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Vehementi posted:Came here with this sentiment. I'm fine with Oberyn losing or whatever, but this was an extremely dumb scene. "lol he wasn't actually wounded, GOT YA!" despite being speared at least 1 foot through the chest. ROH-KAY And how he smashed that guy's head in with his bare hands?! THATS JUST CRAZY
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Megasabin posted:I'm not sure how you could make a character getting his head smashed in by a 10 foot giant any less gruesome. Also I don't see how the gore took away from the scene at all. It was unpleasant to watch, but that strengthens the impact if anything. I don't care for it because it comes off as just cheap tv sensationalism. I don't think the goriness in this case says anything poetic or telling about the violent, brutal world these characters live in. We already know this is a violent world, but the show has been building up more blood and innards every season. The excessive use of horrific violence actually dampens the impact when it does happen. The RW was shocking and sad. This was just disgusting.
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Vintersorg posted:No, you see - I care about their personal lives. When they die - a small part of me dies. my point was just i think a cutaway after the head explosion instead of showing it probably would have been cooler because after the blood spatter and eyeball destroying because you had the most gruesome thoughts in your head already and apparently using your imagination is overrated. which is why people watch the show and not read the books i guess. its a really minor nitpick tho imo i am very happy with oberyns face becoming blood sausage.
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Jesus Christ, that was brutal Now I just want to see The Hounds reaction to hearing his brother died. Let him get a happy laugh. Star War Sex Parrot posted:Hot Pie won. Think like a show runner for Game of Thrones You've got cannibal wildings on the loose and a fat kid called Hot Pie...
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So Sansa was in all black and feathers. Isn't that representin' Littlefinger's black bird symbol? Her way of showing acceptance and allegiance?
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quote:The excessive use of horrific violence actually dampens the impact when it does happen. The RW was shocking and sad. This was just disgusting. I thought it was pretty messed up and shocking because I didn't expect a draw. At the same though, the guy's primary character trait is "cocky", so I should have seen what happened coming.
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BubbleGoose posted:I don't care for it because it comes off as just cheap tv sensationalism. I don't think the goriness in this case says anything poetic or telling about the violent, brutal world these characters live in. We already know this is a violent world, but the show has been building up more blood and innards every season. The excessive use of horrific violence actually dampens the impact when it does happen. The RW was shocking and sad. This was just disgusting. The scene (headsmashing with a bloodcloud, etc) was somewhere between 99-100% accurate to the books.
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All this pissing and moaning is going to make me quit the show before anyone's death does.hallik posted:So Sansa was in all black and feathers. Isn't that representin' Littlefinger's black bird symbol? Her way of showing acceptance and allegiance? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was the intent. Also works to show mourning for her aunt, but that part is obviously a ploy.
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Vehementi posted:Came here with this sentiment. I'm fine with Oberyn losing or whatever, but this was an extremely dumb scene. "lol he wasn't actually wounded, GOT YA!" despite being speared at least 1 foot through the chest. ROH-KAY It's a completely faithful adaptation, or at least to the book excerpt I read online (got the link from the last thread). I glanced at the spoiler thread and they're gushing about how accurate the fight is to its source material.
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^ That's ok, they have license to make it not terrible.Roman Reigns posted:And how he smashed that guy's head in with his bare hands?! THATS JUST CRAZY No like if The Mountain had just unceremoniously chopped off both of Oberyn's legs mid air while he was dancing around and then crushed his eyes like that, it would have been fine. But instead they picked the most retarded TV trope of all time "THE VILLAIN ISN'T Vehementi fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Jun 2, 2014 |
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BubbleGoose posted:I don't care for it because it comes off as just cheap tv sensationalism. I don't think the goriness in this case says anything poetic or telling about the violent, brutal world these characters live in. We already know this is a violent world, but the show has been building up more blood and innards every season. The excessive use of horrific violence actually dampens the impact when it does happen. The RW was shocking and sad. This was just disgusting. Oberyn has been defined by his handsomeness, charm, sensuality, and pride since he showed up. He's the Fonz of King's Landing. I dunno how you can't see the poetic purpose to having somebody knock out his teeth and smash his head like a grape. I can understand thinking the way it was shot goes a little too far, but it's definitely a poetic death.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:All this pissing and moaning is going to make me quit the show before anyone's death does. Or you could just quit the thread. That would work out better for everyone. There's no need to get pissy just because people voice criticisms of the show. The show doesn't do everything perfectly and people have different reactions to what they see. Jesus, folks. The Glumslinger posted:The scene (headsmashing with a bloodcloud, etc) was somewhere between 99-100% accurate to the books. I'm not a book reader, so I don't know this and I don't really see how it's relevant. Having to imagine it in your head is a world different from having to see it on screen.
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But he wasn't dead at all to begin with. It's why Oberyn was yelling things at him, and why he was being stupid for not stabbing him in the head instead. EDIT: Referring to Vehementi's post
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BubbleGoose posted:As for Roz, if they killed her character after her 'no more boobs' complaint, that would be really hosed up. Those boobs of hers are the only reason she wasn't just a extra in Winterfell after episode one, and I miss them more and more every episode 
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teagone posted:I wiki'd the aftermath of this fight because I couldn't help myself. Same, I wouldn't be able to sleep tonight if I didn't get some resolution from that. I'm still numb from it though. Those screams were horrifying and the worst part is I know that scene is gonna get posted on the internet a thousand times over in the next year, I'm not gonna be able to avoid it. 
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hallik posted:So Sansa was in all black and feathers. Isn't that representin' Littlefinger's black bird symbol? Her way of showing acceptance and allegiance? She doesn't have any allegiance to him. That scene in her bedroom or w/e made it seem like she thinks she has the upper hand on Littlefinger because she thinks his wanting to bone her is his like, weakness. In all of her scenes you can tell she thinks she knows how to play the game now, but I have a feeling it ain't gonna turn out well for her.
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I wanted to echo what others were saying about feeling ill after the death scene. I almost don't feel like going to bed now after that.
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BubbleGoose posted:Or you could just quit the thread. That would work out better for everyone. There's no need to get pissy just because people voice criticisms of the show. The show doesn't do everything perfectly and people have different reactions to what they see. Jesus, folks. No it's really just that every time something bad happens in the show everyone is up in arms that something bad happened. I disagree with the criticism but it's mostly how loving upset everyone seems to be like this wasn't a pretty obvious outcome.
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Vehementi posted:^ That's ok, they have license to make it not terrible. 
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hallik posted:So Sansa was in all black and feathers. Isn't that representin' Littlefinger's black bird symbol? Her way of showing acceptance and allegiance? Long Tall Sally, she built sweet, she got everything, that Uncle Petyr need.
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AgentSythe posted:She doesn't have any allegiance to him. That scene in her bedroom or w/e made it seem like she thinks she has the upper hand on Littlefinger because she thinks his wanting to bone her is his like, weakness. In all of her scenes you can tell she thinks she knows how to play the game now, but I have a feeling it ain't gonna turn out well for her. I don't know, I took away from that scene in the bedroom that she at least realizes she has more to learn, but is starting to get the hang of it.
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Vehementi posted:^ That's ok, they have license to make it not terrible. I think you need to watch that scene again because you clearly missed most of it. Oberyn himself even say he's not dead.
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The minute Oberyn talked about justice in the last episode, you should've known his time was up. GRRM's driven home the point enough times that an obsession with honor and justice will get you killed in the game of thrones.
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Zombies' Downfall posted:Oberyn has been defined by his handsomeness, charm, sensuality, and pride since he showed up. He's the Fonz of King's Landing. I dunno how you can't see the poetic purpose to having somebody knock out his teeth and smash his head like a grape. Oberyn is all those things, but the most important thing I took away from him was his love for his sister and how badly he wanted to avenge her. So, no, I really don't see how the way he died stood out as a comment on his character.
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quote:I think you need to watch that scene again because you clearly missed most of it. Oberyn himself even say he's not dead. Roman Reigns posted:But he wasn't dead at all to begin with. It's why Oberyn was yelling things at him, and why he was being stupid for not stabbing him in the head instead. Yeah no poo poo, as I said in the first post you quoted. It's the same trope - you think he's incapacitated for obvious reasons, but he's actually at full strength for made up reasons (being a monstrously strong or large person has no bearing on that, as the show has shown us so many times etc.) and completely defeats the guy and you sit there with a lol, okay dude. look on your face.
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hallik posted:So Sansa was in all black and feathers. Isn't that representin' Littlefinger's black bird symbol? Her way of showing acceptance and allegiance? It's showing the shift in her character. She looked different, she walked different, she acted different. She looked a little like her mom, too.
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Star War Sex Parrot posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB3vgeMijCc Is the Vale guy in the armour at the start of the clip related to Braidbeard, the Winterfell guy who had his head chopped off (eventually) by Because drat they look similar. Also did anyone else notice Oberyn's squire wiping down his spear with something?
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He wanted to win pretty. No such thing.
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Behind on the scenes on the fight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wasxw0n0MNI Interesting they used Wushu for Oberyn's fighting style.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:No it's really just that every time something bad happens in the show everyone is up in arms that something bad happened. I disagree with the criticism but it's mostly how loving upset everyone seems to be like this wasn't a pretty obvious outcome. Of course people are going to react when a favorite character dies. And then it peters out. No one, from what I've seen, is moaning about Ned's death or Robb's anymore. Let people have their moment to react and show a little patience to let it ride out.
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LOU BEGAS MUSTACHE posted:he was being a cocky, pompous motherfucker against arguably the strongest person (besides him) in westeros. he is a cocky, pompous motherfucker. My bet is that he just got drop dead drunk. This is actually an advertisement for MADD. Don't drink and fight a 6'9" man with a great sword the size of Cersei Lannister.
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Vehementi posted:Yeah no poo poo, as I said in the first post you quoted. It's the same trope - you think he's incapacitated for obvious reasons, but he's actually at full strength for made up reasons (being a monstrously strong or large person has no bearing on that, as the show has shown us so many times etc.) and completely defeats the guy and you sit there with a lol, okay dude. look on your face. Eh, I don't think it's quite as you're describing. It's not like he just didn't sell any of those wounds, Oberyn just didn't go in for a killing blow when he should have. I doubt The Mountain would have been able to jump right back into the fight.
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BubbleGoose posted:Of course people are going to react when a favorite character dies. And then it peters out. No one, from what I've seen, is moaning about Ned's death or Robb's anymore. Let people have their moment to react and show a little patience to let it ride out. To be fair, no one's favorite character was Robb.
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So the Mountain is supposed to be the baddest man in the Seven Kingdoms, universally feared by all men, including Jaime Lannister who was supposedly the best swordsman in the land? And he was not only handily beat, but showboated on, by Oberyn? Of course he had to die. He was too much of a badass. Thinking back on it if he had lived I would have been pissed.
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Lumberjack Bonanza posted:To be fair, no one's favorite character was Robb. This made me chortle a little too hard.
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Waffles Inc. posted:i don't read this thread every episode so maybe it's like ~a thing~ but the oogling and posting about characters being naked is pretty bad forreal like on top of all the plot and poo poo why is that the thing people post about i dunno I agree. In a show with gratuitous, titilating nudity and sex how dare people find that content gratuitously titilating? 
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Vehementi posted:Yeah no poo poo, as I said in the first post you quoted. It's the same trope - you think he's incapacitated for obvious reasons, but he's actually at full strength for made up reasons (being a monstrously strong or large person has no bearing on that, as the show has shown us so many times etc.) and completely defeats the guy and you sit there with a lol, okay dude. look on your face. Also he's the fuckin Mountain.
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vanbags posted:So the Mountain is supposed to be the baddest man in the Seven Kingdoms, universally feared by all men, including Jaime Lannister who was supposedly the best swordsman in the land? And he was not only handily beat, but showboated on, by Oberyn? Oberyn was also known to be a huge badass, though. Honestly, the fight was basically main event caliber between two pros, not some David vs Goliath mismatch.
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