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Without Onslaught there would be no Thunderbolts. Immediately better than Doomsday
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# ? May 25, 2014 17:17 |
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# ? May 13, 2024 06:39 |
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I think Onslaught is what made me mostly give up comics for, like, over twenty years. It came right after The Age of Apocalypse, right? And it was another huge, multiple-series spanning event that meant I'd have to go out and buy a ton of comics I wouldn't have read otherwise to get the whole story, wasn't it? Yeah, I just said "gently caress it" and gave up.
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# ? May 25, 2014 17:20 |
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OldTennisCourt posted:I always thought that the basic idea of Onslaught was kind of interesting, the fact that he's the worst aspects of Prof. X and Magneto fused together, but I guess it's just another lovely 90's MEGA EVENT comic. I'm pretty sure the entire creative process for Onslaught was Scott Lobdell thinking it would be really cool if there was a bad guy who could punch Juggernaut from California to New Jersey.
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# ? May 25, 2014 17:22 |
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I think that the evil from Magneto and Xavier has leaked into the real world through the pages of the Spider-man comics. We're current;y stuck in the grip of OnSLOTT with no hope of escape.
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# ? May 25, 2014 17:24 |
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Rhyno posted:Until Geoff Johns got his hands on him. Did Johns not come up with the idea of him developing Kryptonian powers, or did that start sooner? I know he came up with the idea that Superboy also had Luthor's DNA based on a fan theory he'd had years before he got into comics.
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# ? May 25, 2014 17:27 |
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Metal Loaf posted:Did Johns not come up with the idea of him developing Kryptonian powers, or did that start sooner? Kon was starting to change and develop all new powers in the Joe Kelly run but as soon as the series ended all of that got chucked out the window. I haven't read the last 10 issues of that Superboy series in something like 10 years so I can't recall but I'm pretty sure the development of actual Kryptonian powers was all Johns since previously he was just a human clone with telekinetic powers designed to mimic Superman's.
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# ? May 25, 2014 17:30 |
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Kon started to pick up Kryptonian powers after that Young Justice event where all the kids were turned adult and vice versa, if I remember correctly. He couldn't age because his DNA was hosed up, but once it was fixed he started getting powers that weren't just applications of TK.
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# ? May 25, 2014 19:12 |
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Alien Rope Burn posted:It's not fondly remembered largely because of the nonsensical ending where most of Earth's heroes find suicide a viable solution, and the following Heroes Reborn taking a dump on many of Marvel's major titles for about a year. If it wasn't for that it'd probably fall in line with Maximum Carnage and other overwrought but mostly just silly 90s crossovers. Hey, what could possibly go wrong by giving Marvel flagship books (except X-Men and Spider-Man) to the Image creators for a year? But yeah, Onslaught is just another bad 90's comic cross over for the pile. More readable than The Crossing, at least.
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# ? May 25, 2014 19:20 |
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Random Stranger posted:Hey, what could possibly go wrong by giving Marvel flagship books (except X-Men and Spider-Man) to the Image creators for a year? The Image creators and Jeph Loeb too!
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# ? May 25, 2014 19:37 |
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CapnAndy posted:Kon started to pick up Kryptonian powers after that Young Justice event where all the kids were turned adult and vice versa, if I remember correctly. He couldn't age because his DNA was hosed up, but once it was fixed he started getting powers that weren't just applications of TK. No, his eyebeams were still TK based. He didn't have any vision powers. At one point Match taunted him for not knowing how to focus his TK powers as an eye blast.
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# ? May 25, 2014 20:55 |
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Does DC have any reality benders like Proteus or Scarlet Witch?
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# ? May 27, 2014 14:16 |
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Superboy Prime
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# ? May 27, 2014 14:18 |
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zoux posted:Does DC have any reality benders like Proteus or Scarlet Witch? Captain Atom Matthew Stuart/Bedlam Mr. Mxyzptlk nosyarG ciD/Larry Superman Prime The First Lantern/Volthoom The Spectre Trigon The Great Evil Beast Mxy is one I should have thought of redbackground fucked around with this message at 14:52 on May 27, 2014 |
# ? May 27, 2014 14:46 |
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redbackground posted:Because Internet, there's a wiki page of comic book characters with that specific power. DC characters listed are: That list also includes Kyle Broflovski
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# ? May 27, 2014 14:49 |
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zoux posted:That list also includes Kyle Broflovski In the tooth fairy episode of South Park Kyle starts to doubt what is real (because of his parents lying to him) and he kind of steps outside of reality for a minute.
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# ? May 27, 2014 15:58 |
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muscles like this? posted:In the tooth fairy episode of South Park Kyle starts to doubt what is real (because of his parents lying to him) and he kind of steps outside of reality for a minute. I see.... Also today I saw that Galactus is on the cover or Ultimate Cataclysm, so are they retconning Gah Lak Tus or what here?
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# ? May 27, 2014 16:05 |
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zoux posted:I see.... Nah he just hopped over to the ultimate universe for a bit
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# ? May 27, 2014 16:05 |
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zoux posted:I see.... Due to Age of Ultron Galactus was shifted over to the Ultimate Universe.
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# ? May 27, 2014 16:06 |
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So does that mean 616 is currently Galactus free?
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# ? May 27, 2014 16:08 |
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zoux posted:So does that mean 616 is currently Galactus free? He is in the Negative Zone right now so he could easily return to 616
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# ? May 27, 2014 16:09 |
bobkatt013 posted:He is in the Negative Zone right now so he could easily return to 616 So they're going with "there's only one negative zone" again?
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# ? May 27, 2014 16:17 |
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zoux posted:Also today I saw that Galactus is on the cover or Ultimate Cataclysm, so are they retconning Gah Lak Tus or what here? Nah, Galactus took over Gah Lak Tus and used it as an ersatz herald during Hunger, but Gah Lak Tus was defeated and sent to the Negative Zone prior to Galactus proper. Then the X-Men beat it up a lot when they accidentally got bounced into it.
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# ? May 27, 2014 16:47 |
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I have started reading Exiles because I want to relive the early 2000's pretty hard. I managed to get the first 2 trades and I quite enjoyed them. I went to one comic shop and noticed that they were missing volume 3 and 4, but had volume 5 upwards. This is no biggie as I am sure I can find the other volumes somewhere else. What I did notice was that the volumes 5 and up were written by different writers. There is Chuck Austen (who I know I should avoid), Bedard, and Claremont. I just want to know if any of the trades written by others not named Winnick are worth reading, or if I should just stick to the Winnick stuff.
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# ? May 27, 2014 17:11 |
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Unless you really really love Psylocke and all of Claremont's other pet characters, stay as far away from his Exiles stuff as possible. Oh and there's lots and lots of mind control.
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# ? May 27, 2014 17:33 |
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Austen's run on Exiles wasn't horrible, actually. Bedard's run is okay, too. That said, you're not missing a whole lot if you just stop reading when Winick leaves.
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# ? May 27, 2014 18:23 |
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redbackground posted:Because Internet, there's a wiki page of comic book/pop culture characters with that specific power. DC characters listed are: Barry Allen caused Flashpoint and the New 52. If SB Prime counts, Barry runs circles around him.
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# ? May 27, 2014 22:49 |
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HitTheTargets posted:Barry Allen caused Flashpoint and the New 52. If SB Prime counts, Barry runs circles around him. Actually, Superman Prime is different then Superboy Prime, even though Superboy Prime did use that name in Countdown because of legal issues. Superman Prime the reality warper was present Superman's future incarnation in DC One Million. He was solid gold and could create life and poo poo like that.
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# ? May 28, 2014 00:21 |
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HitTheTargets posted:Barry Allen caused Flashpoint and the New 52. If SB Prime counts, Barry runs circles around him.
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# ? May 28, 2014 03:37 |
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Is Final Crisis still worth reading post-New52? For some reason I've just never read it despite loving Morrison and DC at that time.
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# ? May 28, 2014 05:59 |
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I think it's fantastic, although it's a little bit sad that DC's response to Morrison's passionate "comics should be fun, this grim and gritty dark-so-dark bullshit is a literal vampire that is literally bleeding the industry dry and will kill it" screed was "what's that you say? We should make everything darker and get rid of all the fun poo poo? Okay then"
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# ? May 28, 2014 06:07 |
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Unmature posted:Is Final Crisis still worth reading post-New52? For some reason I've just never read it despite loving Morrison and DC at that time. Yeah but it's vvvveeerrryyyy morrison so read it, then read a companion, then read it a few more times. I didn't like it at all when I first read it and now it's one of my favorite books. Also if you're not getting the TPB make sure you get Superman Beyond
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# ? May 28, 2014 06:24 |
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Unmature posted:Is Final Crisis still worth reading post-New52? For some reason I've just never read it despite loving Morrison and DC at that time. It has just as much impact now in Nu52 as it did pre Nu52.
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# ? May 28, 2014 06:31 |
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Unmature posted:Is Final Crisis still worth reading post-New52? For some reason I've just never read it despite loving Morrison and DC at that time. Realize that it is mostly meta commentary on comics, plus some art errors, plus some cool scenes, plus some cool action and character moments. Madkal posted:It has just as much impact now in Nu52 as it did pre Nu52. Batman would disagree.
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# ? May 28, 2014 06:47 |
Unmature posted:Is Final Crisis still worth reading post-New52? For some reason I've just never read it despite loving Morrison and DC at that time. Never worry about comics "counting". If the premise, the creators, the characters, whatever appeal to you, read it. I didn't care for Final Crisis as it's peak Morrison, but if you like DC and like Morrison, you'll probably enjoy it.
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# ? May 28, 2014 09:18 |
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Opopanax posted:Yeah but it's vvvveeerrryyyy morrison so read it, then read a companion, then read it a few more times. I didn't like it at all when I first read it and now it's one of my favorite books. Is that the one that was in 3D? I wanted to like it, but it hurt my eyes so much it just sucked.
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# ? May 28, 2014 13:05 |
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prefect posted:Is that the one that was in 3D? I wanted to like it, but it hurt my eyes so much it just sucked. redbackground fucked around with this message at 14:47 on May 28, 2014 |
# ? May 28, 2014 13:20 |
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Unmature posted:Is Final Crisis still worth reading post-New52? For some reason I've just never read it despite loving Morrison and DC at that time. I don't think the fact that it's a Pre-New 52 comic should put you off reading it. Since if one follows that line of logic, you'd be ruling out a lot of really good books. I would argue don't read it for other reasons, since I hated it. In a way, I thought, it captures all the worst elements of Morrison. a confusing story, a book that required you to read a load of tie ins to make any sense out of, characters presented grossly out of character to conform to some archetypes that Morrison has in his head, sections that are (supposedly) deliberately confusing just to make a kind of meta point and dialogue that is impossibly clunky and awkward. That being said, you say you really like Morrison's work, so feel free to try it. Just because I didn't like it, doesn't mean it's automatically garbage as other people here say they like it.
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# ? May 28, 2014 15:23 |
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No, I know a good comic is a good comic, guys. I was just curious since it was a big event book if the main reason to read it was for a good story or for what it was setting up.
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# ? May 28, 2014 15:31 |
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It's interesting, but more for the ideas than the story, which is muddled as other people have mentioned. It's certainly one of the better line-wide crossovers DC has had since... ... uh... ... wow. A long time. Certainly the one most worth reading of the 2000-Present era, at least.
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# ? May 28, 2014 15:40 |
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Alien Rope Burn posted:It's interesting, but more for the ideas than the story, which is muddled as other people have mentioned. It's certainly one of the better line-wide crossovers DC has had since... 52, though.
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# ? May 28, 2014 15:46 |