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I've been trying out some power stance combos, but there isn't a ton of good information on some fun combos for PvE/PvP other than dual Avelyns. I am sorry if this has been brought up before but this thread moves pretty quick. Any ideas? I am sort of all over the place with stats other than abusing the bandit's tremendously low casting stats.
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TipsyMcStagger posted:oh get off your high and mighty horse, you aren't going to prove anything to anyone here. You didn't understand the plot at all on your first play through. You probably still don't and going to watch 10 youtube lore video's to craft theories on it just to try and prove me wrong. Basically your entire issue with Vendrick comes from the fact that you didn't talk to Nashandra in the castle. She tells you where he is and what you should do next but goes out of her way to avoid telling you why, which is an early hint that she is not one of the good guys (there are no good guys in Dark Souls). It's easy to miss that you can even talk to her though since you have to go right up to the edge of the platform before the prompt appears. I do agree with you though that the plot is a little scatterbrained especially near the end.
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May 30, 2014 04:25
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Man, people who bitch about Shrine of Amana are gonna love it on NG+. Four arch drakes that all aggro simultaneously and will never, ever leash back to starting positions 
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May 30, 2014 04:28
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TipsyMcStagger posted:
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May 30, 2014 04:30
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TipsyMcStagger posted:(didn't know it was vendrik till i started killing him) You didn't know that the big guy with the crown and the King's Ring was the king until after you tried attacking him. When you went down there to find him in the first place. After fighting a dude called Royal Aegis. Oh, and quote:(there are no good people in Dark Souls) Except for drat near every person you meet. Patches, Pate, Creighton, Lautrec, Petrus. That's it, a list of every single bad dude in the Dark Souls series. Flytrap fucked around with this message at 04:38 on May 30, 2014 |
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May 30, 2014 04:30
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Flytrap posted:You didn't know that the big guy with the crown and the King's Ring was the king until after you tried attacking him. Before you even get to him, you fight vengarl after a boss so it's entirely plausible that the giant walking around in the next room is going to be hostile. the first thing I did was start attacking from behind and hug the left leg. Didn't pick up the kings ring until my second time in there after he killed me. Since your souls get transported outside of his room, it was a big hint that it was "Not the time" kind of fight.
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May 30, 2014 04:36
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Coolwhoami posted:I've been trying out some power stance combos, but there isn't a ton of good information on some fun combos for PvE/PvP other than dual Avelyns. I am sorry if this has been brought up before but this thread moves pretty quick. Any ideas? I am sort of all over the place with stats other than abusing the bandit's tremendously low casting stats. Power stance a greataxe(lion, bandit or gyrm greataxe) and a great hammer class weapon(or ultra greatsword really) together and swing them like they are two long swords.
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May 30, 2014 04:36
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Flytrap posted:Except for drat near every person you meet. You could make a case for Kaathe and Ancient Dragon (assuming he is fact Aldia).
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May 30, 2014 04:40
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Flytrap posted:Patches, Pate, Creighton, Lautrec, Petrus. That's it, a list of every single bad dude in the Dark Souls series. The hundreds of hollows, demons, and other human/giant bosses don't count though. 
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May 30, 2014 04:40
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CJacobs posted:The hundreds of hollows, demons, and bosses don't count though. They're all insane zombies and don't count as people anymore, and the demons never were people to begin with.
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May 30, 2014 04:41
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Flytrap posted:Patches, Pate, Creighton, Lautrec, Petrus. That's it, a list of every single bad dude in the Dark Souls series. What about Licia? Though I suppose we don't know the specifics about her. Hm.
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May 30, 2014 04:42
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Kaldaris posted:What about Licia? She tries to kill you a few times. There's Navlaan, too now that I think about it.
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May 30, 2014 04:43
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Flytrap posted:Patches, Pate, Creighton, Lautrec, Petrus. That's it, a list of every single bad dude in the Dark Souls series. 
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May 30, 2014 04:44
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Flytrap posted:They're all insane zombies and don't count as people anymore, and the demons never were people to begin with. I will concede that there are good dudes but they are definitely a vast minority. Also Pate isn't a bad guy. Pate did nothing wrong.
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May 30, 2014 04:44
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CJacobs posted:I will concede that there are good dudes but they are definitely a vast minority. Neither did Patches. His hand just slipped.
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May 30, 2014 04:45
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Pate doesn't try to trick you or trap you a single time. He even warns you that the gate will lock behind you in the forest and gives you his equipment for helping out with Creighton, who was trapped in that cage because he is a serial killer and not because Pate put him there. 
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May 30, 2014 04:46
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Manatee Cannon posted:She tries to kill you a few times. There's Navlaan, too now that I think about it. Navlaan kind of cancels himself out really.
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May 30, 2014 04:47
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TipsyMcStagger posted:Before you even get to him, you fight vengarl after a boss so it's entirely plausible that the giant walking around in the next room is going to be hostile. the first thing I did was start attacking from behind and hug the left leg. Didn't pick up the kings ring until my second time in there after he killed me. Since your souls get transported outside of his room, it was a big hint that it was "Not the time" kind of fight. You have to hit him several times for him to aggro, and if you only have the one giant soul (which is all that's possible to get at that point unless you spend bonfire ascetics) it takes quite a bit of wailing on him. You'd think that after several seconds of hitting him with no damage numbers popping up and him not attacking you you'd get the hint.
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May 30, 2014 04:47
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CJacobs posted:I will concede that there are good dudes but they are definitely a vast minority. The story goes out of its way to make sure that neither Pate nor Creighton are implicitly implicated. Admittedly the Murderer with a name of Creigh-something only comes out once Creighton is freed, but both use the same trapped chest, so they're likely still accomplices to whatever bad thing one of them did.
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May 30, 2014 04:48
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I just fought a guy who used resonant weapon on santier's spear. But he didn't break the skull off first. 
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May 30, 2014 04:50
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Thumbtacks posted:I just fought a guy who used resonant weapon on santier's spear.
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May 30, 2014 04:51
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neetengie posted:Did you kindly tell him to do so? I did, actually. He sent me a message "oh my loving god I'm a dumbass. Thank you." So there's that. I did still kick his poo poo in though.
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May 30, 2014 04:52
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You know a lot of lore questions could be clearly answered if we could just find whoever keeps writing up and taping these item synopsis.
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May 30, 2014 04:53
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TipsyMcStagger posted:oh get off your high and mighty horse, you aren't going to prove anything to anyone here. You didn't understand the plot at all on your first play through. You probably still don't and going to watch 10 youtube lore video's to craft theories on it just to try and prove me wrong. Actually no, I understood the basic idea of the plot just fine on my own. There are some more specific things I didn't piece together on my own (I completely didn't pick up on the Rotten being Pharos) but the main story and theme of the game was obvious. I don't need a youtube video to tell me that, you just have to put a little thought into it and pay attention. The game isn't going to spell out the plot to you in lengthy cut scenes or drawn out dialogue. That has never been the way the story has been told in the series. Just because you are terrible at figuring out the plot based on the little bits of dialogue combined with the HUGE amounts of lore and back story told through other means doesn't mean it isn't there. EDIT: Don't say you actually paid attention either if you couldn't figure out who loving VENDRICK was. Daerc posted:The story goes out of its way to make sure that neither Pate nor Creighton are implicitly implicated. Admittedly the Murderer with a name of Creigh-something only comes out once Creighton is freed, but both use the same trapped chest, so they're likely still accomplices to whatever bad thing one of them did. Creighton seems a lot more shady though what with him being so pumped up about murder. And Pate had such a calm, soothing voice. How could such a mild-mannered man be evil? 
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May 30, 2014 04:56
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Does anyone think the item Vendrick stole from the giants was actually the Petrified Dragon Egg, and not the Lordvessel? It certainly seems more relevant than the Lordvessel during the game's progession--the egg is on a big opulent pedestal in one of the final areas of the game, while the Lordvessel is a crumbled Easter Egg in the Majula mansion's basement. I'm also guessing the egg is the source of Aldia's experiments in creating both the Ancient Dragon and the Emerald Herald. Looking at the item description: A large petrified egg. Surely bears no life. Eggs are vessels that harbor life itself, and symbolize the deepest secrets of existence. But what does a petrified egg harbor? If a regular egg holds the secret to life, then a petrified egg probably holds the secret to unlife, the secret Vendrick wanted to unlock so he could remove the undead curse. He heard about the egg, went across the sea and stole it from the giants, then the giants came back and waged war (if I'm remembering the sequence of events correctly). In the Dragonrider Duo boss room, there's an empty display that looks like it's the right size for the egg. Vendrick might have kept it in his castle until Aldia took it to start his experiments, I'm not sure if this transer happened before or after Vendrick went hollow.
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May 30, 2014 04:57
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TipsyMcStagger posted:Maybe it'll take another couple play through to let the rest of the dialogue sink in but for over 80% of the game you have no idea what you're actually going towards and who the antagonist is. I swear the quote from the intro "You will stand before its decrepit gates, without really knowing why" should just be the thread title. Dark Souls 2 is very blatantly all consuming desire - to the point it even erases one's memories. It's why everyone else is utterly obsessed with some poo poo, but has long forgotten how they even got there. Except Vengarl, who wants for nothing and also remembers his history very well. And maybe Straid? I didn't talk to him too much. It's why Lucatiel is so quick to tell you her story, and why Chloanne doesn't know the Blacksmith is her father but knows the poo poo out of stones. edit: There is unexplained poo poo, like what the hell the Darklurker is or why we're only now meeting the Fenito, or how dark and death got intertwined when they weren't in Dark Souls 1, but the core theme of forgetfulness and desire are pretty consistently expressed through like every NPC ever. TGLT fucked around with this message at 05:01 on May 30, 2014 |
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May 30, 2014 04:59
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FutonForensic posted:Does anyone think the item Vendrick stole from the giants was actually the [spoiler]Petrified Dragon Egg, and not the Lordvessel? It certainly seems more relevant than the Lordvessel during the game's progession--the egg is on a big opulent pedestal in one of the final areas of the game, while the Lordvessel is a crumbled Easter Egg in the Majula mansion's basement. It's implied whatever Vendrick stole is what allowed him to create the Golems (since he made them right after pillaging their homeland).
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May 30, 2014 04:59
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Genocyber posted:It's implied whatever Vendrick stole is what allowed him to create the Golems (since he made them right after pillaging their homeland). Well, I wouldn't be surprised if the Golems were Vendrick's and Aldia's early attempts at creating immortal beings, then with better understanding came more complicated creatures like the Dragon and Shanalotte. I think that just lends more support to the Egg being the object.
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May 30, 2014 05:01
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I think I've pieced something together about Navlaan's identity. We don't know much about this "Royal Sorcerer", but we do know something about Navlaan. Namely, that he's dead. Perma-dead even, not like our dead. Been dead for a while now. So dead that nobody even remembers his name, since everybody who knew it was killed right along with him. Now the next thing to point out is that he is ridiculously find of Hexes. Now, where can you find a bunch of hexes? That's right, hanging out with the Abyss Divers. Coincidentally, where do you find a bunch of dead people? That's right, same place. So, my theory is that this Royal Sorcerer was just some dude who was experimenting with the Abyss when suddenly he got possessed by Navlaan. Was he Alida? Or just some guy on the royal payroll? Did Aldia even have an official position in Ven's kingdom?
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May 30, 2014 05:03
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^^^ Aldia was Vendrick's brother wasn't he? CJacobs posted:Basically your entire issue with Vendrick comes from the fact that you didn't talk to Nashandra in the castle. She tells you where he is and what you should do next but goes out of her way to avoid telling you why, which is an early hint that she is not one of the good guys (there are no good guys in Dark Souls). It's easy to miss that you can even talk to her though since you have to go right up to the edge of the platform before the prompt appears. As soon as you've reached Nashandra/Drangleic Castle nearly all of your direction and plot information comes from Nashandra and Shalquoir, the Emerald Herald just follows around after you saying "Cool, you did thing!" while the other two actually tell you where to go next and why.
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May 30, 2014 05:04
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Flytrap posted:I think I've pieced something together about Navlaan's identity. We don't know much about this "Royal Sorcerer", but we do know something about Navlaan. Navlaan's blue like Agdayne and the grave wardens. You're probably right that he delved way too far into the bad darkness and the abyss poo poo, but he's probably not undead since that's a human thing, and he's probably not Aldia since Vendrick isn't a Fenito either. edit: he's possibly also developed the anime crazies because he's been locked up in a tiny room for loving ever. Since he's in Aldia's manor, it's also possible that he wasn't hired help but rather a test subject. Fenito do have a connection to death and, presumably, undeath. TGLT fucked around with this message at 05:14 on May 30, 2014 |
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While I don't think Navlaan is Aldia, we don't actually know what Vendrick looked like before he became the giant undead thing you meet in the crypt.
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May 30, 2014 05:10
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Even if you didn't talk to Nashandra, you'd think you would pick up on the fact that you're going to see Vendrick. Given that you know, that's been foreshadowed as your goal since you first talked to the Emerald Herald. Then you go to this castle and get the key to a place called KING'S PASSAGE. And after you go through the KING'S PASSAGE, you can talk to Agdayne who will tell you that Vendrick is RIGHT AHEAD. Of course even if he didn't, you might guess that maybe if there are a ton of royal soldiers and a guy called the ROYAL AEGIS they might be guarding something. Oh but who is this giant standing next to a pile of the King's clothes and containing the King's Ring? Hmmmmm..... Nah. Game didn't tell me in a cutscene so I can't figure it out. God what a lovely plot. VVV Bellbroing is about as unfair as it gets. Internet Kraken fucked around with this message at 05:12 on May 30, 2014 |
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May 30, 2014 05:10
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What's the best way to get in lopsided battles where I can own shitheads in PVP? Blue cop ring? Sunbroing in specific areas? Bellbroing?
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May 30, 2014 05:11
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Manatee Cannon posted:While I don't think Navlaan is Aldia, we don't actually know what Vendrick looked like before he became the giant undead thing you meet in the crypt. Actually, the achievement icon has the answer!
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May 30, 2014 05:12
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Bob NewSCART posted:What's the best way to get in lopsided battles where I can own shitheads in PVP? Blue cop ring? Sunbroing in specific areas? Bellbroing? Define shithead. If you want easy to win, lopsided battles, just put a summon stone down at a popular PvP spot and someone will probably summon you to help gank invaders. It's not very fulfilling, but it's an option.
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To be honest, I entirely forgot why my character was even going through all of those places after a while. It wasn't until I started NG+ did I go "oooooh yeah, the herald actually mentions King Vendrick". Before that, I completely forgot his name. Given that I played most of it fully hollow, I think I'll blame it on that. Is there actually any in-game stuff that links the Rotten is Pharros, though? I missed that.
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Bob NewSCART posted:What's the best way to get in lopsided battles where I can own shitheads in PVP? Blue cop ring? Sunbroing in specific areas? Bellbroing?
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Bob NewSCART posted:What's the best way to get in lopsided battles where I can own shitheads in PVP? Blue cop ring? Sunbroing in specific areas? Bellbroing? I use people who use blue cop ring to farm my bloodbro rank so it might not be the best option for one sided gank fights. (Everyone should use the blue cop ring, PLEASE.)
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Alabaster White posted:Actually, the achievement icon has the answer! Oh wow, I never noticed that. That's neat.
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