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It's been said before that SM's and even Primarchs, with their bulky tonnage, can walk around in full plate like it was nothing, completely avoiding detection. I'd imagine a walking tank would be anything but quiet.
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The basic idea of power armor (in all it's scifi incarnations from EE Smith to self published stuff) can be distilled down to the elevator pitch of "a tank capable of doing parkour." So if you are granting that, gently caress it, you may as well allow it to be stealthy too. Figure it makes as much noise as a Tesla, not a station wagon and roll with it.
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May 27, 2014 16:09
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I don't know if it's some sort of specialized skill but it seems like the Night Lords never have a problem being stealthy, except for the Raptors - but then again Sahaal manages to pull off some serious Batman moves despite his jump pack, so I guess it's "ability dictated by plot."
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May 27, 2014 16:22
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I just read the Night Lords series and there's a point where Talos remarks that even for Night Lords there are limits to stealth when you're talking power armor. Pretty sure it's when they attack the monastery of the Marines Errant. Vengeful Spirit had that bit with Loken thinking "wtf how do those guys do that" regarding Severus and whoever else it was that could walk in power armour without making a huge racket.
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May 27, 2014 18:01
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DirtyRobot posted:I just read the Night Lords series and there's a point where Talos remarks that even for Night Lords there are limits to stealth when you're talking power armor. Pretty sure it's when they attack the monastery of the Marines Errant. Yep it's in book two of the Night Lords series.
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May 27, 2014 18:49
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DirtyRobot posted:I just read the Night Lords series and there's a point where Talos remarks that even for Night Lords there are limits to stealth when you're talking power armor. Pretty sure it's when they attack the monastery of the Marines Errant. That said, the Night Lords are stealth specialists. So basically them and the Raven Guard get that extra sneaky power. Most marines don't have a need for stealth as it's kind of against their basic doctrine.
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May 27, 2014 19:24
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When they need stealth the marines employ scouts. The authors forget this because, presumably, super-human special forces dudes aren't as cool as ten-foot tall Mary Sues.
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May 27, 2014 19:26
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Its also that much harder on a stealth op for the marines to constantly be screaming "BROTHER" at each other.
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May 27, 2014 20:44
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Sergeant Cyrus of the Blood Ravens does the best stealth operations *everything suddenly explodes* The problem with this book was no the stealth moments per se, but the entire operation objective was dumb and it's only purpose was to put Loken and Horus in the same spot so they could have their little Darth Vader and Luke moment
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May 27, 2014 20:52
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Angry Lobster posted:Sergeant Cyrus of the Blood Ravens does the best stealth operations *everything suddenly explodes* It was really polite of those 28 demons and 4 terminators to let the knights stop and have a conversation with Horus every few strikes rather than just ripping the unarmed and unarmored imperials to shreds instantly Fried Chicken fucked around with this message at 22:44 on May 27, 2014 |
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May 27, 2014 22:03
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Honestly i thought the whole stealth mission was basically Russ saying "I don't loving trust any of you marines from traitor legions, here is a suicide mission, go kill yourselves."
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May 27, 2014 22:13
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Just looked at the 7th edition lore book, and is it exactly the same as the prevision version? Is the setting stuck in 999.M41 for the foreseeable future? I'm a big dork and want to know what happens to the 13th Black Crusade.
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May 27, 2014 22:42
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Erfsom posted:Just looked at the 7th edition lore book, and is it exactly the same as the prevision version? Is the setting stuck in 999.M41 for the foreseeable future? I'm a big dork and want to know what happens to the 13th Black Crusade.
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May 27, 2014 22:51
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Erfsom posted:Just looked at the 7th edition lore book, and is it exactly the same as the prevision version? Is the setting stuck in 999.M41 for the foreseeable future? I'm a big dork and want to know what happens to the 13th Black Crusade. Get used to disappointment. What's sad is that GW used to care enough about that kind of poo poo to let us the players influence it. Of course, even though Disorder "won", they didn't really let Chaos win. And hell, they were supposed to kill Eldraad because Disorder won and hey, he's still in the 6E Eldar book.  So no, there will never be another 13th Black Crusade event, which was the last time the "story", such as it is, moved forward at all. They will never do Warhammer 41k and let us know what happens next. There is no next aside from new editions, new codexes, new miniatures, and new ways to take your money. The way they've done 7th Edition proves that.
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Man, I missed the Global Campaigns. Anyone else remember Medusa V? I ran Orks, and that was a total blast.
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I did 13th Black Crusade, which is why I'm still a little bitter about the lack of resolution since then. I played a lot of Gothic back then, and put all my victories, both 40k and BFG, into the Cadia sector so when they did the results and were like "Well, Cadia's hosed but the Fleet are the heroes for trapping Chaos on Cadia!" that felt really good to me because it was like my little fleet actions mattered. I was saddened that Order lost over all, but I was looking forward to seeing the next campaign and where the story went from there. Which never happened. And Eldraad stayed in the game despite getting his brain eaten by a Blackstone Fortress. And it seems like my fleet buddies did too good a job because Abaddon never left Cadia. And everything...just...stopped. Its a sad state of affairs, especially since they've got the resources to do more with the main line but they're stuck doing 30k instead.
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Even without the 30K trend, I'm fairly sure I remember reading some press release from GW from before they did the Horus Heresy books that they were done with global campaigns because "they didn't reach the right audience" or somesuch. Sad thing is, the trick with that would have been to do them better rather than give up on 'em and go do something else.
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May 27, 2014 23:16
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Orks will always win this global events, they are that awesome and have the most enthusiastic players, especially in Fantasy, I'm looking at you Storm of Chaos and Archaon. And shouldn't Cadia be technically impossible to conquer with a land invasion? Not due to their enormous number of troops stationed there, or their mighty fortifications, not at all. Cadia is the private lawn of that magnificent bastard, that tactical genius, Ursarkar Creed and his troupe of silly stealthy infiltrating Titans and Baneblades 
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May 27, 2014 23:20
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in EoT weren't the Orks the ones who said "gently caress YOUR STORY, WE'RE ALL INVADINGG MORDAX PRIME AND NOW IT'S MORDAKKA!" and did so?
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Angry Lobster posted:Orks will always win this global events, they are that awesome and have the most enthusiastic players, especially in Fantasy, I'm looking at you Storm of Chaos and Archaon. In Fantasy? Didn't the Skaven once won a global event, or did I remember this wrong?
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May 27, 2014 23:48
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bunnyofdoom posted:in EoT weren't the Orks the ones who said "gently caress YOUR STORY, WE'RE ALL INVADINGG MORDAX PRIME AND NOW IT'S MORDAKKA!" and did so? Yep. GW wanted the Orks to be allied with Chaos, Ork players went gently caress that poo poo and went off to do their own thing.
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Libluini posted:In Fantasy? Didn't the Skaven once won a global event, or did I remember this wrong? Maybe, I was joking a bit with the orc part and I haven't paid attention to Fantasy since 7th edition, so it's possible more online campaigns have been released. The thing with Storm of Chaos, if I recall correctly, is that some factions, like Orcs, were neutral and could send their victories to either Order or Chaos. The funny thing is it was later stated that the games sent by the Orc players were more than double than every other faction put together, so they could decide the fate of the campaign all by themselfs. Funnily, Orcs players decided to troll Chaos players hard and the bulk of their games were sent to the Order side, effectively winning the campaign thanks to that. GW wrote this result as Grimgor, who was supposedly an ally or Archaon, stepped in the epic duel between Archaon and Valten when the former was about to win, sucker punched Archaon, refused to kill him and declared himself the best and da strongest, proceeding to abandon the field with his army because it was full of weaklings, thus, victory of Order. Angry Lobster fucked around with this message at 00:11 on May 28, 2014 |
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Angry Lobster posted:The thing with Storm of Chaos, if I recall correctly... You do, and it was glorious. Speaking of Fantasy, a mate of mine has a copy of the Ambassador Chronicles trilogy sitting on his bookshelf. Is the series any good?
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Serpentis posted:You do, and it was glorious.
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Angry Lobster posted:Sergeant Cyrus of the Blood Ravens does the best stealth operations *everything suddenly explodes* Angry Lobster posted:And shouldn't Cadia be technically impossible to conquer with a land invasion? Not due to their enormous number of troops stationed there, or their mighty fortifications, not at all. Cadia is the private lawn of that magnificent bastard, that tactical genius, Ursarkar Creed and his troupe of silly stealthy infiltrating Titans and Baneblades What I wouldn't give for a novel where Cyrus and Creed meet up and do a thing. Abaddon is standing on a hill surveying his forces, when suddenly he realizes he's actually standing on hundreds of explosives stacked to look exactly like a Titan that somehow looks like a hill too. "CREEEEEEEEE-" *BOOM*
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Cadia is nothing but a hollowed out metal shell. Underneath is nothing but millions of Titan deploy tubes that at a moments notice a Titan can rise out of the ground like it was deployed like the Eva's in Neon Genesis Evangeleon. BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD.... *Seven Warlords deploy in a circle with plasma cannons charged* ...oh god
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jng2058 posted:I did 13th Black Crusade, which is why I'm still a little bitter about the lack of resolution since then. I played a lot of Gothic back then, and put all my victories, both 40k and BFG, into the Cadia sector so when they did the results and were like "Well, Cadia's hosed but the Fleet are the heroes for trapping Chaos on Cadia!" that felt really good to me because it was like my little fleet actions mattered. I was saddened that Order lost over all, but I was looking forward to seeing the next campaign and where the story went from there. The Eye Of Terror campaign could have been the start of something cool but GW bottled it when they realised it might actually involve some work to represent the results in the backstory.
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The Orks in the EoT campaign were really helped that the campaign had it's own forum, the chaos side of which was a well organised machine of total devastation and the imperial side was totally loving lame. The eldar, necron, tau and Orks were organised on and off forum, added up their wins and put them In places that mattered. The imperial fleet did the same with one or two users actually orchestrating fleet manoeuvres like a ballet, drawing out the chaos BFG wins before striking hard with their own victories in the Cadian system. Of course, it was all bollocks and I bet half the games added were entirely fictional, but it was exciting as hell! It was, for one brief moment, What eve online would become, before it was quietly ignored forever. The Armageddon campaign was equally awesome and led to the phenomenally great fluff of Tycho losing his poo poo and becoming death company at the walls of Hive Tempestora.
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I'm not really into much of the tabletop stuff but the global campaigns sound really interesting and like a lot of fun to get involved in while they still had them. But no, we gotta have grimdark eternal stagnation etc etc
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Speaking of stealth how the gently caress do silenced bolters work. Just now reading Vengeful spirit where one's used. A bolter is basically firing rocket grenades. Propelled by a rocket with an explosive warhead, how the hell do you silence that?
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May 28, 2014 15:58
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Stalker bolters don't fire normal bolter rounds. They fire solid mercury shells at subsonic speeds and the rocket propellant is replaced with a gas cartridge.
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I was able to look through a copy of Extermination (Forgeworld Book). I just did a quick glance of it but there's no real mention of Omegon at all. There is a really cool little section about Alpharius' various origins though that I'll see if I can grab a copy of for people to read through.
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The Night Lords Omnibus is available now through Black Library eBooks, if anyone is interested.Shadowhand00 posted:I was able to look through a copy of Extermination (Forgeworld Book). I just did a quick glance of it but there's no real mention of Omegon at all. There is a really cool little section about Alpharius' various origins though that I'll see if I can grab a copy of for people to read through. I could be wrong, but the information on Alpharius and Omegon being the same primarch in two bodies is so secret that only the legion knows about it and all official records or details on him basically describe him as a high ranking Astartes within the Alpha Legion and that's about it. So it wouldn't surprise me if there's nothing on Omegon specifically in Extermination.
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Shadowhand00 posted:I was able to look through a copy of Extermination (Forgeworld Book). I just did a quick glance of it but there's no real mention of Omegon at all. There is a really cool little section about Alpharius' various origins though that I'll see if I can grab a copy of for people to read through. Woah, when does that hit street?
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Just finished re-reading Cain's Last Stand, I realized that the ending is funnier now. See, cause it was probably Trazyn going "Shadowlight? That sounds awesome. I think I ahve room for it"
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Frankly posted:I'm not really into much of the tabletop stuff but the global campaigns sound really interesting and like a lot of fun to get involved in while they still had them. But no, we gotta have grimdark eternal stagnation etc etc Those campaigns didn't advance anything - they just told a story, which is what the game should be about. You don't need to advance the story if you have interesting events that add to the mythos. Fried Chicken posted:Woah, when does that hit street? It's been out for some time now...
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AndyElusive posted:The Night Lords Omnibus is available now through Black Library eBooks, if anyone is interested. Yeah, for 16 loving dollars No joke, that's crazy cheap by BL standards.
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For the equivalent of 3 full books and extra short stories, that's pretty loving cheap by most standards.
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