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I just aced the T-34-57 and I'm about to unlock the 34-D-5T, but I get the impression it's a worse tank than the -57  Lower MV, not enough extra pen to matter, massive profile compared to -57, and it's going to be going up against Panthers and Tigers.Am I wrong?
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The 85mm will one-shot pretty much everything it can pen, which can be handy. It also has excellent turret armor, I've often bounced rounds from the 75mm L/70.
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Jun 3, 2014 16:22
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Its good, but you just run into cases where there's gently caress all you can do to the tigers and panthers you're up against. I prefer it to the -57 though, since you one shot Pz IV's and tank destroyers, whereas the -57 always seems to take so many hits to kill someone.
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Jun 3, 2014 16:24
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Dezztroy posted:The 85mm will one-shot pretty much everything it can pen, which can be handy. It also has excellent turret armor, I've often bounced rounds from the 75mm L/70. But it does face Panthers and Tigers almost always. Its fine if you position yourself right / the enemy is an idiot, but against a good opponent you will struggle. You will be getting less RP per match most likely as you wont be completely dominating as you probably were in the 57.
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Jun 3, 2014 16:25
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So I have been working on spading all of the planes in the UK lineup in RB and I have to say that it is very lucrative. I am having no money problems at all, and it won't take me too long to get my first jet, the Vampire. So far I have spaded both era I and era II. I think the best part is that you get a bunch of flying experience in regard to shooting down planes that now that I have Hispanos rather than whatever the biplanes have, I am slaughtering things. The worst thing about it is, of course, spading the Wellingtons. The UK needs to design bombers better.
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Jun 3, 2014 16:50
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jadebullet posted:my first jet, the Vampire. I hope you're prepared for complete disappointment.
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Jun 3, 2014 16:52
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Dezztroy posted:I hope you're prepared for complete disappointment. I thought the Vampire was better now that they fixed the FM?
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Jun 3, 2014 16:54
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Which should I use for SPAA, ap rounds or fragmentation/he rounds???
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Jun 3, 2014 16:57
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I run 10 ap and 47 frag on the GAZ.
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Jun 3, 2014 16:59
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YellerBill posted:I thought the Vampire was better now that they fixed the FM? Better than poo poo is still bad.
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Jun 3, 2014 16:59
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Thief posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM3ktULXVx0&hd=1 With AP belts in the IL-2 you can murder Hetzers, Stugs, possibly the first Jagdpanzer and I'm pretty sure you could get a PzIVC with them as well.  Where's my goddamn 37mm Cannon upgrade and cassette bombs at gaijin 
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Jun 3, 2014 17:03
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They made the 23mm good against tanks now? In the CBT it was awful and you needed 100+ hits just to take out a Pz IV.
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Jun 3, 2014 17:08
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You need to hit them from above. The german assault guns have next to no armor on the roof, in fact a Stug A can be killed from above by an I-15 using AP rounds if you really wanted. I'm guessing the first Jagdpanzer is killable via 23mm AP shells since it's extremely similar to the Hetzer, I doubt the IV/70 is as squishy.
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Jun 3, 2014 17:15
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So I asked on the official forums about the ammo costs I and a few otheres were talking about earlier in this thread and here is the answer..quote:SpaceBanditos: quote:Moderator: So it's basically the cannon Corsair, you use it because its good and you will pay out the nose for it. Mystery solved.
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Jun 3, 2014 18:17
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DrAlexanderTobacco posted:"JEW TANK WTF JEWS CAN'T DRIVE TANKS" Considering the Israeli army has some of the sickest tank k/d ratios in history, this dude couldn't be more wrong. Also, SB tanks is great. The planes rarely have any impact on the battle, because almost everyone is terrible at SB planes. I sure can't fly SB planes well either, but I can fly them well enough to drop 1000kg bombs on whoever killed me when I respawn.
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Jun 3, 2014 18:24
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Jesus christ, the flight from the Kursk airfield to the tank battlefield is a loving commute.
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Jun 3, 2014 18:28
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Fart Car '97 posted:I just aced the T-34-57 and I'm about to unlock the 34-D-5T, but I get the impression it's a worse tank than the -57 Nope, you're right. The T-34-57 is easily the best tier 3 Russian tank. In my opinion the 85mm is a shittier gun than the 57mm, and you get hosed by Panthers and Tigers all day. A lot of people like to defend the T-34-85 with the fact that you can one shot Panthers and Tigers if you land a good shot. Meanwhile, they have a pretty much guaranteed one-shot kill on you.
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Jun 3, 2014 18:30
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Geisladisk posted:Nope, you're right. The T-34-57 is easily the best tier 3 Russian tank. In my opinion the 85mm is a shittier gun than the 57mm, and you get hosed by Panthers and Tigers all day. I own the T-34-57 mod 43 and honestly I just played it too much and got bored, the 57mm is an excellent gun but it doesn't have the thrill of an 85mm.
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Jun 3, 2014 18:42
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Why the gently caress is Britain a normal RB map? It is hopeless for the Brits if the germans have any idea what they're doing. Most of the time they don't but every now and then you come across a german team that just climbs up and there is poo poo-all you can do about it.
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Jun 3, 2014 18:51
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Fart Car '97 posted:Why the gently caress is Britain a normal RB map? It is hopeless for the Brits if the germans have any idea what they're doing. Most of the time they don't but every now and then you come across a german team that just climbs up and there is poo poo-all you can do about it. And how is that different from other  vs  maps? Though usually the pilots get dragged down by  pilots. Though you can climb to the side and wait for the furball to develop. And hope your team doesn't get slaughter by stalling hopelessly. Or tell your team to protect you and then continue to play the helpless victim. Be the highest on your team and drag all 109s and Fick Wolfs down.Also fly the Hellcat Mk.I, Spit XVI or Typhoon/Tempest.
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Jun 3, 2014 18:58
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Geisladisk posted:Considering the Israeli army has some of the sickest tank k/d ratios in history, this dude couldn't be more wrong. Wasn't it like 2 Conqueror tanks vs 160 of the other guy?
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Jun 3, 2014 19:02
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Is the SU-152 worth it? I'm to the point where lions start to matter, and I really dont feel like wasting them on something thats going to be a repeat of the slog that was the SU-122.
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Jun 3, 2014 19:15
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People having no idea how to play the SU-122 ITT.
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Jun 3, 2014 19:17
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Hey, that's real fuckin' helpful, thanks for the post.
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Jun 3, 2014 19:19
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Geisladisk posted:Jesus christ, the flight from the Kursk airfield to the tank battlefield is a loving commute. It's something stupid like 14km, isn't it? I respawned in one of the Soviet biplanes after my T-60 died trying to kill a StuG A point-blank from behind and I couldn't get to the battle in time.
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Duck_King posted:Is the SU-152 worth it? I'm to the point where lions start to matter, and I really dont feel like wasting them on something thats going to be a repeat of the slog that was the SU-122. The Su-152 has a better gun (more boom, better ballistics), better armor but is less agile/fast. If you didn't like the Su-122, chances are that you won't like the 152 either. I guess you'd be better off going for medium/heavy Tanks according to your preferences. And above all: play what is fun for you to play. There is no need to  everything. Unless your OCD demands it.EDIT: But I probably should point out that I'm biased against most Su-122 (+) TDs.
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Duck_King posted:Hey, that's real fuckin' helpful, thanks for the post. I play very aggressively. The gun is too inaccurate and reloads too slowly to waste a shot on misses. Get close. Shoot once and they are either dead or crippled, so scoot back into cover while reloading. If you're going 1v1 against an enemy tank and he knows you're there, try angling the armor and baiting him into shooting your front. Once he shoots take your time aiming your shot while he reloads. Against enemy tank destroyers I usually try to ram them from the side so they cant shoot me, then take my time getting my shot in. If not then I treat them like everyone else. Prioritize targets as well. 99% of the time any tank you land a hit on is at least taken out of the fight for a while. The stubby-gunned German tanks have trouble penning your front so go for IV F2s and III Ls first.
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The SU-122 is great and the SU-152 is even better. If you don't like either, then there's no point going further into the Soviet TD line as it's more of the same.
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Dezztroy posted:I hope you're prepared for complete disappointment. It looks cool, so I don't care that much. Plus it will be fun to rocket stuff in combined arms for no reason what so ever.
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Tank Boy Ken posted:And how is that different from other At least on other maps the Germans don't start 1km up going 350kph. You don't even really have enough map space to maneuver away from them, like other maps. I was flying a typhoon today and every time I ended up with a 109/190 above me with nothing I could do except run. It's fine as as event when the planes/player numbers are somewhat controlled but it's just a poo poo map to have come up when you're flying british.
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Liberatore posted:The SU-122 is great and the SU-152 is even better. If you like neither, then there's no point going further into the Soviet TD line as it's more of the same. Not true. I like the the SU-85 a lot. The problem with the SU-122 is that the poor gun depression coupled with a glacier like reload and paper thin armor means you only get one shot, and hit or no, if he has friends you're hosed. The tall profile also means that you get hit more often than your gun will be able to fire at, so going hull down is incredibly difficult. I suppose I will skip the 152 and go straight to the 100. Edit: Errr 85m I mean. Duck_King fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Jun 3, 2014 |
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Awesome. I just got Kursk in RB.
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Most people take off and fly to the East as , but going for a SSW or SW flight direction can take you out of the german approach. And yes it's an uphill fight with the german airspawn. Though that's also true for Bulge against a squad in Hitlerbolts. Though it's tough luck if your team consists of pubbies. And with the Typhus you might get a couple of Vb/c on your team, which isn't helping. It sucks getting the map 10 times in a row though.
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It doesn't show up on the higher tier rotation, so 50/50 if the Germans are clubbers or new. I usually climb towards the non airfield point past the water. If the Germans bounce on me I can try to trap them down to the AA but most often they don't want to leave the engagement zone and find a crabber elsewhere. Makes it a pain to fly typhoons, the extra 15 seconds to start takeoff hurts.
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Duck_King posted:Not true. I like the the SU-85 a lot. The problem with the SU-122 is that the poor gun depression coupled with a glacier like reload and paper thin armor means you only get one shot, and hit or no, if he has friends you're hosed. The tall profile also means that you get hit more often than your gun will be able to fire at, so going hull down is incredibly difficult. I suppose I will skip the 152 and go straight to the 100. That's exactly what I mean, though. Those characteristics define the last 3 Soviet TDs, as well as the SU-152 and the SU-122. Hell, poor gun depression and paper armor define every Soviet TD with the exception of the SU-85, which gets 5 degrees of suppression instead of the standard 3.
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Duck_King posted:Hey, that's real fuckin' helpful, thanks for the post. His response is rich given that he was lamenting giving gaijin money after buying one of the closest planes to pay to win in the whole game, but he couldn't figure out how to fly it. 
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Cut it out with changing my UI scale game, that's creepy 
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mlmp08 posted:His response is rich given that he was lamenting giving gaijin money after buying one of the closest planes to pay to win in the whole game, but he couldn't figure out how to fly it. What's richer is that people still can't figure out each of those responses was ripped directly from the War Thunder Official Forums
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Tank Boy Ken posted:Though that's also true for Bulge against a squad in Hitlerbolts. Though it's tough luck if your That's been fixed actually. ALso I'm really loving bad with the Typhoon. It's the one plane I cannot figure out. People say it turns well, but I find it wallows around like a pig. It's not fast, it can't handle any impressive BnZ speeds without turning into a brick. IDGI 
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Duck_King posted:Not true. I like the the SU-85 a lot. The problem with the SU-122 is that the poor gun depression coupled with a glacier like reload and paper thin armor means you only get one shot, and hit or no, if he has friends you're hosed. The tall profile also means that you get hit more often than your gun will be able to fire at, so going hull down is incredibly difficult. I suppose I will skip the 152 and go straight to the 100. Edit: Errr 85m I mean. The SU-85 and SU-100 are the exceptions to the rule that Russian TDs are all about lobbing huge HE shells to one-shot everything. Going hull-down without a turret is not possible, seeing as you're all hull. It sounds like you'd have a better time just using Soviet medium tanks instead.
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