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Hi, I'm still here, the part of Endikel's consciousness that doubts El exists. I just wanted to make sure that we know that even in our most zealous of times, our belief is not 100% true. Thanks, see you later.
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Crudus posted:Hi, I'm still here, the part of Endikel's consciousness that doubts El exists.
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Jun 2, 2014 15:11
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Crudus posted:Hi, I'm still here, the part of Endikel's consciousness that doubts El exists.  1. B 2. H. "Who dares burn the temple of El?" 3. I. We have been explicitly told by (probably) Melachim to keep our helmet on. Plus, as much it would help to break enemy morale, I don't think looking like a heathen cannibal is going to jive well with the 'champion of El' image we want to project. I just really hope that we're killing the right people here, and if we're not, that yelling about the temple is enough to give them pause. I mean, they're clearly a bunch of dickheads who deserve killing, what with their entirely culturally acceptable burning and slave-taking, but what if they're not actually the ones who torched the temple? We could have some interesting local political problems to deal with.
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Jun 2, 2014 15:26
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"What? oh, we just burned these buildings. The temple was already on fire when we got here, honest!"
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Jun 2, 2014 15:32
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Cathair posted:We could have some interesting local political problems to deal with. Only if we leave survivors. 
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Jun 2, 2014 15:32
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HiHo ChiRho posted:"What? oh, we just burned these buildings. The temple was already on fire when we got here, honest!" War- especially bronze age melee combat done by untrained levies- can be a ridiculously chaotic clusterfuck and things like that do happen, yes. It's not that I disagree with stabbin' fools in this instance, I'm just feeling the pain of charging into a situation where a lot of people are going to die without us having any real idea of what the hell is going on. Our initial assumptions are probably right on! But they could be way off!
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Jun 2, 2014 15:45
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B H: WHO DARES BURN THE TEMPLE OF EL?! I Dio: From a distance, how can we tell that it's a temple of El and not a temple of the Melachim?
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Jun 2, 2014 15:55
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Belief in El or no, I'm glad to see that we are mostly united behind one thing at least: Kicking rear end. The only question is whose rear end to kick.
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Jun 2, 2014 15:57
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HBar posted:B Because it says El on the side. Like how can you tell from a distance that it's a Wal*Mart, and not an IKEA?
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Jun 2, 2014 16:03
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Sogol posted:2-F, 3-I Solid. Has my vote.
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Jun 2, 2014 16:14
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1. B We'll let him get some more experience here before moving him up again. 2. H: WHO DARES BURN THE TEMPLE OF EL? 3. I Safety First!
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Jun 2, 2014 16:17
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Mr Apollo posted:1. B We'll let him get some more experience here before moving him up again. Sounds good to me.
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Jun 2, 2014 16:22
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1D. 2H. Rather than saying anything, Enkidel bellows out a guttoral, primal roar. 3I. Our opposition seems to think we're a group of Mighty Men. Taking off out helmet might dispel that idea when they see the colour of our skin.
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Jun 2, 2014 16:30
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Sogol posted:1-D, 2-F, 3-I
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Jun 2, 2014 16:47
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"Oh poo poo it caught fire in the attack we didn't notice hey we'll put it out and that's cool right? See you bros, nice minotaur you got there"
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Jun 2, 2014 16:52
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Changing my #2 to F per Plan Sogol Single combat!
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Jun 2, 2014 17:05
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Cathair posted:
Well, we were told by Jorah (Xuriel?) to invest in a drat helmet or something because we were addicted to blunt force trauma for a while there. Not looking like a cannibal is likely a good idea, though. And the way I see it, there are four possibilities, from most to least likely.. * These dicks lit the temple up on purpose, and a Melachim sent us to smite them, as we know they do. * These dicks set some nearby buildings on fire, the temple caught a few sparks, and the Melachim sent us here to smite them for being stupid. *The villagers did it, they're heretics. We were called here to back up the other two Mighty Men against a peasant rebellion. Hey, they could summon a demon, maybe? * The villagers did it to call down divine retribution on themselves, and hopefully take the enemy with them. All evidence points to "these guys need smiting." If we stop to ask them whether they need smiting..Well, we are heavily outnumbered and there are no chokepoints.
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Jun 2, 2014 17:25
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Crudus posted:Hi, I'm still here, the part of Endikel's consciousness that doubts El exists. I agree with the sentiment, though El existing is entirely possible (even if there is no proof.) I am the part of Enkidel's consciousness that wants to shoot fish lightning and lead an army of demons on the back of Eyescream to consume the world, or at least do cool things like talk to a minotaur.
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Jun 2, 2014 17:41
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HBar posted:B This.
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Jun 2, 2014 17:46
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What kind of evidence are you looking for for El's existence? Do you believe in the Melachim? We've met them ourselves and they made it a point to mention a single power higher than themselves. How would you explain Power Word: El vs Zviv? I think there's more to El than what we've heard in the stories, but everything we've seen points to his existence.
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Jun 2, 2014 18:01
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Disargeria posted:What kind of evidence are you looking for for El's existence? "Power Word El" is a very interesting thing to me, and I've said it before, but based on Ishamal's reaction, I think we were simply using our own power. Otherwise you have to believe that El granted us enough power to freak out Ishamal and potentially break the world. I certainly think there is more to El, and more to the story of Labaras, but El existing in some form isn't necessarily controversial to me. I've thought for a while, and other posters have touched on it from time to time, that "El" might just be some sort of communal prayer power source. It's hard to tell, maybe he's just a vengeful, petty god.
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Jun 2, 2014 18:10
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Tsyni posted:I think there are Melachim, for certain. Using our own power for Power Word EL doesn't seem to ring true because we DIED. There's at least two melachim watching over us then at that time too.
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Jun 2, 2014 18:15
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I bet you synapses that aren't believing in El are holding us back from REAL ULTIMATE POWER  And I'm voting for the 'keep charging, yell about the temple burning' option. I don't trust these heretical, pampered northerners to have the honour to face us in single combat, better to keep charging and rely on shock and awe.
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Jun 2, 2014 18:26
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Sogol posted:1-D, 2-F, 3-I Voting this. Oh boy this is exciting, I want us to kick a champion's rear end.
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Jun 2, 2014 18:28
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Wow, I finally read through the whole thread. When this started I didn't thing it would be as good as Madgod but I'll eat my words now, good job Diog! For the current vote I say: 1. B put him in the middle, when he gets some mighty strength or powers he can move up. I don't want to deal with dad if he dies. 2. G, H Yell, "We are the spear of EEEELLL." 3. I Leave the helmet on, I don't want to get arrowed. My thinking on this: I throughly believe we are the spear of EL sent by EL to dispatch justice upon the invaders for burning a shrine. Kill 'em all and let the mountain sort 'em out!
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Jun 2, 2014 18:51
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Prior to any of these events, when Danal returned from his trip, you changed his position in the line of battle. You stack your Balls ten wide and three deep, with your Mighty Sons and other strongest Balls up front, as well as the adventurer Eleazer, who at his insistence fights with a sword instead of a spear. You are in the middle front, with Uriah on your left and Gareb on the right. You put Danal in the middle row, to the side. Not the most dangerous but not the safest spot either. You knew he wished to be beside you, he continues to wait. ... Back to the present. Ahead of you are about two hundred and fifty men, if you had to guess, they are largely farmers, laborers and a few craftsmen, poorly armed and poorly trained. Able to butcher farmers perhaps... but you are the Balls of Labaras. Except for the two taller men in the middle, these men are short by Zepathan standards.  As your foe forms up into ranks your Balls speed up from a jog to a flat out run, your Balls screaming as loud as they can "EEEELLLLL!" You see in the middle of their line, two men who are each a little over seven feet tall, their height stands out, they tower over the rest of the soldiers, who are short by Zepathan standards. Both of the men are wearing real armor. One of the suits of armor is of a fine and expensive quality, though nothing like Mighty Man make. The other is of average quality, but still far better than what any of the rest of them are wearing. You are about two hundred paces away when the taller one in expensive armor yells out "WHO ARE YOU?" You yell back while still running "WHO DARES TO BURN THE TEMPLE OF EL?" "ELLLLLL!" cry your Balls. You see two hundred and fifty men ahead of you and they are terrified as a dark skinned giant in glistening armor descends upon them to bring El's fury. Several men near the middle edge backwards, the man in expensive armor draws a sword, pulls back and slices one man next to him from shoulder to crouch in one blow and bellows out "ANY MAN WHO FLEES DIES AT MY HAND! I AM SAUL, PRINCE OF HARMATH, COME AND DIE!" Your heart is beating swiftly as your legs race across the dirt, your Balls on each side bellow out ELLLLL as loudly as they can, do you have the concentration to put together that vital clue and figure out what the El is going on here? ... It seems you do. In some of the inner cities Kings sons are names Princes. This is stupid and decadent and pretty much everyone in Zepath thinks it is a bad idea. Some cities have their kings chosen by birth order, rather than picked by the prior king, which is obviously the better way to do it. Even Ibleam does not have Princes and knows that is a terrible idea. If he is a prince of Harmath, this village probably belongs to their rival, the city of Tamdor. The fact that there is no one here to fight means...Tamdor is probably already loosing or lost. Or this is just a surprise raid. Saul just showed a considerable act of strength... yet his troops are of a poor quality, so he is probably a younger prince and delegated an easy task of butchering an undefended village? If this was a raid and not part of a larger conflict, they would have sent better soldiers so... yes,Tamdor is loosing... so this Prince was given an easy job. How strong this Prince is, is unclear. Your education with Tudiya on kingly matters as a young man pays dividends today. As you consider this, you are about a hundred and fifty paces and see your first casualties as one of your foes clutches his neck and falls to the ground screaming, an arrow just hit him. Paebel and Gaddiel, who ran behind your Balls have stoped running and begun firing arrows. You see men in the rear ranks of your foe raise their shields over their heads, several more fall screaming. Snarls is beside Paebel and barking loudly! WE ARE THE PREDATORS! YOU ARE THE PREY! WE ARE THE PREDATORS! YOU ARE THE PREY! You are a hundred and fifty paces away. If you wish to issue any final orders, this is the time. You.....(You can pick more than one): A. WRAAAAAAAAGH! I issue no more orders and just charge. Not issuing new orders and changing things at the last moment will make the initial shock of my charge more effective. I will hope my Balls know what to do. B. A., but yell ELLLLL! C. A., but yell something else. Keep it short. Fill in. I issue other orders in the final moments. The following orders are tiny changes so it probably won't effect shock value by a substantial amount. D. Throw Gareb and Uriah, your Mightiest Sons at the 7sh foot tall man in average armor, standing beside the prince. You are concerned what he might do otherwise so you have your best and engage him. E. Throw Gareb and Uriah at the Prince, who you will also fight. Either you are concerned about how strong he is and thus want all the help you can get, or you want him dead quickly to damage their morale. Uriah and Gareb are going to make mincemeat out of any normal men they fight, all of your Mighty Sons will. Clustering all of your Mighty Sons on one or two targets will effect the penetration of your charge. F. Throw all of your Mighty Sons at the Prince, alongside you. G. Split your Mighty Sons between the Prince and the other taller man. H. Any other plans that's only involves who your Mighty sons target, without repositioning them. Keep the orders relatively simple, you don't have time for great complexity. The following orders are substantial changes to your formation. You have enough time to do them, however they will reduce the penetration of your initial charge. Right now your line is 10 wide and 3 deep. The enemy is about 80 wide and 3 deep. I. To a man, each of my Balls is better equipped, stronger and vastly better trained. And vastly outnumbered. I am worried about being encircled and surrounded, so I order my Balls into two rows as they charge, spreading out our line. I do this hoping that the vast superiority of my Balls inflicts enough casualties that they break before we are surrounded. J. I, except we form one single row, even wider. K. I have another plan. By the Balls of Enkidu I WILL read through the other options first and if my plan is a tweak on an existing option, I will pick that and write in what I want to do different. As a result of your education with Tudiya, you see a few ways to win this battle and a few ways to lose. Win: With your current formation, push through their middle so hard they break at once, terrified. Options A through E. Win: Push through their middle and though they don't break at once, turn and push down their lines from the middle, hoping they shatter as they take massive casualties. Also options A through E. Win: Kill their leaders and hope they shatter in fear. Win: Spread your line wider than it is now, so your Balls, of vastly superior quality, each inflict many casualties and the foe breaks and run. Options F, G and H. Lose: ...any outcome which involves you being surrounded. You are outnumbered about eight to one. If the fight is not short, you will probably be surrounded and probably die. Lose: The two hundred or so men sieging the tower realize what is going on and join the fight before you finish off the first group. So far they don't seem to have moved. Lose: You personally dying will either send your Balls into a rage, or shatter their morale and terrify them. Lose: If several of your Mighty Sons are wounded, your Common Balls may lose heart. They are brave, but they are just men and you are vastly outnumbered. Diogines fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Jun 2, 2014 |
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Jun 2, 2014 19:04
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E Shock value is nice but I want this guy dead now and if he dies the rest will have no incentive to stay in formation. I think it's the best way to address the win/lose situations presented, at least.
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Jun 2, 2014 19:09
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Razage posted:Wow, I finally read through the whole thread. When this started I didn't thing it would be as good as Madgod but I'll eat my words now, good job Diog!  .
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Jun 2, 2014 19:11
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E. Cut the head off and the body will die.
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Jun 2, 2014 19:16
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E We quickly break the Prince. These men are conscripts, not properly trained or equipped. Just at our charge and our pronouncement, men began to flee. They only stopped because this fucker cut them down. Kill him fast and hard, and they will rout.
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Jun 2, 2014 19:16
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dyzzy posted:E Shock value is nice but I want this guy dead now and if he dies the rest will have no incentive to stay in formation. this is my vote as well. EEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is also the fastest way to get our mighty sons injured, but the risk is worth ending the fight faster. How would Ishamal feel about this? He told us not to meddle in the affair of Kings. Does divine request supersede that directive?
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Jun 2, 2014 19:16
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D. Changing my vote to pure D. But voting we shout EL as we charge the prince. The Prince is ours. This is how it should be, we take out their leader in single combat. The second in command gets to fight our seconds. The Balls know what to do, they know how to assess threat. They're battle trained against minotaurs and armies. Don't micromanage. We push through the lines to the Slaves, kill the Prince and display his head on our spear. They should break and run after that. Lanky Coconut Tree fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Jun 2, 2014 |
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Jun 2, 2014 19:17
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The Prince is what's holding this army together, but the other guy seems to be a bodyguard of sorts. D, and we engage the prince. If we manage to kill either of the two in this first charge the other will be easy prey for the three of us, and after that the entire army should crumble.
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Jun 2, 2014 19:17
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I am voting for B. EEEEEELLL!!!
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Jun 2, 2014 19:18
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 We go one on one with the Prince, our best guys take out his second then press on leading the rest into their heart. Also be aware that the King may be with the besiegers so pay attention for sudden threat coming from that direction.
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Jun 2, 2014 19:32
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Lanky Coconut Tree posted:B. EL. The change is not immense, just noting that.
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Jun 2, 2014 19:33
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Woo boy. This has inter-city incident written all over it. Echoing what Shotgun Willie asked - Using our knowledge of the Old Tales, our time with Tudiya, and our time at the Temple, would killing a Prince in the act of fulfilling a divine request likely cause a major incident? I get that the city of Harmath is probably going to be pissed, but would such an act likely demand a reprisal of some sort? Or, would the fact they burned a Temple have most of Ur going "Well, they had it coming, they spit in El's eye. With fire." 1) D - the Prince is our fight. Let Uriah and Gareb make nice with the bodyguard, and then if we are still struggling they can help finish the Prince off. Also, do either the Prince or the bodyguard have a presence? I know reading levels may be tough, but do they have any at all?
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Jun 2, 2014 19:33
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Eeeeeelllllllll! Take out the prince and this is finished. Maybe El will pitch in a power word or something too. Watching prince idiot get turned into paste will learn them to burn a shrine.
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Jun 2, 2014 19:35
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jng2058 posted:
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D We have Scumfuck #1 well in hand. but unfortunately we only have one spear. Gareb, Uriah, on Scumfuck #2. And yeah, Ish told us not to meddle in the affairs of kings. Tudiya explicitly told us not to bother with warring kings. But I'm pretty sure this is sufficiently atrocious poo poo. If they have a problem, they can take it up with the Melachim.
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