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Was the Hound in the throne room when Littlefinger betrayed Ned Stark?
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Jun 3, 2014 09:13
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I actually kinda like the show better than the books.  I mean there's some changes that I disagree with and some new stuff that is honestly just bad, but overall I like the show better.
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Jun 3, 2014 09:14
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precision posted:The film of American Psycho is immensely better than the book. Doubly so for Fight Club. I agree you can like a film better than its original book, but there's a relationship you have with a book that you just can't capture by watching it unfold onscreen. In fact, I don't think it's even a question of worse or better. Books and movies have different goals in its effort to entertain you. And you can certainly prefer one experience over another. Trying to decide which version of GoTs is better, book or movie, almost seems like missing the point. BubbleGoose fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Jun 3, 2014 |
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Jun 3, 2014 09:16
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Brown Moses posted:Was the Hound in the throne room when Littlefinger betrayed Ned Stark? 
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Jun 3, 2014 09:17
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Lycus posted:Yep. I hope that comes up, considering how things have been set up it'll be interesting to see how that revelation would pan out.
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Jun 3, 2014 09:21
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Now that you mention it, I'm surprised the Hound's never brought it up to Arya.
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Jun 3, 2014 09:23
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Senor Tron posted:I like that idea, I hope it isn't a book spoiler because it actually makes a lot of sense. Don't worry, if it turns out to be the case, it's pure luck. I have a really lovely track record for guesses on this show, so I hope it's obvious I haven't read the books. To be honest it's mostly based on a "How the hell can they explain not just having the Wildlings roll the place over in five minutes?" and that's the only logical out I can come up with. Though apparently I did call the fact that the Viper used a poison blade! Unfortunately I didn't call anything else about the fight, and it was such a minor detail in the end anyway that this is only known because the HBO website said so. BlackJosh posted:Peter Dinklage is awesome and gently caress GRRM if he kills off his character. I love how much poo poo GRRM gets for things that aren't his fault, it's kind of hilarious. Ludicrously hilarious sexposition sequences? HBO. Unending Theon torture? I've heard this was HBO, too. ... and now, getting mad at him for killing characters that he killed a decade before they were cast because of cool actors ... If anything he might push for a reprieve. Anyway for anyone mad about them killing off Obreyn, at least look at the bright side: This was probably the very best role for his career he could ask for. I suspect you're going to see him in more stuff in the near future with how impressive he was. Apparently he's been really restrained and held back on the other shows he's worked on. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 09:35 on Jun 3, 2014 |
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Jun 3, 2014 09:30
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BubbleGoose posted:Now that you mention it, I'm surprised the Hound's never brought it up to Arya. Probably because he never had a full reason to. "Oh yeah, that rear end in a top hat that runs the brothel in King's Landing sold out your dad too." I mean from the Hound's perspective, that is all Littlefinger is right now.
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Jun 3, 2014 09:36
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kater posted:Littlefinger's arc could reasonably be considered finished. He started the show proclaiming his loyalty to Caitlyn and has finally made good on it. Plus the way he sets the stage for Robin and Sansa comes off as almost bowing out. Sure he could scamper off and return to twirl his mustache some more in the future, but he's at a reasonable end. He's in an interesting position right now. Tywin made him ruler of the Riverlands last season iirc. He's now the ruler in the Vale until Robin comes of age. And he has the assumed heir of Winterfell (given that no one knows Bran and Rickon are alive) in his direct control ... and Roose Bolton or no, that's gotta count for something. So he's the de facto head of two, maybe three of the seven kingdoms and yet doesn't seem to be on anyone's radar as a real power or threat. It'll be interesting to see where his story goes, just what his end game is. All of Westeros?
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Jun 3, 2014 09:40
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Blazing Ownager posted:If anything he might push for a reprieve. Anyway for anyone mad about them killing off Obreyn, at least look at the bright side: This was probably the very best role for his career he could ask for. I suspect you're going to see him in more stuff in the near future with how impressive he was. Apparently he's been really restrained and held back on the other shows he's worked on.
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Jun 3, 2014 09:43
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Hopefully before the show ends there will be a scene where Littlefinger, Varys and Dany just sit around have a  off.
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Jun 3, 2014 09:46
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pigdog posted:What the Flick!?'s reaction video How can they even see the TV, it's facing the camera? I call bullshit.
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Jun 3, 2014 10:25
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One thing I am curious about - after Oberyn's death pissed so many people off, if Tyrion does die in the next 2 episodes - how many people will actually stop watching the show for good? I feel like Oberyn dying probably did cause at least a few people to give up, and caused more to be on the edge of giving up. Tyrion is a lot of peoples favorite character, and him dying so soon after the gut punch that was Oberyn may just be more than a lot of people can take. It may actually be bad business sense to kill Tyrion, is what I'm getting at, if it causes the viewer base to plummet. Personally, GRRM could literally do a "rocks fall, everyone dies and Joffrey rises as a zombie" twist and I'd keep watching because sunk costs, but not everyone feels that way.
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Jun 3, 2014 10:42
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I'm not an expert on this by any margin, but intuitively, I'd guess the emotional impact of seeing a character you like die can be a net boost. Sure, you'll lose some, but GoT isn't the kind of show people watch because they dream of marrying Peter Dinklage or Kit Harrington (even though certainly many watchers find either of them very attractive). I think what gets people back to watching GoT is caring for what happens to the characters, and keeping the stakes high will probably help more than it hurts. Unless you only care about the loss in viewers, not the net loss.
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Jun 3, 2014 10:47
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Cingulate posted:I'm not an expert on this by any margin, but intuitively, I'd guess the emotional impact of seeing a character you like die can be a net boost. Sure, you'll lose some, but GoT isn't the kind of show people watch because they dream of marrying Peter Dinklage or Kit Harrington (even though certainly many watchers find either of them very attractive). I think what gets people back to watching GoT is caring for what happens to the characters, and keeping the stakes high will probably help more than it hurts. Net boost? That doesn't make sense to me - at this point, GoT is well known enough that I think everyone who is interested in trying it pretty much has already. I don't really think there's someone out there that is going to start watching the show because they heard a cool character died. While I can understand that killing a character may make an existing fan like the show even more...that doesn't translate into an extra view, when that person is already a viewer. Also - yes, caring for the characters is motivation to keep watching, but as some people have said in the thread already, that only works when characters you care about are still alive. There are certainly people that are starting to feel like the show is losing its' appeal because it's losing characters worth caring what happens to, and they're also getting tired of bothering to care and then having the show kill them. Oberyn+Tyrion may just be too much, it might send a message to a lot of people that it's not a good idea to care about characters or just leave people feeling like the show has jumped the shark because it killed off the best talent.
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Jun 3, 2014 10:54
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Aristobulus posted:Net boost? That doesn't make sense to me - at this point, GoT is well known enough that I think everyone who is interested in trying it pretty much has already. I don't really think there's someone out there that is going to start watching the show because they heard a cool character died. I've seen quite a few people who started watching specifically because of all the buzz the red wedding created.
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Jun 3, 2014 11:02
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If it causes a net increase, I think it would be because major events like Ned's execution and the Red Wedding cause the show to get increasingly talked about resulting in more people checking it out. And if that's greater than the number of people quitting because their favorite character died, it results in viewership going up every season.
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Jun 3, 2014 11:05
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People. This show has been planned to last seven seasons (or so, given that the source material for the last part is mostly missing). This means that we are only just over the halfway point. It's rather logical that people and characters who in other circumstances would be the 'heroes' are dying. They are simply too early into the story. Too early for their time. On the other hand, nature (and show space) abhors vacuum. I don't think it's a spoiler to say that there will be new characters. And given that the show *is* over the bend, maybe they will even survive to see the ending! The funniest thing would be, obviously, if, due to the smaller audience, HBO decided to cancel the show after Season 6. Then neither the bookreaders nor the showviewers (nor the characters) would get to see the end.  e: In other words, if you want to start cheering a particular character and/or betting who survives and who doesn't, this is actually the *best* moment to do so. meristem fucked around with this message at 11:13 on Jun 3, 2014 |
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Jun 3, 2014 11:08
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BlackJosh posted:I mean, yeah totally. If it works. I don't get why nerds need their adaptations to be pure 1-1 interpretations of the source material. Peter Dinklage is awesome and gently caress GRRM if he kills off his character. I'd love it if the show runners kept a few characters around that died in the books and vice versa. Of what I understand of the books, and I haven't read them but have heard brief accounts from those that have, there are a few strands of the show that have already deviated considerably from them. Not killing principal characters would mean Weiss & Benioff would then be on their own in terms of writing additional scenes for them, unless they make them fly back to their home planet.
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Jun 3, 2014 11:16
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Beetle talk was funny, but the fight between oberryn and the mountain was really poorly made. So was dragon womans acting and Arya's fake laugh.
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Jun 3, 2014 11:27
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I don't know how anyone can find Dany's "look ma I'm ruling now!" "arc" remotely interesting when compared to everything else going on. poo poo, even Pod is actually going places.
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Jun 3, 2014 11:37
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regulargonzalez posted:He's in an interesting position right now. Tywin made him ruler of the Riverlands last season iirc. He's now the ruler in the Vale until Robin comes of age. And he has the assumed heir of Winterfell (given that no one knows Bran and Rickon are alive) in his direct control ... and Roose Bolton or no, that's gotta count for something. So he's the de facto head of two, maybe three of the seven kingdoms and yet doesn't seem to be on anyone's radar as a real power or threat. It'll be interesting to see where his story goes, just what his end game is. All of Westeros? Just thought of this, actually. If Littlefinger announces Sansa's existence publicly (or better yet for him, marries her), he can expect most of the Northern houses to (want to) declare for him/her/them over the Boltons, who betrayed the rest of them with the Freys. The Vale was basically untouched by the war, is almost totally unassailable and I guess represents a serious military threat. As for the Riverlands, the Tully-friendly houses would still be loyal to the Starks over the Freys, again after the Red Wedding. This adds up to most of three Kingdoms Littlefinger could end up with. Add to that Stannis making a new move, Dorne being even less happy with the Lannisters than before, and the Lannisters being effectively broke except for the Tyrell's support. It looks good for Petyr, and bad for the Lannisters right now.
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Jun 3, 2014 11:47
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Durzel posted:I don't know how anyone can find Dany's "look ma I'm ruling now!" "arc" remotely interesting when compared to everything else going on. poo poo, even Pod is actually going places. I find it very interesting because she's finally had to stop the constant forward momentum she was making, which means all the realities of rule have caught up to her (as well as past events like Jorah's former spying) and as a result she's doing the one thing that almost every other "King" has neglected since Robert's death - she's dealing with the day to day responsibilities of ruling a Kingdom. Beforehand she was getting all the cool war/conquest scenes, but holding the peace is a hell of a lot harder than winning the war, and I'm glad they actually pointed out that just rushing her horde through the various cities and then leaving behind a power vacuum in her wake is not something that works out in the long run.
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Jun 3, 2014 11:51
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I wonder what position that puts the Tyrells in, Littlefinger knows about their involvement in the murder of Joffrey, and they also know the Lannisters must be hurting for money after paying for half the royal wedding. They don't seem aware of Littlefingers apparent plotting in regards to the rest of country, so when they find themselves up against what could be 3 kingdoms are they going to throw their lot in with the Lannisters when they know they are strapped for cash and when their betrayal could be revealed at any moment?
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Jun 3, 2014 11:53
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GRRM doesn't seem like a sperg even though he may look like one. I think if the show deviates from the books he wouldn't mind too much as long as it was good. I personally don't want them to simply because I haven't read the books and I probably never will. The ending of 'The Mist' movie was changed from the book and it was so good that Stephen King came out and outright said that it was better than his ending and he wished he had thought of it first.
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Jun 3, 2014 12:13
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precision posted:I don't think Jon will be dying any time before the final season/final few episodes, if then. Same with Tyrion, to a lesser extent. Why? Why do you think this of these 2 characters in particular above any others? There is a difference between changing stuff about in an adaptation to suit the medium and choosing to keep alive a main character when the source material kills him off. Most of the time a major characters death triggers other plot lines and character development which you also now have to write around. Just to stop some nerds getting butt hurt about their best bud make believe character has been fake killed. I read the first 4 books years ago and enjoyed them, got tired of the beardy twat writing a new page every month and decided to wait for him to die or finish the series. I prefer the TV show what I remember of the books, but if they had decided for instance to not kill Oberyn because they got a good vibe off of the actor when they filmed the season (remember that all the stuff is in the can before the seasons even starts, they had no idea he was a "fan favourite" when they stuck to the loving script and killed him), I would stop watching.
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Jun 3, 2014 12:15
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SBJ posted:GRRM doesn't seem like a sperg even though he may look like one. I think if the show deviates from the books he wouldn't mind too much as long as it was good. I personally don't want them to simply because I haven't read the books and I probably never will. GRRM posted:You know, it's David and Dan really. David Benioff and Dan Weiss are the show runners.
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Jun 3, 2014 13:00
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SBJ posted:GRRM doesn't seem like a sperg even though he may look like one. I think if the show deviates from the books he wouldn't mind too much as long as it was good. I personally don't want them to simply because I haven't read the books and I probably never will. The ending of the Mist movie was loving awful
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Jun 3, 2014 13:02
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Brown Moses posted:I wonder what position that puts the Tyrells in, Littlefinger knows about their involvement in the murder of Joffrey, and they also know the Lannisters must be hurting for money after paying for half the royal wedding. They don't seem aware of Littlefingers apparent plotting in regards to the rest of country, so when they find themselves up against what could be 3 kingdoms are they going to throw their lot in with the Lannisters when they know they are strapped for cash and when their betrayal could be revealed at any moment? That Margaery looks to be marrying Tommen, and Loras Cercei, puts them in an enormously difficult position too. They'd be basically bound by blood to back the Lannisters, but considering their money troubles and the general weakening of the house, the Tyrells might find themselves the senior partner in the relationship and calling (some of) the shots before long. Coucho Marx fucked around with this message at 13:52 on Jun 3, 2014 |
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Jun 3, 2014 13:04
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmtGW5dPPoM
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Jun 3, 2014 13:18
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Just watched the episode, and just drat. It is us. We are the beetles. GRRM is Olson Lannister. Thmash!
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Jun 3, 2014 13:28
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SirMonkeyButt posted:Just watched the episode, and just drat.
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Jun 3, 2014 13:35
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Yeah, I think it was a cheeky bit of self insertion and nothing of any importance. The important bit was Jaimie and Tyrion chatting and laughing, showing their friendship and long shared history.
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Jun 3, 2014 13:55
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Where's the 9th episode preview at?
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Jun 3, 2014 14:03
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Jerusalem posted:I find it very interesting because she's finally had to stop the constant forward momentum she was making, which means all the realities of rule have caught up to her (as well as past events like Jorah's former spying) and as a result she's doing the one thing that almost every other "King" has neglected since Robert's death - she's dealing with the day to day responsibilities of ruling a Kingdom. I get why they show, but its boring as hell to actually watch it. The whole Khaleesi story arc has been boring the past few weeks. I'm really hoping that they spice it up in the last two episodes of the season.
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Jun 3, 2014 14:15
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FAGGY CLAUSE posted:Not sure how likable these people really are. Margaery knew full well what a sociopatch Joffrey was and was still about 4 hours away from chugging one of his hot loads just because she wants power. Few pages back but I honestly really like Margaery because she's a compelling character who is just as ambitious as any other player but knows she has to go about getting power in a different way. She's basically what Cersei could be if she was a bit smarter and less bitter. I think Margaery was confident she could manage Joffrey (which was probably stupid) but now she's left with a kinder, mouldable alternative and she's already making sure he's on her side. Olanna on the other hand is just a total badass. I don't see how being willing to marry Joffrey makes Margaery so unlikeable when almost every other character does terrible things every episode. Its not like she ever loved him or was blind to his cruelty. As a noble woman there are very few options available to her if she wants power, anyway.
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Jun 3, 2014 14:27
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Brienne of Tarth confirmed for the next Star Wars movie, but you know what I think they need more than anything? A sexy, Spanish Jedi with a lightsaber spear and a lust for wine, women/men, and life.
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Jun 3, 2014 14:36
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Just a reminder - ignore people's avatars in this thread if you don't want spoilers (or turn them off)
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Jun 3, 2014 14:41
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Watched the episode last night. drat, that was pretty hard to watch. Not sure I understand the people saying it turned them off the show though, at this point if you don't expect this sort of thing then you must be watching a different show than me. It was over the top with the grimness but it's not like GoT hasn't always been. It was to a rough extent this episode though. Something that especially got me was Ramsey essentially receiving the best news of his life as a direct result of mutilating and torturing a man. Having watched all the horrific things that happened to Theon and then seeing Ramsey get rewarded was way worse to me than Oberyn's head getting popped.
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Jun 3, 2014 15:30
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Eh...Ramsey didn't exactly get rewarded for torturing Theon, he got rewarded for recapturing the fort. Theon was just how he did it, true, but he probably would've got the same reward if he had found another way. Remember that when he first shows off Theon, Roose is angry at him for flaying Theon because he ruined Theon's value as a hostage. I still don't understand people LIKING Ramsey or anything, or being like "it was so moving watching him be praised by his father", though.
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