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pacerhimself posted:Do NOT read the comments. I've never seen such a failure to understand that they're getting hosed over by the people they so aggressively defend. Yeah I have to deal with this stuff in my personal life. "The government decided to contract out a service to the private sector which preceded to fire half the employees and slash the benefits of the survivors. See the government is terrible for workers!!"
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In fairness Obama privately asserted that it's his job to stand between the looters and "the pitchforks."
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SedanChair posted:In fairness Obama privately asserted that it's his job to stand between the looters and "the pitchforks." Yeah, the president seems like more or less a national scapegoat than anything else.
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Buzkashi posted:Yeah, the president seems like more or less a national scapegoat than anything else. That's kind of a hallmark of Democracy as long as it's existed, I'm afraid. Sometimes it's collectively getting together and deciding who gets the power. Other times it's collectively getting together and deciding who gets the blame.
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Someone posted this on their facebook wall https://wausaunews.wordpress.com/2014/01/18/big-hospital-finally-telling-the-truth-about-cancer-johns-hopkins/ quote:LATEST CANCER INFORMATION The sad part is people will believe this and die as a result 
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RagnarokAngel posted:Someone posted this on their facebook wall So stupid that Johns Hopkins addressed it themselves: http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/kimmel_cancer_center/news_events/featured/cancer_update_email_it_is_a_hoax.html
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Laranzu posted:Thanks for the sources and quotes. His normally lively debate is strangely quiet. I like to think that he's on a bizarro version of this thread looking for a proper come back.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:Raw foodists are really weird. Did you know that processed food has chemicals??!? And has been changed? If we were meant to eat processed food God would have put blenders in apple trees.
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Timett posted:I like to think that he's on a bizarro version of this thread looking for a proper come back. You mean Freep.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Did you know that processed food has chemicals??!? And has been changed? If we were meant to eat processed food God would have put blenders in apple trees. I can only imagine these people are the descendants of the humans who looked at other tribes bringing in fire and go "that's a bad idea, we shouldn't do that". Did you know that holding your hand in a fire for only an hour will destroy it?
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Timett posted:I like to think that he's on a bizarro version of this thread looking for a proper come back. Got a reasonable and fact-based response to the stuff we got you to post? Post them here.
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Did you know that fruit is now made of chemicals? It's a setup! Who is responsible for this??
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RagnarokAngel posted:Someone posted this on their facebook wall Someone posted the same thing the other day, I was pretty shocked when the Snopes article for debunking it showed up as a "related article" right under it. It would be pretty sweet if this becomes a regular thing on facebook.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:That's kind of a hallmark of Democracy as long as it's existed, I'm afraid. Sometimes it's collectively getting together and deciding who gets the power. Other times it's collectively getting together and deciding who gets the blame. That's an argument for splitting the head of government and the head of state, like in Britain and other constitutional monarchies. You can have a king or queen be a figurehead to draw attention while the Prime Minister is charged with practical duties. It doesn't always work out, but ideally a powerless monarch can draw the attention of the fringe and the tabloids away from the important parts of government.
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Dirt posted:Someone posted the same thing the other day, I was pretty shocked when the Snopes article for debunking it showed up as a "related article" right under it. I think a couple people have actually posted screenshots of the same thing happening to them. It'd be nice if when you went to post something patently false or stupid on facebook, Clippy would pop up all, "Looks like you're about you make yourself look like an idiot, would you like to check out this Snopes link?"
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bango skank posted:I think a couple people have actually posted screenshots of the same thing happening to them. that would be the best thing. "Want to turn off clippy for facebook? Stop posting dumb poo poo." I can only imagine how fast people would start talking about big pharma or some other conspiracy forcing facebook to stop you from posting "The truth"
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pacerhimself posted:Do NOT read the comments. I've never seen such a failure to understand that they're getting hosed over by the people they so aggressively defend. What are you talking about? The comments are hilarious- for instance: " Totally Disgusted posted:
The later sums it up quite succinctly, good job T.S. Allen posted:I say these things with the UTMOST seriousness. Because America has accepted homosexuality... I got that far and then started laughing my rear end off. Plus the assorted use of "obummer" and "dumbocrats"- come on, a few of you guys went on there and posted some Poe stuff, right?? Also: ah yes John Hopkins the institution that releases official documents that include the phrase "cancer cells will starved." Lemma fucked around with this message at 04:02 on May 31, 2014 |
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Lemma posted:
 
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Tatum Girlparts posted:
I work in his district (but don't vote there, sadly) and the guy is batshit.
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Masonic Youth posted:I'd just like to point out that in addition to being a crazy bigoted gently caress, Eugene Delgaudio also wears that stupid orange hat everywhere. In that picture it makes his skin color look weird, to the point I thought for a moment he was that colloidal silver guy.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Someone posted this on their facebook wall Man this whole thing is solid gold. some of my favorites included recommending trying to eat alkaline foods which are somehow magically suppose to get through the vat of acid that is the human stomach, then recommending a diet with lots of acidic fresh fruits within the same sentence. Recommending to avoid foods high in caffeine, then advocating green tea, which is high in caffeine. Talking about trying to encourage apoptosis when cancer is basically defined as cells that don't undergo apoptosis. And advocating trying to promote an oxygen rich environment right after they finish telling you to take more anti oxidants. I mean could you at least keep your argument consistent from line to line and put enough effort into your bullshit to not be disproven by the definition of the works you are using?
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That's a great parody. It feels so real. I know if I saw that online, authored by someone who meant it sincerely, I might be driven to harm myself.
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They managed to win a lot more than 8 wars. I'd say "but all of those things were smaller, available to a smaller portion of the population, and rail monopolies had a stranglehold on the economy" but that would be seen as a feature, not a bug.
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Also, I'm pretty sure a lot of states had income taxes at that point in history.
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Soviet Commubot posted:Also, I'm pretty sure a lot of states had income taxes at that point in history. The concept of income tax sprang fully formed from the fly-blown demon-womb of the federal government. STATES RIGHTS.
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Soviet Commubot posted:Also, I'm pretty sure a lot of states had income taxes at that point in history. I looked it up out of curiosity and apparently the first income tax was imposed in 1861, and another in 1862 to pay for the Civil War. It was raised in 1864 and abolished in 1872. There was another in 1894, but a Supreme Court case, Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co, basically ruled in such a way that it was made impractical, until the Sixteenth Amendment in 1913. This is all federal though. For state, apparently many states (most of them in the south) did have income taxes, Alabama had an income tax from 1843-1884 for example. A few others (Massachusetts for one) didn't have an income tax exactly, but something similar enough to it. So yeah even a skimming of Wikipedia provides enough information to disprove that image.
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Twelve by Pies posted:I looked it up out of curiosity and apparently the first income tax was imposed in 1861, and another in 1862 to pay for the Civil War. It was raised in 1864 and abolished in 1872. There was another in 1894, but a Supreme Court case, Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co, basically ruled in such a way that it was made impractical, until the Sixteenth Amendment in 1913. Presenting actual facts in this sort of case is superfluous. The person who made that image, and anybody who believes it actually makes any kind of point, has a fundamentally broken view of how anything gets done in any society anywhere on the planet. "There were no federal income taxes from year x to year y. Obviously the rear end-kicking army and navy of those years operated for free. Requiring me to contribute anything to the communal resources is EXTORTION."
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Why is it being presented as extortion if schools, roads, railroads, a military, etc etc etc are all things that people would be willing to have and pay for anyway?
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When they say our military won 8 wars, are they counting the Civil War? Because that should have an asterisk beside its W.
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Leospeare posted:When they say our military won 8 wars, are they counting the Civil War? Because that should have an asterisk beside its W.
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Leospeare posted:When they say our military won 8 wars, are they counting the Civil War? Because that should have an asterisk beside its W. Given how incredibly bloody it was, it's really more like the Union didn't lose (at astoundingly great cost).
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You really just need to post a picture of a one room school house with no electricity to be done with that meme.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Why is it being presented as extortion if schools, roads, railroads, a military, etc etc etc are all things that people would be willing to have and pay for anyway? "I don't have kids, why should I pay taxes for schools?" This is a thing libertarians actually say. They'll also say private companies will build roads/railroads better than the government and if they don't want to pay for it they won't have to. Military seems to be the one thing most libertarians will grudgingly admit need government for but the libertarians I've talked to said there are other ways to fund it than taxes, such as lottery tickets or charity.
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Twelve by Pies posted:I looked it up out of curiosity and apparently the first income tax was imposed in 1861, and another in 1862 to pay for the Civil War. It was raised in 1864 and abolished in 1872. There was another in 1894, but a Supreme Court case, Pollock v. Farmers' Loan & Trust Co, basically ruled in such a way that it was made impractical, until the Sixteenth Amendment in 1913. To add to this, since I've had to actually deal with this same lovely image, before the income tax and after the income tax there were - shockingly - still taxes. The US was funded by gigantic loving excise taxes that basically just shifted all the burden onto the poorest people. Not that the kind of people that post this kind of image think that's a bad thing. Also all the poo poo we had funded by excise tax was largely that, poo poo. Whipping the national army into shape was an issue at the start of the Civil War.
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Steve walks warily down the street, with the brim pulled way down low Ain't no sound but the sound of his feet, LIBERAL LOGIC ready to go  Gay Football  ICY HOT STUNTAZ  Obamacare States  Manure  Reverse Racism  Gun Stabbings  Tommy Flanagan
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Sir Rolo posted:
No? I mean yes I'm sure every state had a "plan" of sorts (even if it was "Good luck") but this doesn't make any sense. Massachusetts plan was fundamentally the same so Obamacare didnt really harm it.
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People have to work together to rake the manure to create a fertile garden that can produce something new. Some people are petulant and don't want to work with the smelly doodoo. A good LL.
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