pretty compelling game. Suspicious Dish posted:Now to watch the underwhelming sales figures in real time! June 4th for 1st weekend retail sales in Japan, 19th for the same in America (if they get leaked). Or earlier if Nintendo share them. Exciting!
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May 26, 2014 23:21
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I dunno about you guys, but I'll be playing MK8 (and Wind Waker) come Friday. I could give fuckall how many copies it sells.
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May 26, 2014 23:56
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I'm going to play games and have fun, too! And then laugh at Nintendo's poor management and botched decision making skills! Win/win scenario!
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May 27, 2014 00:06
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There were more copies of Halo 3 pressed than there were 360s to play them on at the time. If you're expecting something to sell well and move hardware, it's not that big of a stretch.
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Bovineicide posted:There were more copies of Halo 3 pressed than there were 360s to play them on at the time. If you're expecting something to sell well and move hardware, it's not that big of a stretch. Really? Halo 3 sold 11.5 million copies by 2013 having launched in September 2007. The 360 had already shipped 11.6 million units worldwide by July 2007 and by 4 days after Halo 3 came out they'd notched up to almost 13 million So basically if this were true, Microsoft still had 100,000 copies of Halo 3 that were pressed back in 2007 sitting around unsold as late as last year. That doesn't sound likely to me.
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