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Annointed posted:•A new My Little Pony series? Well considering how lame the latest couple of adaptations has been it probably isn't going to be anything specia — wait, Lauren Faust is in charge of it?!? Male characters? They're bringing back Applejack with her G1 color scheme?! A villain for the first time since G1? Winged Unicorns?!? Well, this might be awesome.
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Hey uh, someone mentioned a thing earlier in the thread about how Madoka Magica was created by someone who's basically troper levels of creepy, could anyone expand on that (either here or in the ADTRW thread for that show if it'd be too much of a derail)? My understanding was that Gen Urobuchi is a pretty normal dude and just likes putting characters he writes through hell, so I'm kind of curious now. Gonna go for some low-hanging fruit here: Rape Portrayed as Redemption ( |
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) Could also be related to The Woobie.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:This is so goddamn contrived. What brony ever gave half a poo poo about the original cartoon? Who are these "male characters" apart from, what, the dragon kid? Why the rapturous incredulity toward winged unicorns? It's so obvious that whoever wrote this was just pulling retroactive hype for the show out of his rear end so he could pretend that there was anything behind the bronies' genesis besides "4chan's ~ironic~ creepy kids' show affections needed to go somewhere new after LazyTown ended." (I'm guessing that the involvement of one of Cartoon Network's bigger names is what gave it that first push into the realm of hideous, misplaced sincerity.) LazyTown's still running, my young cousins love it.
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Or perhaps in a "child-friendly" version, just sexually assaulted. I just woke up and I can just tell that this is going to be the worst thing that I read today.
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Testekill posted:Or perhaps in a "child-friendly" version, just sexually assaulted. Did you miss "(statutory rape instead of non-consensual rape)"?
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SALT CURES HAM posted:Gonna go for some low-hanging fruit here: Yeah the Vagina Monologues bit there really is kind of horrible. The original version included the phrase "if it was rape, it was good rape." It's pretty understandable why that one usually gets cut.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:This is so goddamn contrived. What brony ever gave half a poo poo about the original cartoon? Who are these "male characters" apart from, what, the dragon kid? Why the rapturous incredulity toward winged unicorns? It's so obvious that whoever wrote this was just pulling retroactive hype for the show out of his rear end so he could pretend that there was anything behind the bronies' genesis besides "4chan's ~ironic~ creepy kids' show affections needed to go somewhere new after LazyTown ended." (I'm guessing that the involvement of one of Cartoon Network's bigger names is what gave it that first push into the realm of hideous, misplaced sincerity.) There... There were fans before the bronies dude. Just like how He-Man kinda still has fans. e: Christ, I'm sure Bionicle still has fans. Gotta hold that loving torch.
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Triskelli posted:There... There were fans before the bronies dude. Just like how He-Man kinda still has fans. Shut your mouth, Bionicle was awesome. 
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Metal Loaf posted:Did you miss "(statutory rape instead of non-consensual rape)"? I take it back, that is the worst thing that I've read today. How are these people so fundamentally broken that they can type something like that without a full body cringe coming on?
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ungulateman posted:Shut your mouth, Bionicle was awesome. Oh hell loving yeah, I'm not saying it wasn't awesome. That was one of the coolest things Lego ever did. Twelve years ago. When I was still in grade school. But the idea that there are fans of what it wound up being by the end is stretching it a bit. And the idea that there's a continuing fandom with fanfiction being written, petitioning Lego to revive the franchise etc. is where the torchbearing gets a little sad. I mean, take it from  quote:In the end, the Toa Nuva finally wake up Mata Nui - allowing Makuta to commit Grand Theft Me and usurp the Great Spirit, sealing Mata Nui's spirit into the Mask of Life and exiling it into space. Nice Job Waking It, Heroes. So the entire universe was actually a giant robot, and then satan gets killed when he assumes control of robo-god's body and gets hit in the head by a meteor? Jesus. Still, not the worst article on the webs... quote:Because of this, the fandom considers him (Greg Farshtey) My Real Daddy. Ah. Triskelli fucked around with this message at 01:11 on May 29, 2014 |
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Testekill posted:I take it back, that is the worst thing that I've read today. How are these people so fundamentally broken that they can type something like that without a full body cringe coming on? Well, they're right within the context of the monologue. It actually is treated as being a totally good thing and not at all horrible. The text actually describes it as "a good rape." Of course, that is in and of itself supremely hosed up, but it's not the Tropers' fault this time.
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Triskelli posted:There... There were fans before the bronies dude. Just like how He-Man kinda still has fans.
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Sham bam bamina! posted:Obviously, but let's not kid ourselves here; the average neckbeard who jerks it to sexy Twilight Sparkle fanart probably wasn't watching the show in 1984. Oh yeah no arguing that, I'm just countering your assertion that there wasn't a fandom to rejoice before the newest show came out.
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GIANT OUIJA BOARD posted:Yeah the Vagina Monologues bit there really is kind of horrible. The original version included the phrase "if it was rape, it was good rape." It's pretty understandable why that one usually gets cut. Jesus.  I was mostly pointing it out because of the "statutory rape, not non-consensual rape" thing because jesus loving christ, but that makes it even worse.
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GIANT OUIJA BOARD posted:Well, they're right within the context of the monologue. It actually is treated as being a totally good thing and not at all horrible. The text actually describes it as "a good rape." TvTropes Pleads the Fifth: It's Not the Tropers' Fault This Time
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Triskelli posted:Still, not the worst article on the webs... I mean, all that means is that even though the dude didn't create the thing, he added most of the recognizable traits to it. Sorta like Fabian Nicieza with Deadpool or Keiji Inafune with Mega Man. TVTropes delenda est, but that one's kinda reaching. 
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SALT CURES HAM posted:Hey uh, someone mentioned a thing earlier in the thread about how Madoka Magica was created by someone who's basically troper levels of creepy, could anyone expand on that (either here or in the ADTRW thread for that show if it'd be too much of a derail)? My understanding was that Gen Urobuchi is a pretty normal dude and just likes putting characters he writes through hell, so I'm kind of curious now. Guy's a piece of poo poo who made underage porn. Look up Song of Saya. In fact, why don't I link the TVTropes article for it? Includes copious amounts of rape as expected.
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GIANT OUIJA BOARD posted:Well, they're right within the context of the monologue. It actually is treated as being a totally good thing and not at all horrible. The text actually describes it as "a good rape." Even with the context whoever wrote that is still hosed up. I mean, that aside isn't necessary (the speaker being drunk and seduced gets the point across) and the way it's worded makes it look like statutory rape and "non-consensual" rape are completely different, full stop. I feel like that's something tropers would embrace since they're so obsessed with loving young girls and trying desperately to justify themselves, like it gives them a pass to be creepy because "Well, this 14 year old didn't say no so it's not rape, she consented! " and "Age of consent laws are so oppressive, why can't I have sex with a willing preteen! ", etc. There's also the fact that the speaker was drunk, no matter how many hoops you jump through to justify statutory rape there's still the fact that drunk people technically are unable to consent. Whatever the message of the monologue and whether it was "good" rape or not (which is still pretty hosed up), I feel like that aside says a lot.But I might be looking too much into this. 
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You're not looking too much into this. I saw the Vagina Monologues performed and the audience became very uncomfortable on that number, probably more so than they were on the one about the Bosnian refugee that was raped, because as horrifying as that story was it didn't include a horrifyingly dissonant line like that that was almost played for laughs.
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HGH posted:Guy's a piece of poo poo who made underage porn. Look up Song of Saya. In fact, why don't I link the TVTropes article for it? Includes copious amounts of rape as expected. Oh yeah, that thing (which I was already aware of and just didn't make the connection). Not touching that with a 10-foot pole.
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Patter Song posted:You're not looking too much into this. I saw the Vagina Monologues performed and the audience became very uncomfortable on that number, probably more so than they were on the one about the Bosnian refugee that was raped, because as horrifying as that story was it didn't include a horrifyingly dissonant line like that that was almost played for laughs. What the gently caress? I so strongly disagree with how incorrect this is that I can't even... Okay. You know what? Let's compare Bosnian Refugee *she was raped by ten men a day for days on end and that she could never sleep because men were always inside of her *men shove objects in her vagina such as broken bottles. One man shoves a rifle inside her and tells her he'll kill her if she doesn't gently caress him *she describes the experience like screeching sounds like a lemon being scraped as her vagina was being torn apart *she describes how she's hosed so many times her taint is ripped open *she tells how part of her vagina fall off in her hand *she says that no matter how many times she bathes she can't get the smell of those men out of her vagina and she can't wash out the stink of their fish breath off her skin *she explains that her vagina used to be beautiful river and now its a desolate wasteland The Little Cootchie Snorcher That Could *as a child, a little boy hits her in the vagina *as a child, she's jumping on the bed, gets into an accident, and has to have surgery on her vagina *as a child she's raped by her dad's friend and then witnesses her dad shooting the rapist and severing his spine and has blood all over her *at sixteen, she meets an older woman (who is 24) and has consensual sex and learns that her vagina doesn't have to be a place of pain. Right. So excuse me if I have a difficult time believing you when you say that your audience was more uncomfortable with the story where a woman ends up discovering herself than one where a woman is horrifically and repeatedly gang raped. For those unfamiliar with the Little Cootchie Snorcher allow me to quickly summarize the part that involved statutory rape. "We went to her apartment. It was really cute and there were all these beads and stuff hanging in the doors. She said I was too you to drink and I said "Make me one anyway" and she does. We ended up rubbed our bodies and I didn't even know what an orgasm was and she gave me one just with her fingers. I learned that vaginas are awesome. I'm happy I met her because it made me love my vagina" There is no line about it being a "good rape." Period. In fact, here's a link to the story. I'm not arguing that statutory rape is a good thing. I don't want to get into that. Its bad. Heterosexual or homosexual, a relationship between a 24 year old and a 16 year old is bad. Cootchie Snorcher is one of the most commonly used reasons to try and ban the Vagina Monologues, by the way. Kind of interesting. But the focus is never on the age difference. Its about self-discovery. These are all also based on true accounts. So its not like the author is trying to give you the heebies jeebies over poo poo that never happened. The only way I can see you hating the Little Cootchie Snorcher more is if the actress was terrible. The Vagina Monologues stipulates that every person who identifies as a woman that auditions most be allowed to participate. They don't have to be cast but they have to be offered an opportunity to be involved in some capacity (stage managing, backstage, etc). So there might just have been a lovely actress. But if you're watching the show and thinking, "Gross. This consensual sex story is the worst because that girl is underage" and its because of the acting then maybe you should try and watch the show with a critical eye and stop being so goddamn idiotic.
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In the original version of Cootchie Snorcher, she was 13. And the line "If it was rape, it was a good rape" was absolutely in the first edition. These things were edited because people were, quite rightly, "what the gently caress?" about them.
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AlbieQuirky posted:In the original version of Cootchie Snorcher, she was 13. And the line "If it was rape, it was a good rape" was absolutely in the first edition. Yes. And that version hasn't been performed in, like, ten years. But whatever. Let's say it's included, would now you argue that it makes the story worse than the Bosnian one? Please read them both. Then, please respond. I would like to go ahead and reiterate that I think statutory rape is wrong. Even if its consensual its still wrong. What I'm arguing is that its hosed up to be more disturbed by the age gape of the story than the graphic details of the Bosnian one. Especially when you view the the language of the pieces.
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Tyrannosaurus posted:Yes. And that version hasn't been performed in, like, ten years. But whatever. Let's say it's included, would now you argue that it makes the story worse than the Bosnian one? Please respond. No one said they were only disturbed just because of the age gap. They're disturbed because it's protraying rape (and no it was not consensual. Drunk people can't give informed consent, regardless of age) of a minor as a good thing.
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AngryRobotsInc posted:No one said they were only disturbed just because of the age gap. They're disturbed because it's protraying rape (and no it was not consensual. Drunk people can't give informed consent, regardless of age) of a minor as a good thing. Did you read the stories or are just bickering with me?
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Tyrannosaurus posted:Did you read the stories or are just bickering with me? I've read them before, yes. And? One portrays rape as a demeaning, demoralizing terrible thing. One portrays rape by a man as that, but rape by a woman as an enlightening, uplifting experience. I fail to see how being more disturbed by that is a problem.
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Thank you for joining this thread to explain why the "good rape" of a drunk thirteen-year-old actually isn't creepy or disturbing at all
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Forums user Tyrannosaurus you may not be aware but rape is generally considered bad so portraying rape as good is pretty weird, hope that helps
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Thank you for joining this thread to explain why the "good rape" of a drunk thirteen-year-old actually isn't creepy or disturbing at all
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Thank you for taking the higher ground by saying that I'm advocating rape which I'm clearly not. You took a piece of female empowerment and say that its If you would like to win the argument then fine. You win. I would like to once again reiterate my disbelief in someone clearly remembering an audienc's reaction to a ten year old performance and thinking that a woman being gang raped by broken bottles is less disturbing than a woman discovering something positive in her sexuality even that discovery came in a dark place Tyrannosaurus fucked around with this message at 01:50 on May 31, 2014 |
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All aboard the train! toot toot
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Last I checked, raping drunk people, minors, or drunk minors is wrong, even if the victim doesn't find it wrong or manages to find some sort of empowerment from it.
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I agree. Its wrong. I shouldn't have said wrong early. I should have said invalid.
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Tyrannosaurus posted:Thank you for taking the higher ground by saying that I'm advocating rape which I'm clearly not. As a woman who was sexually assaulted while drunk and underage, I didn't find that piece empowering, even in its current version. In the original version, it made me really angry. Objectively, of course the stories of the Bosnian survivors are horrifying and reflect more severe trauma. But the likelihood is that, at any given performance of TVM, there are many more people who experienced statutory or actual rape while drunk and underage, and people tend to respond more strongly to events they personally have experienced. I personally hate "Coochie Snorter" because I feel like it's not intended to explore a problematic issue. I know many people do feel that Ensler's intent was to show that the speaker's perspective was skewed enough by trauma she had undergone so that she understood sexual exploitation by a friendly adult as a positive experience. To me, that interpretation doesn't fly. AlbieQuirky fucked around with this message at 01:57 on May 31, 2014 |
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Tyrannosaurus posted:Thank you for taking the higher ground by saying that I'm advocating rape which I'm clearly not. Im sorry for not taking the high road like you and using superior rational debate techniques such as "outright lies" Tyrannosaurus posted:There is no line about it being a "good rape." Period. or "it rely makes u think" Tyrannosaurus posted:Cootchie Snorcher is one of the most commonly used reasons to try and ban the Vagina Monologues, by the way. Kind of interesting. Lottery of Babylon fucked around with this message at 03:01 on May 31, 2014 |
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I am only not posting that gif of Abe Simpson walking in and out of the room because I don't feel like rehosting it.
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Tyrannosaurus posted:Thank you for taking the higher ground by saying that I'm advocating rape which I'm clearly not. You're basically using the argument of "Why is CodfishCartographer fucked around with this message at 03:32 on May 31, 2014 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:Shut up about Rape and start talking about stupid tropers. While I get what you're trying to say, you do realize that it's hard to do both at once, right?
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