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ComfyPants
Mar 20, 2002

Check out the Spy vs. Spy games too. Those were tons of fun. I remember having a lot of fun with Aliens and Rescue on Fractalus.

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EXTREME INSERTION
Jun 4, 2011

by LadyAmbien

50 Foot Ant posted:

What the hell is that from? Sure as poo poo isn't from a C-64. Nice second hit on GIS though.

LGoP looks like this:



And is pretty funny satire.

It's the leather goddesses of Phobos

Nostalgia4ColdWar
May 7, 2007

Good people deserve good things.

Till someone lets the winter in and the dying begins, because Old Dark Places attract Old Dark Things.

EXTREME INSERTION posted:

It's the leather goddesses of Phobos

Not any *real* LGoP.

We didn't have graphics like that back in the day.

We had text adventures, and by God, we loving liked it.

We didn't have those fancy rear end shaded graphics.

EXTREME INSERTION
Jun 4, 2011

by LadyAmbien

50 Foot Ant posted:

Not any *real* LGoP.

We didn't have graphics like that back in the day.

We had text adventures, and by God, we loving liked it.

We didn't have those fancy rear end shaded graphics.

That's like reading a book!!!

Nostalgia4ColdWar
May 7, 2007

Good people deserve good things.

Till someone lets the winter in and the dying begins, because Old Dark Places attract Old Dark Things.
Text adventures could lead you to murder or suicide.

You both loved and hated anything by Infocom and bought it as soon as it came out.

Holy poo poo, Suspended.

Anyone who ever says they have finished Suspended on the highest difficulty level successfully is a goddamn liar.

Tanetal
Oct 14, 2013
Legacy of the Ancients and Legend of Blacksilver are all you'll need.

Barco Fiesta
May 26, 2009




a fantasy of olives

tango alpha delta posted:

How the gently caress is this running on a stock C64? Looks like they are hitting $d011 and $d012 really, really hard. Very impressive.

$d011 and $d012 are the registers that contain the location of the raster beam as it draws the picture on the screen. Machine language is fast enough to race the beam and generate a raster interrupt. You can then send new instructions to the display (the VIC-II chip), like extra sprites or colors and then return control to the hardware. The timing can be a little tricky but this demo is amazingly smooth.


And the SID chip? loving amazing sound chip. If you can program the C64 sound chip, you can program any modern synthesizer.

raster is what they used in TRON innit?

tango alpha delta
Sep 9, 2011

Ask me about my wealthy lifestyle and passive income! I love bragging about my wealth to my lessers! My opinions are more valid because I have more money than you! Stealing the fruits of the labor of the working class is okay, so long as you don't do it using crypto. More money = better than!

Glass Bottom Boat posted:

raster is what they used in the TRON movies innit?

What you are looking at right now on your computer screen is a raster image. The VIC chip in the C64 could track the beam's precise location on the screen, which is why those cool demos are even possible.

Anyway, did you get my machine language code to work?

This is what you will see on the C64 emulator if it works:

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

gggggggggggggggggggg
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

tango alpha delta fucked around with this message at 05:54 on May 29, 2014

Piglet
Jan 22, 2002

Zub! Zub!
Sentinel Worlds: Future Magic

Basically Mass Effect for the C64

edit:

The Sentinel is a cool strategy game

Piglet fucked around with this message at 06:19 on May 29, 2014

raditts
Feb 21, 2001

The Kwanzaa Bot is here to protect me.


Why is everyone's first answer to "what to play" not GHOSTBUSTERS RAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA

DSauer posted:

I learned how to program in C on a Commodore 128 so long ago. The Commodore 128 was fully compatible with the Commodore 64. They didn't accomplish this through any sort of emulation or backwards compatible hardware, they just stuck a full C64 mainboard in the C128 case and gave you a switch you could flip on the side. You pretty much never used 128 mode since by the time it came out better computers were available that cost less and the C64 already had a massive library of good software.

But didn't you need 128 mode to get the music to play in Ultima V?

raditts fucked around with this message at 06:34 on May 29, 2014

Maldoror
Oct 5, 2003

by R. Guyovich
Nap Ghost

Boogaleeboo posted:

Play the Impossible Mission games. DOOOO IT!

do this

Slow-Scan Shep
Jul 11, 2001

DSauer posted:

You pretty much never used 128 mode since by the time it came out better computers were available that cost less and the C64 already had a massive library of good software.

The lack of C128 exclusives is still odd because there's a fuckton of them out there - something like 5 million were produced. Nothing compared to the C64's 12+ million, but far more than a lot of other platforms that got tons of memorable games. Build quality was better than the breadbox C64 too despite it being three times more complex.

Barco Fiesta
May 26, 2009




a fantasy of olives

tango alpha delta posted:

What you are looking at right now on your computer screen is a raster image. The VIC chip in the C64 could track the beam's precise location on the screen, which is why those cool demos are even possible.

Anyway, did you get my machine language code to work?

This is what you will see on the C64 emulator if it works:

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

gggggggggggggggggggg
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

i gave up and :350:

ima try again later

Cannonballoon
Jul 25, 2007

play zorro

if the music doesn't make you want to eat a bullet after the first 2 minutes then you're a stronger man than I

Barco Fiesta
May 26, 2009




a fantasy of olives
i know i should be playing all these games everyone is naming but i cant right now because i am making it count to a million :3:

Jombo
Feb 20, 2009
A friend of mine found his dad's c64 'porn' game on an unlabeled disk. It asked for your age first - to which we would punch in 999999 - before showing a woman made of coloured ASCII. It had a few commands that you could type in which the ASCII woman would faithfully follow, the only ones I remember were 'pee' and 'poop' which confused the hell out of the little 6 year old me.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about? I've googled with no luck. The program must have been distributed a bit since it had American spelling and you had to be 21 to get in - while I'm in Australia (18 years old for everything)

Dr. Witherbone
Nov 1, 2010

CHEESE LOOKS ON IN
DESPAIR BUT ALSO WITH
AN ERECTION
Train Robbers

Below The Root

Train Robbers if only for the main theme, but loving Below The Root, man. I would just wander that giant tree and get confused. It was weird though, the game has an atmosphere to it. Strangely sad. Mostly frustrating though, or maybe I was just a dumb kid (probably both.)

Breetai
Nov 6, 2005

🥄Mah spoon is too big!🍌
Beach Head II is a fantastic game that's comprised essentially of 4-5 minigames where you boat your people across to an island ruled by a despot, land them under machine gun fire, attack targets, and make your escape, and it's distinguished by the fact that Player 2 can take over completely from the computer making it a very early head-to-head minigame fest.

Raid over Moscow is an excellent shmuppy-type deal where you get to mortar-bomb the Kremlin.

X-out is my favourite shmup on the C64 and is well worth a look-in.

quakster
Jul 21, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
girls.c64.org

Budohead
Feb 13, 2011

Head Case
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHzW7T-bwBc

SuperMarrio
Mar 26, 2005

Those who live by capitalism must be prepared to die by it.



Donald Ducks Playground is weird as gently caress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLQvTApN-60

Also, Mail Order Monsters has the greatest character select screen ever


Also also, Ashens recently did a review of a lovely old c64 game I used to own & play back in the day called Intergalactic Cage Match
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFB45vSny04

Lastly, and possibly best- You MUST play Lazy Jones, if for the music alone. This game to me, is quintessentially C64.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7DyoDJCqac

C64 kicks rear end. enjoy

Cannonballoon
Jul 25, 2007

Dr. Witherbone posted:

Below The Root

this my jam right here

Police Automaton
Mar 17, 2009
"You are standing in a thread. Someone has made an insightful post."
LOOK AT insightful post
"It's a pretty good post."
HATE post
"I don't understand"
SHIT ON post
"You shit on the post. Why."
play paradroid until you can't feel feelings anymore

also choplifter, the scrolling was so visually impressive when i first saw it holy poo poo

quakster
Jul 21, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
scoot is loving terrible and almost ruins lazy jones

Radical and BADical!
Jun 27, 2010

by Lowtax
Fun Shoe

tango alpha delta posted:

It's 6502 machine language. $0400 is screen memory. The PETSCII codes are being loaded into the accumulator and then stored in screen memory. What do you think it does?

Oh and there's a conditional loop that breaks after executing the code 20 times. Then it returns to the C64 BASIC interpreter.

This is really, really old school, so I'm not surprised you're unfamiliar with it.

the only programming i was ever good at was sql, and being a goon i tend to ignore things i'm terrible at. programming the c64 was more the realm of my best friend, he proly coulda said "it prints i'm gay a bunch of times, stupid".

edit: paradroid and choplifter are both good ones. also play archon and the c64 version of shadow of the beast, it's the only one that plays at a speed a human can react to

Radical and BADical! fucked around with this message at 12:07 on May 29, 2014

Police Automaton
Mar 17, 2009
"You are standing in a thread. Someone has made an insightful post."
LOOK AT insightful post
"It's a pretty good post."
HATE post
"I don't understand"
SHIT ON post
"You shit on the post. Why."
The CPU wasn't what made all those home computers so remarkable, it was the custom chips. Today you do not need to know much about computers to be a programmer, and it painfully shows in a lot of software.

If you can, play the Amiga version of many of these C64 titles. (if existant) It's usually the best looking and best sounding, depending on the year even compared to the PC versions. The Amigas were remarkable machines and way ahead of their time in the beginning, too bad commodore squandered it all with terrible business decisions. The Amiga could have been their ticket to become what Apple is today.

Police Automaton fucked around with this message at 12:53 on May 29, 2014

Clipperton
Dec 20, 2011
Grimey Drawer
international karate motherfuckers

i used to take my time beating up the low-level guys, to give the music time to get to the awesome second part

Raged
Jul 21, 2003

A revolution of beats
You know who I feel sorry for? People whose parents cheaped out or if you did not have enough paper route money and got stuck with a VIC 20.

thunderspanks
Nov 5, 2003

crucify this


Asylum! just don't look up.

wuLFe
Oct 21, 2010
The disturbing lack of love for the key collectathon genres that seemed to die after the C64s heyday is saddening.

OP needs to try
Manic Miner
Blagger
Mr Robot

Don't know how many hours of my young life were spent trying to beat some of the later Manic Miner stages, but I still have nightmares about it.

Also, vague remembrances of blowing up my friends C64 back in the day by plugging the power cable in incorrectly :doh:

Good times.....

Crazy Ted
Jul 29, 2003

wuLFe posted:

Also, vague remembrances of blowing up my friends C64 back in the day by plugging the power cable in incorrectly :doh:
Don't forget that if you had the computer running for all of...three hours or so...the power pack would become about as hot as a loving oven.

Not Nipsy Russell
Oct 6, 2004

Failure is always an option.

Raged posted:

You know who I feel sorry for? People whose parents cheaped out or if you did not have enough paper route money and got stuck with a VIC 20.

We were dirt poor when I was a kid. When I see now that the VIC 20 my mom gave me for Christmas 1982 was $300, I appreciate it even more. I remember not having enough to buy any games, so we went to the library and checked out a giant book of BASIC games. That kept me busy for a while, until I did enough work to save up and buy some carts for it.

I remember one text-adventure game I got (it was some generic thing) that still cracks me up. I was somewhere underground with a mirror, a lantern, and a bunch of other crap in my inventory. I was on a cliff and I had to get past a sleeping bear. This game had the typical two word parser: verb, noun. Everything I tried resulted in "THE BEAR EATS YOU", or "THE BEAR IGNORES YOU", or even worse "YOU CAN'T DO THAT HERE" and "I DON'T UNDERSTAND X". I remember coming home from school daily for a month trying to figure out how to get that goddamned bear to move. Finally, in a moment of Zen I typed:

>SCREW BEAR

"THE BEAR IS SO STARTLED, HE FALLS OFF THE LEDGE".

I had a lot of fun showing that one to my friends.

Cannonballoon
Jul 25, 2007

we had a vic20 first and then got a 128, I still have them both but nowadays the 1571 drive on my 128 refuses to do anything except make that eh-eh-eh-eh-eh DUHNUH noise and flash its lights over and over

Dr. Witherbone
Nov 1, 2010

CHEESE LOOKS ON IN
DESPAIR BUT ALSO WITH
AN ERECTION

AE-35 Unit posted:

we had a vic20 first and then got a 128, I still have them both but nowadays the 1571 drive on my 128 refuses to do anything except make that eh-eh-eh-eh-eh DUHNUH noise and flash its lights over and over

Psh that's what you get for not using the superior equally lovely 1541 drive

those loading sounds though :allears:

Dr. Witherbone
Nov 1, 2010

CHEESE LOOKS ON IN
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AN ERECTION
no joke the 1541 had it's own dedicated fuse

disk drives were loving intense back then

tango alpha delta
Sep 9, 2011

Ask me about my wealthy lifestyle and passive income! I love bragging about my wealth to my lessers! My opinions are more valid because I have more money than you! Stealing the fruits of the labor of the working class is okay, so long as you don't do it using crypto. More money = better than!

Police Automaton posted:

The CPU wasn't what made all those home computers so remarkable, it was the custom chips. Today you do not need to know much about computers to be a programmer, and it painfully shows in a lot of software.

If you can, play the Amiga version of many of these C64 titles. (if existant) It's usually the best looking and best sounding, depending on the year even compared to the PC versions. The Amigas were remarkable machines and way ahead of their time in the beginning, too bad commodore squandered it all with terrible business decisions. The Amiga could have been their ticket to become what Apple is today.

Oh yes, the C64 had the SID and the VIC-II, which did the heavy lifting for sound fx/music and graphics respectively. The CPU in the C64 ran at 1.02 Mhz, which works out to roughly a hundred thousand instructions per second. All math was done in software.

I loved my Amiga 2000. Agnes, Denise and Paula were the stars of the show. They can read and write to (Chip)RAM without any CPU intervention by using something called a copper list. The reason this worked is because of the master clock; on even cycles the CPU would have full access to the system, but on odd cycles the custom chipset would have access.

I guess the closest thing to an Amiga might be the Playstation line.

tango alpha delta fucked around with this message at 16:42 on May 29, 2014

CaptainWinky
Jun 13, 2001

Dr. Witherbone posted:

Psh that's what you get for not using the superior equally lovely 1541 drive

those loading sounds though :allears:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnMgmlKi_o

tango alpha delta
Sep 9, 2011

Ask me about my wealthy lifestyle and passive income! I love bragging about my wealth to my lessers! My opinions are more valid because I have more money than you! Stealing the fruits of the labor of the working class is okay, so long as you don't do it using crypto. More money = better than!

Dr. Witherbone posted:

no joke the 1541 had it's own dedicated fuse

disk drives were loving intense back then

It also had it's own 6502 CPU and 4 kilobytes of RAM. You replace the firmware with your own custom fast load code in one of the drive's 2 Kilobyte RAM banks.

Internally the drive could pull data off the disk very quickly, but for some bizarre reason the code to transfer over the RS-232 to the C64 was pure poo poo, so I loving rewrote it. gently caress Commodore.

The RS-232 cable that Commodore used to connect the 1541 to the C64 wasn't a true RS-232, but some kind of bastardized version. When I started really looking into the 1541's firmware, I noticed some really lazy coding. In short, here's how the 1541 loads software into the C64:

Fetches a sector off the disk and stores it in a 2 KB buffer in the 1541. This part is really, really fast.

Then it transmits the contents of the 2 KB buffer serially using a slow rear end hosed up protocol. The overhead was horrible and the error checking was overkill. It's just testing bits, Commodore. Do you really need to do all this extra poo poo?

The 1541 sends the bits and the C64 reconstructs the bits into something it can use. That's it.

I realized that the protocol really, really sucked and wrote my own. Looking back, a prefetch may have speeded things up as well.

MOS 6502 Machine Language loving rocks.

tango alpha delta fucked around with this message at 19:58 on May 29, 2014

Cannonballoon
Jul 25, 2007

I had one of those epyx fastload carts

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Ysa
Feb 3, 2002

secret service get all the pussy
Anyone remember a text game that involved a huge mansion that you had to work your way around and solve puzzles? The things that stick in my memory are it had some sort of shrub maze outside and on the main staircase there was a "live" suit of armor. This game taught me the meaning of the word foyer even though it was probably a decade later before I knew how to pronounce it correctly.

edit: I almost beat Hitchhiker's Guide once but never made it past the first few lines in Leather Goddesses of Phobos.

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