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Sigh. B. No point in trying to argue with this guy. Barkof must really be giving them grief.
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Avram can likely travel faster with his guards and enough of our men to carry supplies than us with our old and infirm pilgrims. Is it feasible to have Avram go and get supplies while we continue ahead, and have him catch up? Whether we should trust leaving him alone with our money is a different matter.
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May 29, 2014 20:08
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Avram would be an idiot to cheat us now, when there is a fortune in offerings waiting to be offloaded at Baitel. Why risk our ire so early in the game?
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May 29, 2014 20:09
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Changing vote to Plan K
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The king said we weren't allowed to enter the city. He did NOT say we couldn't camp outside of his city. We do that. And we speak with both the King and representatives of the temple if they are willing. We pick up any willing pilgrims. And we turn his opinion of us around. (preferably with the help of the temple) edit: Even if it is just for one night, camp there, show him he isn't our boss. And show him that we can be more civilized then he. While camping outside of the city, Avram can enter and buy us supplies. In fact. We can easily guilt the king into looking bad. We stay out of the city, Barkofs nephew stays out of the city. A few/lots of balls enter and spread some money around, spread stories of our goodness and piety. We make him look bad. In fact. This plan is K. Affi fucked around with this message at 20:15 on May 29, 2014 |
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May 29, 2014 20:11
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dyzzy posted:Avram would be an idiot to cheat us now, when there is a fortune in offerings waiting to be offloaded at Baitel. Why risk our ire so early in the game? I agree, but I meant only I was questioning whether that was a workable solution, rather than a wise one.
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May 29, 2014 20:11
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B Screw this town. Let's pay for the supplies we need and move on with a minimum of engagement.
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May 29, 2014 20:13
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It does sound pretty reasonable. Have him go trade and exit the city on the other side, while we take everyone else around Dor.
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May 29, 2014 20:14
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I get people wanting to blow this city off. But let's do that in style. Vote for Plan K..
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May 29, 2014 20:16
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Plan K. It's the smartest, the most politically appropriate, and the best for boosting our reputation.
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May 29, 2014 20:22
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Affis plan K Jobe, how tall is the King? I want to see everyone's reaction (especially his) when they see us, in our 9ft, black as gently caress glory
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May 29, 2014 20:27
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Plan K
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May 29, 2014 20:29
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G - Send Avram into Dor with Paebal and a few other trustworthy balls to get supplies, but also to identify weaknesses in the Dor defenses, so that we can sneak in us and our mighty balls. Have Paebal stay behind in the city. Have the main body of our group retreat beyond the farms of Dor, and appearing to have left, have some of our balls release the Minotaur into the farms one night while us and our mighty balls sneak into the city. At the same time, have Paebal start fires on across the city, but away from the King of Dor's palace/home. With all the distractions and the mighty men of Dor mobilized to deal with them, we sneak into the king's home and loot his treasure vault.
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May 29, 2014 20:31
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Plan Kill the king
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May 29, 2014 20:33
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Affi posted:
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May 29, 2014 20:42
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K. Plan Affi. We can at least talk to people.
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May 29, 2014 20:43
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E Also, sacrifice a dozen or so farmers to Asherah.
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May 29, 2014 20:43
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Alright, Plan K / Plan Affi
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May 29, 2014 20:46
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Plan sounds pretty keen.
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May 29, 2014 20:51
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Plan K, Affi
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May 29, 2014 20:52
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While I'm not sure this poo poo is going to play out the way we think it will, I've pretty much dedicated myself to supporting player plans so long as they aren't stupid or suicidal, and this one is neither.
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May 29, 2014 21:03
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B Let's just get our supplies and move on.
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May 29, 2014 21:07
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Vavrek posted:
voting this. Next town we come up to though, we need to bust out the showmanship: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEryAoLfnAA
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May 29, 2014 21:11
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Vavrek posted:
One day I will have an original vote. This is not that day. +1 Plan Affi
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May 29, 2014 21:15
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jng2058 posted:While I'm not sure this poo poo is going to play out the way we think it will, I've pretty much dedicated myself to supporting player plans so long as they aren't stupid or suicidal, and this one is neither. Actually, it's kinda both. This is a king with his own supernatural power and associated brood of leg breakers. He's got lands, and likely social power and responsibility, that far outweigh what Tudiya deals with. And he's been made to look weak in front of his people for a while now by Barkof. So an uppity non-person, fit only for the tip of his spear, from the town that's caused his recent problems, and as a bonus a close relative of said problem, are now going to try and show him he's not their boss. On his land. In front of all his people. I changed my mind, I love this plan. Changing vote from burn and pillage to K.
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jng2058 posted:While I'm not sure this poo poo is going to play out the way we think it will, I've pretty much dedicated myself to supporting player plans so long as they aren't stupid or suicidal, and this one is neither. Last time people voted my way we almost ate Asahel but i'm sure this is a better plan. Realtalk: Worst thing that happens is the king refuses to talk to us and forbids people to go on a pilgrimage with us. This is technically meddling in the affairs of kings. Seeing as it will make him look bad. But that rule probably doesn't apply to douchebags. Best case scenario: We talk to the king and he decides we're pretty cool after all and my what a cool minotaur you've captured. +Rep and we get saddled with more pilgrims Bularin posted:Actually, it's kinda both. This is a king with his own supernatural power and associated brood of leg breakers. He's got lands, and likely social power and responsibility, that far outweigh what Tudiya deals with. And he's been made to look weak in front of his people for a while now by Barkof. So an uppity non-person, fit only for the tip of his spear, from the town that's caused his recent problems, and as a bonus a close relative of said problem, are now going to try and show him he's not their boss. On his land. In front of all his people. He can't do poo poo to us. As per Dio, our caravan is protected by El and nobody would dare mess with it. He can do poo poo like refuse us access to his city (he has) and raise tariffs (if he's the kind of king who believes in taxes)
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K. Which is B, with a minor adjustment. We take a costly jug of wine from our pack and wrap it up in some nice linens to make a pretty present as a gift for the king. Of course, no gift is complete without a matching thank-you Written on the tablet posted:O King, Dorian demon and damned Asherah's kith and kin, secretary to Ogar himself. What the Fare kind of king are you, that you can't slay a hedgehog with your naked arse? Fare excretes, and your band of Mighty Men eats. You will not, you son of a bitch, make mockery of Zepa's sons; we've no patience for your insults, we will spread the tales of your cowardice, gently caress your city.
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May 29, 2014 21:30
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^^^^^ My plan is more diplomatic though.
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Affi posted:^^^^^ Screw diplomacy, when has that ever solved anything? 
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I like Plan Affi, but frankly, I'm afraid that whoever we send in is going to get price gouged to hell and back, and too few of our Balls are coolheaded enough to avoid getting provoked into a fight, either through said price gouging, or through a few well-placed barbs at us. That being said, I don't want us to just slink off like punks either after the lovely reception King Dor(k) gave us. Fuckit, Affi +1 BUT, stress to the Balls and whoever else we send inside that everything they say and do reflects not only on us, but Zepath and Tudiya as well, so watch your tongues and do not let them provoke you into conflict. Prove that Zepath is the most civilized. Also, have Gareb escort Avram, just in case there is trouble.
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Zybourne Clock posted:K. Which is B, with a minor adjustment. We take a costly jug of wine from our pack and wrap it up in some nice linens to make a pretty present as a gift for the king. Of course, no gift is complete without a matching thank-you
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the_steve posted:Fuckit, Affi +1 Yes. Definitely. I mean the whole point is to spread the word that we Enkidel is a cool dude and that the king is wronging us. The goal isn't to humiliate their King but to make him realize that we are good people. If he doesn't realize that, then yes we will hopefully leave him with a metaphorical black eye. We could trust almost any mighty ball with this. And probably Paebel and some of his dudes. They are hardcore on our side.
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Affi posted:He can't do poo poo to us. As per Dio, our caravan is protected by El and nobody would dare mess with it. He can do poo poo like refuse us access to his city (he has) and raise tariffs (if he's the kind of king who believes in taxes) You're mixing up "can't" with "won't." And because Diog tends to play with kids gloves, you're right, he probably won't. However, trying to socially bully kings, especially kings whose people have reason to doubt him, definitely falls under stupid. Doing it after he's declared you a non-person is suicidal. Non-people don't usually get special protection from carrying the right piece of cloth. None the less, kids gloves, so I'm sure it will be fine. At the very least, I can hope he remembers the insult when we come back. Without a piece of cloth to protect us.
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Affi posted:Yes. Definitely. I mean the whole point is to spread the word that we Enkidel is a cool dude and that the king is wronging us. The goal isn't to humiliate their King but to make him realize that we are good people. If he doesn't realize that, then yes we will hopefully leave him with a metaphorical black eye. And that's before they start talking about how we killed a demon.
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Dio posted:The banner you are traveling under tells others not to do injury to you, but it does not mean they have to be nice to you. You could still be denied entry to a city or charged a ridiculous toll. It is less protection than priestly status brings. I can live with them not being nice to us. Besides the point is to show the King that we are cool, if he refuses to see reason he will hopefully look bad. Don't overthink it.
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May 29, 2014 21:54
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Maybe Jobe should have starting saying Wololo instead.
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Aye, I'll back Affi's K. Completely skipping the chance to make an impression here seems wasteful, we can probably expect this sort of thing a lot (although Dor, because of Barkoff, probably has more reason to dislike us than others), we don't want to set a precedent of just running every time. We want to show people that we aren't a dirty cannibal, and are in fact way cooler and more blooded and taller than they are, so let's get doing that. Also voting to talk to the Minotaur nightly, for largely the same reasons. C'mon, let's not pass up this extremely rare chance to try and learn more about the 'monsters', there could be an entire world, culture, potential diplomatic relations, that we're missing out on here. We don't want to just fall into the trap of other men, assuming monsters (like cannibal barbarians) are to be written off, nothing but foul, mindless demon-spawn. We know they have cultures and communities, there's so much hidden information here, it's tragic to willfully ignore it. Trying to communicate with this particular Minotaur might not work out, but we have to start somewhere; if anyone thinks it's odd, we can say we're taking the opportunity to learn whatever we can about our enemy. It's the responsible thing to do, and nobody (in our group) is going to question the wisdom and devotion of their great Enkindel.
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Probably a good idea to have Jobe and a few balls appear in cities a day or two before us and spread the word that we're coming.
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Affi posted:Probably a good idea to have Jobe and a few balls appear in cities a day or two before us and spread the word that we're coming.
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Theglavwen posted:Also voting to talk to the Minotaur nightly, for largely the same reasons. I can kinda sorta agree to trying to talk to a monster. Later. When we aren't surrounded by hundreds of pilgrims and when it won't make us look like complete loons.
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