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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Blocking kiddie porn websites is government censorship even if it's non-oppressive good government censorship that everyone agrees on. Right, it's just a form of censorship that our current society thankfully accepts and agrees with. In the seventies you actually had quite a few (ex-)hippies arguing that children deserved sexual freedom as well.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Blocking kiddie porn websites is government censorship even if it's non-oppressive good government censorship that everyone agrees on. In the end the map is meaningless because it has a very liberal definition of censorship. A country being registered as having censorship basically says "this country has legal standards in compliance with the norm". At the same time it implies lack of liberty in these countries by creating a false continuum between most countries and the "black holes" where legitimate ideological censorship does exist.
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Phlegmish posted:Right, it's just a form of censorship that our current society thankfully accepts and agrees with. In the seventies you actually had quite a few (ex-)hippies arguing that children deserved sexual freedom as well. Someone hasn't heard of ephebophilia, which totally isn't pedophilia in any way!! 
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steinrokkan posted:At the same time it implies lack of liberty in these countries by creating a false continuum between most countries and the "black holes" where legitimate ideological censorship does exist. 
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steinrokkan posted:In the end the map is meaningless because it has a very liberal definition of censorship. A country being registered as having censorship basically says "this country has legal standards in compliance with the norm". I've met several computer nerds (especially the silly crypto-anarchist ones) that genuinely think that all forms of censorship are horribly oppressive and banning torrents is as much a breach of freedom of speech as China's firewall is. Information wants to be free~ and all that.
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Rumda posted:
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Lawman 0 posted:Holy poo poo Romania! Nige was right 
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Lawman 0 posted:Holy poo poo Romania! You know nothing, John Lobster.
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Phlegmish posted:Right, it's just a form of censorship that our current society thankfully accepts and agrees with. In the seventies you actually had quite a few (ex-)hippies arguing that children deserved sexual freedom as well. I recall reading about a danish publisher who made a child pornography magazine, which at that time was perfectly legal. I don't, however and I count myself lucky, remember the title.
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Sexually abusing children is a crime. Possessing photos of a crime? I've got to say I have a hard time with that being treated the same way.
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Count Roland posted:Sexually abusing children is a crime. Possessing photos of a crime? I've got to say I have a hard time with that being treated the same way. There aren't a significant number of people who (e.g.) get off on people getting murdered and cause large numbers of murders to occur so they can get pictures of the crime. There is that demand for sexually abusing children, which sets it apart.
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Count Roland posted:Is that actually a game? Yes, it is from Shadow President. SkySteak fucked around with this message at 04:32 on May 31, 2014 |
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Glory to the freedom fighters of Lesotho, Swaziland and Malawi that have resisted the imperialist Oceania aggressors
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And plucky Moldova and Estonia are managing to resist Eurasia.
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All I've learned from this thread is that Antarctica is the least oppressed, least racist, least ignorant place on Earth.
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TildeATH posted:All I've learned from this thread is that Antarctica is the least oppressed, least racist, least ignorant place on Earth. From that we can conclude that countries are evil.
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TildeATH posted:All I've learned from this thread is that Antarctica is the least oppressed, least racist, least ignorant place on Earth. Penguin Progressives
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Internet filtering talk: Here in the UK, at least, filters set up for the express purpose of blocking child abuse images have led to remit creep, most notably since 2006 there have been periodic attempts to extend it to material "glorifying terrorism" (which, legally, has a definition so open that there was a short story anthology about it). The current push to extend internet filtering to make pornography opt-in is kinda worrying too, especially when it comes to LGBT content (and especially content aimed towards questioning teenagers, often accessed in schools).
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In Burma/Myanmar all the internet cafes (and I mean all of them I saw, this wasn't just a one off) have a little sign next to each computer telling you how to connect to a proxy server. I thought this was the greatest thing ever. Still took 10 minutes to load facebook on a hilarious mid-90s speed connection though.
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Carbon dioxide posted:From that we can conclude that countries are evil. Unironically this.
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3peat posted:Please continue using credit cards without chip and pin America Wait seriously? I always wondered why American TV shows seem to talk about credit card fraud all the time.
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a pipe smoking dog posted:Wait seriously? I always wondered why American TV shows seem to talk about credit card fraud all the time. Some of them have the chips you're talking about but not many because barely any payment processor here supports it. None of them have pins, but debit cards have pins and you can generally use those everywhere except online. A bunch have those RFID chips in them that let people steal your identity wirelessly or whatever, but all the stores around me disabled their receivers because they broke a lot and nobody ever used them. This is probably just an abnormality but who knows. EDIT: So if you buy things online do you get a card reader for your PC or do you just use the pin in that case? I always thought the chips were a neat idea.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Some of them have the chips you're talking about but not many because barely any payment processor here supports it. None of them have pins, but debit cards have pins and you can generally use those everywhere except online. A bunch have those RFID chips in them that let people steal your identity wirelessly or whatever, but all the stores around me disabled their receivers because they broke a lot and nobody ever used them. This is probably just an abnormality but who knows. The other thing is that our debit cards in the US can double as credit cards. Most stores will ask if you want something as credit or debit, and you can say credit, and they'll just scan it and you'll sign or just be able to go. Debit requires a pin to be entered.
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3peat posted:Please continue using credit cards without chip and pin America Woah wait what? 
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Kurtofan posted:Woah wait what?  I think I found a newer one? 
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Phlegmish posted:Right, it's just a form of censorship that our current society thankfully accepts and agrees with. In the seventies you actually had quite a few (ex-)hippies arguing that children deserved sexual freedom as well. Weren't German Green's old guard especially filled with pedos?
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Hogge Wild posted:Weren't German Green's old guard especially filled with pedos? One French minister basically wrote about his wonderful experiences in Thailand with boys, while Dany le rouge (German EU Green) wrote about how children opened his pants for.. reasons. Disgusting people, all they ever got was a reward with high paying political positions.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Some of them have the chips you're talking about but not many because barely any payment processor here supports it. None of them have pins, but debit cards have pins and you can generally use those everywhere except online. A bunch have those RFID chips in them that let people steal your identity wirelessly or whatever, but all the stores around me disabled their receivers because they broke a lot and nobody ever used them. This is probably just an abnormality but who knows. If I buy things online I don't have to enter a pin, but in the majority of cases I will be asked to provide three characters from a password I have previously set up, e.g. I will be asked for the first, fourth and ninth letters. If I did any Internet banking though, my bank would provide me with an authenticator which would require me to put the card in the authenticator and type in my pin to receive a one-time key as part of the log in process. My bank also does this when I go into a branch, when I reach the teller there is a chip and pin keypad where I have to insert my card and enter my pin to verify my identity. Before any transaction actually gets processed by the teller, the pad's screen light up showing how much money is being transferred, and to whom, and I must confirm it on the pad before the transaction goes ahead. My credit card works exactly the same way.
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Hogge Wild posted:Weren't German Green's old guard especially filled with pedos? The version of the story I know is that there was a sizable minority of pedos in the 70s counterculture movement in Germany, Scandinavia and possibly the rest of Europe. Tied in with sexual liberation and such. They're gone now, though, they were pretty much entirely purged decades ago.
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Reveilled posted:If I buy things online I don't have to enter a pin, but in the majority of cases I will be asked to provide three characters from a password I have previously set up, e.g. I will be asked for the first, fourth and ninth letters. If I did any Internet banking though, my bank would provide me with an authenticator which would require me to put the card in the authenticator and type in my pin to receive a one-time key as part of the log in process. My bank also does this when I go into a branch, when I reach the teller there is a chip and pin keypad where I have to insert my card and enter my pin to verify my identity. Before any transaction actually gets processed by the teller, the pad's screen light up showing how much money is being transferred, and to whom, and I must confirm it on the pad before the transaction goes ahead. We don't have authenticator gizmos where I live in Europe, instead we have two part identification, I have a passkey that I've memorized and that combined with a sheet of one-time codes (I get a new one from the bank in the mail whenever it runs out or expires) lets me do anything from paying online to managing my bank account to identifying myself for certain government services. Paying in the store is always done by entering a four digit pin for my credit card. The downside is that this system has attracted a lot of email fraud i.e. you get an email pretending to be from your bank and if you're not savvy enough you may click yourself into a mock-up of the bank's own website. You enter your passkey and one-time code and bam they can empty your account. Edit: Then I went to the States and people were using checks to pay for things. Some people are apparently even paid their salary in checks. It's amazingly backwards. Sulphagnist fucked around with this message at 09:59 on May 31, 2014 |
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Hogge Wild posted:Weren't German Green's old guard especially filled with pedos? I don't know whether it was especially many of them when compared with other Green parties/movements of the time, but I have to say that yes, it was quite a bunch. If you can read German then the Wiki Article is very informative. To summarise: There was a whole bunch of groups within the party and affiliated with it which demanded a decriminalisation of pedosexuality. Many of those groups were very active in the struggle for gay rights as well, so disentangling those topics was hard to do at the time. This was not a minority topic, but several high-profile Greens were connected with it, for example the MP Werner Vogel, who organised a convention to the topic sex with children (and then had to step down from office because his Nazi past became public.) A demand for the decriminalisation of non-coercive sex with children was part of the federal party platform from 1980 until 1993 (when it was written anew). And Daniel Cohn-Bendit, a leading figure in the green parties of both France and Germany, wrote in 1975: A classy guy posted:My permanent flirting with all children soon turned erotic. I could feel how five year old girls had learned how to make me horny. and Ugh posted:It has happened to me several times that children unzipped my fly and started fondling me. I reacted differently depending on the circumstances, but their wish opened up several problems for me. I asked them, "Why don't you play with each other? Why did you choose me and noth other children?" But when they insisted, I fondled them back. He explained in 2001 that nowadays he is disgusted by those passages as well, and his intention was merely to provoke. According to him, none of this ever happened. To be fair to the Greens, there were always large parts of the party which resisted the pedosexual activists, and secondly they weren't alone with their association with them. The liberal FDP had connections to them as well. One of those FDP politicians seems to have been Günter Verheugen, influential EU commissioner from 1999-2009. But after all: icantfindaname posted:They're gone now, though, they were pretty much entirely purged decades ago. and seeing that the personnel (and clientele) of today's party is vastly different from those who made up the party back in the 70s and 80s, the main accusation you could level against them isn't their association with those groups and movements IMO but the fact that they didn't confront their own past until very recently.
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Antti posted:Edit: Then I went to the States and people were using checks to pay for things. Some people are apparently even paid their salary in checks. It's amazingly backwards. I haven't seen a check in the States since the early 90s (apart from getting paychecks in some jobs) but I was really shocked when I moved to France and I saw that checks are used all the drat time. Everyone has a checkbook and a landline, it's like living in 1994 again.
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Reveilled posted:If I buy things online I don't have to enter a pin, but in the majority of cases I will be asked to provide three characters from a password I have previously set up, e.g. I will be asked for the first, fourth and ninth letters. If I did any Internet banking though, my bank would provide me with an authenticator which would require me to put the card in the authenticator and type in my pin to receive a one-time key as part of the log in process. My bank also does this when I go into a branch, when I reach the teller there is a chip and pin keypad where I have to insert my card and enter my pin to verify my identity. Before any transaction actually gets processed by the teller, the pad's screen light up showing how much money is being transferred, and to whom, and I must confirm it on the pad before the transaction goes ahead. The same here in Croatia, but my authenticator is IN MY DEBIT CARD! My standard sized card has a little LCD screen and touch-sensitive keys that let me generate my passkey on the spot. How cool is that?
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mcustic posted:The same here in Croatia, but my authenticator is IN MY DEBIT CARD! My standard sized card has a little LCD screen and touch-sensitive keys that let me generate my passkey on the spot. How cool is that? This is the best option for this kind of thing. Type in your PIN, get a one-time passkey. I'm kind of surprised more banks don't just eat the cost of secure token cards for customers. Here in the states it'd be pretty easy to get widespread adoption since having a loving card with a little e-ink screen which spits out a 2FA code when you press the button would be a no-brainer status symbol. And boy howdy do we Americans love our status symbols. Hell, I have a single-button 2FA card for work, drat thing has been washed so many times I lost track and it hasn't missed a beat in almost 5 years. It's basically your typical MMO authenticator keychain but miniaturized to be laminated in plastic so it's a card which goes in the wallet.
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