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S-Alpha posted:Aaaand they've gone and dropped the Kenomaru trailer on us: So basically, he's Carl Clover with a dog.
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Excels posted:So basically, he's Carl Clover with a dog. I see exactly nothing wrong with this. New main spotted.
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May 29, 2014 15:02
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Excels posted:So basically, he's Carl Clover with a dog.
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May 29, 2014 15:10
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So I guess the point of him having 2 Persona cards is because he also has access to Koromaru and Cerberus, which are a separate gauge. So Kala-Nemi is probably some of his strongest attacks that can only be used sparingly.
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May 29, 2014 15:12
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I am trying to figure who is voicing Ken this time. Is it just his old VA adjusting her voice so he sounds more like a 13 year old?
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May 29, 2014 22:46
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Yes, that is still Megumi Ogata. I really hope the localization team doesn't try to reprise Mona Marshall, Ken could use a new VA for his new look.
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May 29, 2014 22:49
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S-Alpha posted:Aaaand they've gone and dropped the Kenomaru trailer on us: That reminds me are there translations of these videos anywhere? I really want to know what all the newly playable characters joke titles are. More on topic, Ken+Koromaru looks so good. Definitely adding them to my list of try hard characters alongside Junpei and Kanji.
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May 29, 2014 22:53
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:That reminds me are there translations of these videos anywhere? I really want to know what all the newly playable characters joke titles are. Loosely translated, the new titles: Yukari: The Tacky Pink Sniper Junpei: Surprising Slugger of Futile Swing Rise: The Fully Perverse Super Idol Ken: The Cheeky Prime Cynical Rookie Sho (Normal): The Criminal Pundit Sho (Persona): The Defaced Dark Messiah
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May 29, 2014 23:06
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Beef Waifu posted:Yes, that is still Megumi Ogata. I really hope the localization team doesn't try to reprise Mona Marshall, Ken could use a new VA for his new look.
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May 29, 2014 23:12
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Fashion Victim Sniper Master Slugger of the Useless Swing Super Perverted Idol Criminal Pundit Defaced Dark Messiah (SHO) And you've already seen Ken's, but his title can be translated to "Smart Assed Rookie".
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May 29, 2014 23:16
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Is Elizabeth still trash in this game?
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May 29, 2014 23:19
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darealkooky posted:Is Elizabeth still trash in this game? She actually got nerfed in P4AU and was super-bottom tier. She got a few buffs in 1.1, but from the sound of it she is still Not Good. Haven't seen a tier list for 1.1 yet though.
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May 29, 2014 23:30
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What the gently caress why would you nerf bottom tier characters oh well ken and rise look cool at least, and arcsys DLC is never bad
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May 29, 2014 23:35
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Typical ArcSys method of balancing. Buff some things at random, nerf some other things at random, all regardless of the current strength of the character overall. Labrys got nerfed in P4AU too, they took away her only legit reversal. They gave it back in 1.1 at least though :I
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May 29, 2014 23:47
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Kanji got nerfs too, it's all good though because Yu is getting all of the buffs so he goes from second best to definitively THE BEST.
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Beef Waifu posted:Kanji got nerfs too, it's all good though because Yu is getting all of the buffs so he goes from second best to definitively THE BEST. Eh, Kanji's nerfs don't seem that bad, though I will miss the ability to jump backwards then immediately launch into the drop down command grab while in the air.
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May 29, 2014 23:57
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how is mitsuru "satan" kirijo looking?
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Mitsuru looks like she's more in line with most of the cast - she's still pretty good and her Shadow version is ruthless, but overall she's not head and shoulders above most characters anymore. Naoto probably received the biggest boost relative to her P4A counterpart, with stronger traps and really good SP supers. The gun clip hurts her zoning a bit, but she got a better rushdown to compensate anyway.
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May 30, 2014 00:11
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ApplesandOranges posted:Mitsuru looks like she's more in line with most of the cast - she's still pretty good and her Shadow version is ruthless, but overall she's not head and shoulders above most characters anymore. What's the difference between Shadow Mitsuru and regular Mitsuru? Is it just having access to infinite meter?
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May 30, 2014 02:06
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Quoting my post on the differences of Shadow modes from the MegaTen thread.Beef Waifu posted:The Shadows are different versions of the playable characters, for the most part the shadows work differently on a mechanical level. Shadows have a burst mechanic where their gold and green bursts are replaced with a Berserk mode, you can activate this at any time during your combo so it works like the OMB cancel, but you need 100 SP to activate it. In Shadow Berserk mode characters have Unlimited SP for for a set time (Your SP decreases as if to act as a timer) and you can cancel specials into specials although using supers will cost time in Shadow Berserk Mode, it doesn't cost 50 SP like one normally would. It's really just that with how meter works in Shadow mode she has more options and tons more shenanigans like other characters.
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May 30, 2014 02:11
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does using shadow burst only cost 100 meter, or is it that using it for combos costs burst + 100 meter?
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I worded that weirdly in the post. Basically Shadow berserk replaces your burst mechanic and you can only activate it when you have 100 SP, but you can activate it when you want to and use it similar to a OMB Cancel in the middle of your combos.
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May 30, 2014 02:37
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Also to make poo poo as confusing as possible, there's a Shadow version of regular Labrys which is not the same as Shadow Labrys.
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May 30, 2014 03:16
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How is this game doing in Japan? I'm just wondering because I don't see any reason to play this game while Xrd exists and the latest version of Blazblu doesn't seem to have died down in popularity.
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May 30, 2014 03:24
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What reason is there to use a non-shadow version of a character? It doesn't seem like the trade-off is really even, shadow characters get a feature that turns their burst into a OMB that allows you to cancel specials into each other while giving you infinite SP for a short time as well as an extra 2000 health, while non-shadow characters get...20% more damage and a burst that you'll be able to activate about as often as a shadow character's berserk? Is the 20% more damage just far more noticeable than I'm giving it credit for? I haven't seen people discuss this before so I feel like I'm missing something.
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Not having the defensive benefits of a defensive Burst or of Awakening reducing damage taken when you get down that low seems to be the big things, to the point where most people weren't using Shadow characters and they had to give them general system buffs in the 1.1 patch.
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Shadow characters don't get Awakening mode so they actually don't really have much more life than normal characters a lot of the time, plus they don't get the free +50SP either. Not having a Burst is also A Big Deal because big combos can do a poo poo ton of damage. 20% less damage is a whole lot less damage, their normal combos tend to be pretty anemic. Also being more dependent on SP meter for damage means using SP for other options (like RCs, GCs, SBs, and so on) is not so great. Prior to version 1.1 they didn't get the +2000 to HP and couldn't use Awakening Supers, and they were 100% worthless across the board. I still haven't heard much about them in 1.1 so far, so I don't really know if they're significantly better or not. Some people seem to be actually using them now though, so maybe they're alright for certain characters? If nothing else, they sure allow for some hilariously dumb combos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOjrrWmnZ3I Gwyrgyn Blood fucked around with this message at 05:37 on May 30, 2014 |
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Oh wow, I somehow managed to completely forget to factor in defensive Bursts when thinking about comparisons all this time. That'll kinda do it, yeah. I didn't know they didn't get the damage reduction from Awakening though. How do awakening mechanics work with shadow characters, then? If Awakening doesn't reduce damage, do they still get the 50 free sp/increase sp gauge? I can definitely see how gating a character's awakening super without the damage reduction would be pretty garbage. e: Spent too long in the post window and didn't see the above post. Welp, I guess now I know why I never saw the argument before that shadow characters were way better! (it is because I hadn't read up on them enough and they were actually really terrible) Wrist Watch fucked around with this message at 05:45 on May 30, 2014 |
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It's also really dependent on the individual Shadow character. For instance, Shadow Yukiko generally pales in comparison to normal Yukiko because normal Yukiko has a reliable unblockable setup with her new dial combo, and Shadow Yukiko can't do much with Shadow Rampage aside from Fire Amping herself up to level 6 or 8, which is nice for getting Vermillion Bird up quickly, but isn't that amazing compared to the kind of nasty stuff Shadow Chie/Mitsuru/Naoto can do. Some characters, like Shadow Yosuke or Teddie, also get really affected by the 20% damage loss because they were struggling a little for damage already.
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May 30, 2014 10:59
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Bummed there's still no Adachi. They totally have tv's in prison, he can join the fun. I also think I'd be much happier about Koromaru as a character if he wasn't shackled with Ken. Though, I loved the way shadow Labrys played and if there's any similarity there with the way Ken/Koru work together it could be fun. Edit: Reading back a few pages it sounds like adachi has been confirmed or something? That's neat to hear. LibbyM fucked around with this message at 12:30 on May 30, 2014 |
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May 30, 2014 11:14
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ApplesandOranges posted:Ken: The Cheeky Prime Cynical Rookie 
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May 30, 2014 11:19
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Golden Goat posted:Wait, Koromaru doesn't have one? Worst game ever 0/10 Koromaru didn't get one because it is impossible to insult him.
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May 30, 2014 12:38
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I would have also just excepted one that didn't insult him or "BARK, BARK, BARK, BARK, BARK" as his title which only Aegis can read.
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May 30, 2014 12:41
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LibbyM posted:Bummed there's still no Adachi. They totally have tv's in prison, he can join the fun. I also think I'd be much happier about Koromaru as a character if he wasn't shackled with Ken. Though, I loved the way shadow Labrys played and if there's any similarity there with the way Ken/Koru work together it could be fun. Adachi has never been confirmed, he shows up in Yukari and Yu's arcade modes, but that's it so far.
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May 30, 2014 12:58
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0inw1WBwqWk Here's Ken's trailer translated.
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May 30, 2014 13:12
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Wait a second: The Underdogs with a Bone to Pick All is forgiven. They are now my main.
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LibbyM posted:Edit: Reading back a few pages it sounds like adachi has been confirmed or something? That's neat to hear. He's not confirmed so much as he's in the game in some capacity. Don't write him out as playable though, the game's coming out in three months and they still have time to add him, I doubt they're gonna leave us with Ken and Koromaru as their last big announcement given how much they've hyped him, but we won't know for sure until a trailer or the game is out. Golden Goat posted:Wait a second: The Underdogs with a Bone to Pick This is actually a really good title. Captain Baal fucked around with this message at 13:23 on May 30, 2014 |
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May 30, 2014 13:20
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ApplesandOranges posted:normal Yukiko has a reliable unblockable setup with her new dial combo I am unbelievably excited for it to not be impossible to do damage with yukiko.
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So who are your mains and how good are you at playing them? I want to say Aigis is my main but I really suck with her so I end up using a high-tier character like Chie just to have a chance of winning
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I got schooled by someone the other day using Yukiko. I actually managed to win a match as Yosuke, so probably him unless the new additions or shadow types are better.
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