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mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy

Sky Shadowing posted:

UEFA has different tiebreakers. First is points between teams (1-1 draw, so even at 1), second is goal difference between teams (again, 1-1 draw, so even at 0), third is goals scored between teams (still 1-1) and fourth is goals scored away between teams, which they take because they drew us at Wrexham, thus 1 away goal to our none, since we've not played there yet.

Cheers, that makes sense and is actually a more sensible system than "who can tonk the poo poo team the hardest?"

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habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
Meh, the pythagorean record still works pretty well for soccer even if it's not quite as great as compared to other sports. Even moreso considering that in soccer you have balanced schedules where everyone has the same number of home and away games against the various opponents. Drop a double hat-trick on one team and that still tells you something as compared to another opponents one goal victory over the same team, even if you have to account for starting lineup, injuries, fatigue, form, etc.

At the same time, I can understand the different formula used in the Champions League where you have only six games to look at, and thus have all sorts of sample size issue.

eta: Speaking of tonking the poo poo team...



And that was an away game. And they were at even strength until the 75th minute, after I pulled several starters. Oh, and they were in the top half when we did it.

eta: and while I'm at it, I realized I still had FM13 installed, behold the greatest tonking of all time. FC Halifax over Benfica in the quarterfinals of the Champions League.



You know it's a mashing when you bring on a striker after an hour, he scores a hat-trick, and he's not the first guy on your team to do it. I couldn't believe this game when it was happening, the Benfica manager was fired after the match was over but I think the game engine probably shitcanned him with 5 minutes left in the game after allowing our 9th goal.

Almost-Final ETA: The Champions League group stage has ended.



I'll be going through my spreadsheet of predictions to see if anyone won the prediction contest outright, or if it's going to come down to a tiebreaker and will update this post after I do that. Woe betide you fools who didn't think Wrexham would advance.

Final ETA: OK, I've tallied the numbers, and we have a five way tie at 19 of 24 correct predictions. Not even 80%? Shame on all of you. Even Shieldhill's random rear end guessing got 50% correct. So it's coming down to a tiebreaker.

Camoes says we'll score 120 goals
Dreamsicle says we'll score 156 goals
The Mattybee says we'll score 131 goals
Nondevor says we'll score 115 goals
blakout says we'll score 158 goals

As of December 7th we've scored 75 goals in 29 games. We have between 27 and 41 games remaining, depending on how deep we make it in the cups and Champions League. Sorry The Mattybee, Camoes, and Nondevor, this is probably going to come down to a fight between blakout and Dreamsicle.

No, seriously, final ETA: if we score 157 goals I'll figure out a second tiebreaker. I should have have time to think one up between now and then.

habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 04:37 on Jun 5, 2014

Dreamsicle
Oct 16, 2013

So if Wrexham scores 157 goals who wins?

Yes I saw the calculations live. I wanted to make sure I got Marseille correct but then I saw you adding the scores.

Dreamsicle fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Jun 5, 2014

Insertnamehere31
Jan 23, 2012

This could be the most one-sided fight since 1973 when Ali faced an eighty-foot tall mechanical Joe Frazier. My memory isn't what it used to be, but I think the entire Earth was destroyed.

Insertnamehere31 posted:

I'm also gonna say that Stromsgodset is going to lose their group games by a combined 12 goals. I don't know how good they are, but I'm fairly certain that the Norwegian champion can't stand up to the giants of French football and two second tier teams from the two best leagues in the world.




Wow, Stromsgodset did even worse than I though they would.

Insertnamehere31 fucked around with this message at 05:01 on Jun 5, 2014

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
Yeah, if anyone thinks I screwed up their number correct and they had 19/24 or more let me know. I'll go back and check the thread. But I'll be looking to see when you last edited your prediction. :)

As for Stromgodset, they're just happy to be there. The 8 million pounds they get for just making the group stage is probably over 50% of their turnover in a normal year.

Trundel
Mar 13, 2005

:10bux: + :awesomelon: = :roboluv:
- a sound investment!
Damnit, my chance to hype Colwyn Bay through the standings won't happen now. Good luck to those left. Also I just noticed that I had all of the groups labelled wrong in my prediction :doh:

The Sandman
Jun 23, 2013

Okay!

So, I've, like, designed a really sweet attack plan that I'm calling Attack Plan Ded Moroz, like "Deadmau5!"

WUB!
Is the recurring problem with botching chances your guys should have capitalized on a hidden stat issue, a "the computer hates the human player" issue, or something that you're actually likely to see in real-life top-level soccer?

Kind of sorry I didn't make it to this thread in time to throw my hand into the voting, though; I probably wouldn't have won, but if I had then we'd have been looking at the Vatican getting a team next year. Or Arsenal getting an utterly terrible owner who would be impossible to unseat.

Just out of curiosity, is it possible as a league team to schedule friendlies against national teams? When next season rolls round, it might be amusing to go and humiliate entire countries on their home turf.

Nondevor
Jun 1, 2011





catposting
Hahaha, seriously? I just picked names out of a hat since I didn't recognize 80% of the teams.

It would be pretty sad if Wrexham scored low enough for me to win though. I have high expectations habeas despite my lowball guess. :colbert:

LionYeti
Oct 12, 2008


Yess my terrible knowledge of non English \ Spanish football didn't screw me. Come on Wrexham score all the goals.

Eifert Posting
Apr 1, 2007

Most of the time he catches it every time.
Grimey Drawer
Caught up. :smith:

FailAtMagic
Apr 11, 2011

Don't be sad. Habeasdorkus is a good dealer he treats us nicely and gives us our fix every day or two :)

Sky Shadowing
Feb 13, 2012

At least we're not the Thalmor (yet)

The Sandman posted:

Is the recurring problem with botching chances your guys should have capitalized on a hidden stat issue, a "the computer hates the human player" issue, or something that you're actually likely to see in real-life top-level soccer?

It's a stat, I think Composure, that handles it, along with Finishing. It's worth keeping in mind that even with max stats, a player can still horribly botch it.

A Tartan Tory
Mar 26, 2010

You call that a shotgun?!

Sky Shadowing posted:

It's a stat, I think Composure, that handles it, along with Finishing. It's worth keeping in mind that even with max stats, a player can still horribly botch it.

It is also something you see all the time in high-level football.

Especially if you happen to be a fan of Wayne Rooney, Manchester United or England respectively.

Munin
Nov 14, 2004


The Sandman posted:

Is the recurring problem with botching chances your guys should have capitalized on a hidden stat issue, a "the computer hates the human player" issue, or something that you're actually likely to see in real-life top-level soccer?

Sky Shadowing posted:

It's a stat, I think Composure, that handles it, along with Finishing. It's worth keeping in mind that even with max stats, a player can still horribly botch it.

We do have proven goalscorers though so it isn't really an issue around their finishing stats.

You do get goal scorers and teams going through slumps though, which is most likely what was happening there. Then it becomes more of an issue of mental stats and experience of the players and good leadership by the team captain and manager. In this case we got off pretty lightly. It was far from a major slump not to mention it is in many ways a good sign that we have to call this dip our worst slump in years.

At its worst it becomes a self reinforcing spiral of poor play leading to poor morale with bawlings out and cajoling by the manager only making the players even more unhappy. Then you get into players blaming each other for the poor performance of the team leading to squad disharmony and with players then not cooperating and playing together on the pitch sealing the side's doom.

inSTAALed
Feb 3, 2008

MOP

n'

SLOP

A Tartan Tory posted:

It is also something you see all the time in high-level football.

Especially if you happen to be a fan of Wayne Rooney, Manchester United or England respectively.

It sure is a good thing that nobody would actually want to be a fan of any of those three entities.

har har har

I marathon-ed this entire thread last week and now my work days are noticeably more dull having to actually wait for new updates.

Insertnamehere31
Jan 23, 2012

This could be the most one-sided fight since 1973 when Ali faced an eighty-foot tall mechanical Joe Frazier. My memory isn't what it used to be, but I think the entire Earth was destroyed.

The Sandman posted:

Is the recurring problem with botching chances your guys should have capitalized on a hidden stat issue, a "the computer hates the human player" issue, or something that you're actually likely to see in real-life top-level soccer?

Kind of sorry I didn't make it to this thread in time to throw my hand into the voting, though; I probably wouldn't have won, but if I had then we'd have been looking at the Vatican getting a team next year. Or Arsenal getting an utterly terrible owner who would be impossible to unseat.

Just out of curiosity, is it possible as a league team to schedule friendlies against national teams? When next season rolls round, it might be amusing to go and humiliate entire countries on their home turf.

For me it definitely feels like occasionally the computer is doing all it can to gently caress over the human player. I'll be playing as a championship side against a L2 side or whatever and be dominating the game possession and shot wise, only for my team to completely botch 10+ chances, and the computer gets precisely 1 chance that goes in. I admit sometimes I resort to save scumming to try to avoid results that I feel shouldn't have happened, but whenever I do more often then not the game will follow the exact pattern. For example, if I lose a game the first time by getting a star player sent off with a red card at the 60 minute mark then losing when the computer gets a penalty in the last few minutes and I restart it, the next time that same player will get a red at the 30 minute mark and this time I'll lose by 2. Maybe I'm just a bad player and don't understand the motivation and momentum aspects of the game well enough, but it can be so goddamned frustrating losing games that by all accounts my team should be winning and not being able to do anything about it while watching my team play like total poo poo.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
Chapter the Fifth: Wherein I fervently pray for our ultras to glass multiple referees.
November 28, 2021-December 18, 2021

Dear Santa, I would like five wins in five games.

Thank you,
A grown man playing a video game in June.



Would you look at that. We play a megabastard, we get on TV.

At Derby County, November 30, 2021
Premier League


Derby are in eighth place, and drew their last game before winning the four prior. That's enough to get us considered underdogs by the betting public, and gives me bulletin board material for the boys to get their dander up about being disrespected. I wouldn't want to be in Derby's boots after my agitating is complete.

Starting Formation: 4-2-3-1 Control
Starting 11: El Sayed, Pejkovic, Laux, Todd, Suslov, Dixon, Morvan, Nieddu, Shirra, Mujkic (c), Bastable.
Subs: Kovacevic, Mejasic, Feruga, Julio, Matko, Cardozo, Arts.

Nieddu only needs one shot to score the kill, and we're off to the races. Bastable adds his 50th league goal for the club, and he's now only eight goals from Billy the Kid's modern day record. He's still less than a third of the way to the actual club record, which was set by Tommy Bamford between 1928-1934, but I'll have more on that when we next play Manchester United. We miss chances after the two early strikes to put us ahead by three, but we're still looking alert and dangerous rather than complacent and lazy. That continues until we have a break in the action when our 19 year old defensive midfielder Ben Dixon goes down in the 40th minute and can't continue. It's a shame, I was giving him a spot start so that Morvan could play the box-to-box role and give Petts a rest and until his injury he was playing well.

The half ends after we get our third goal from a penalty. It's awarded when Todd is shoved away from an incoming corner, and the Golden Boy Shirra converts. When the ref mercifully whistles the first half dead Derby has not had a single shot, and the announcer states that the game is as good as over. That's proven to be without a doubt not long after play resumes when the dispirited Derby faithful witness a Meteor strike from a 25 yard free kick that bends into the far corner. There was no way anyone short of Dhalsim could have saved it. With fifteen minutes left the Derby right back has seen enough, and gets himself sent to the showers early after picking up his second yellow card. A man down they're even more hapless than before and the Bastard just won't let them be. He gets a great first touch on a long pass upfield from Nieddu to beat his man and scores his second of the day with six minutes remaining, and then nets his hat trick when he's again fed by Nieddu and nods a perfect header past the flat-footed keeper. It's our widest margin of victory in a competitive match since another 6-0 romp back in the League One days of 2017.

Man of the Match: The Bastard of Wrexham.




Derby 0-6 Wrexham



As much as I don't want Dixon's development impaired I'd much rather he get hurt in a spot start rather than lose Morvan or Mair.



Nieddu was amazing the last game, with a goal and three assists. He's now at 9 goals and 11 assists through 19 games this season. But as this is only the second year of his deal I won't be talking about a new contract until we get into 2023. He'll just have to wait and be happy knowing that the longer I wait the more it will cost me to re-up him.




Kneel before my pile of tacky trophies!



The shortlist and their real world counterparts, as best I can figure:
Mattia Barbot = World class Swiss right winger, was a 21 year old winger at Basel when game started. He could be a wrong-nationality Mohamed Salah, or he could be fictional.
Steve Collecott = Raheem Sterling, now with Man United. drat you, United!
Luis = Cristian Tello of Barcelona, maybe?
Mattias Mercado = Erik Lamela
Joaquin Morales = Lionel Messi
Matias Troyansky = Roberto Pereyra of Udinese, I think.

Not a single one of our players was among the 35 shortlisted. Almost all of the names are on the big megabastards. Before every match against a team with a player on the shortlist I'm going to post up the list with those names circled and write “The world thinks they're better than you. Show them the truth.”



I have no plans to sell him, but if they offer seven figures I have to say yes. Feruga is a good centerback, but not that good.



This will give us an extra day between our Arsenal fixture and the City cup quarterfinal. It also means we'll be a game behind the league until we play the rescheduled match against United.



The 2022 World Cup draw drops, and England is given an insultingly easy path through their group.



Hahaha, the USA is so toast. Two great teams and the USMNT's bête noire that've thumped them thrice in the past four world cups. They won't get a single point.



Australia is in a group with Poland and Nigeria. Bastable and Mujkic could definitely drag them to the knockout round. We'll have to see how Football Manager sims games in the 120/50 degree Qatari summer.

At Newcastle United, December 4, 2021
Premier League


Newcastle are on the edge of the relegation zone in their first year back up and clearly not the team they were three years ago before their shocking drop to the Championship. Arsenal just keep winning, we need to do so as well to keep up.

Starting Formation: 4-2-3-1 Control
Starting 11: Kovacevic, Cirjak (c), Laux, Todd, Suslov, Mair, Petts, Nieddu, Shirra, Mujkic, Bastable.
Subs: El Sayed, Pejkovic, Feruga, Morvan, Julio, Taborda, Cardozo.

Meteor strikes after 14 seconds and 16 total touches between six players to start the match. It's a fine piece of ball movement, and a clinical finish from our left winger. We're on top at intermission thanks to that goal as Newcastle did a good job defending after that disastrous opening, but as per usual our opponent had very few shots of their own, in this case just two. The second half sees us break down Newcastle repeatedly, and sealing the game with a Shirra goal with 20 minutes remaining. Newcastle see their last hopes dashed when the line judge flags offside on their only breakaway of the game, and we win with a solid effort and sensational ball movement.

Man of the Match: Meteor Mujkic




Newcastle 0-2 Wrexham



We haven't played Middlesborough since 2018, but a Championship team should be easy enough to topple in our house.



The Swans are not far from relegation, sitting in 15th. If they go down we're all that's left of Wales in the EPL. Cardiff certainly won't make a quick return to the league, they're sitting midtable in the Championship right now.



El Sayed is turning out to be a very good backup, he's now gone over 200 minutes since he last conceded a goal. He's exactly what we needed and will get ten or so starts a year in cup matches and league games in order to keep him sharp.

At Valencia, December 7, 2021
Champions League, Group B


Even if we win our group and get seeded, there's only going to be a handful of “easy” draws in the round of 16 and we are as likely to draw Manchester City or Borussia Dortmund as Rubin Kazan or Porto. I'm going to opt for playing some of the kids, because immediately after this come matches against Arsenal and Manchester City. If we scratch a result, hurrah, if we don't who cares.

Starting Formation: 4-4-1-1 Counter
Starting 11: Kovacevic, Pejkovic, Feruga (c), O'Hanlon, Mejasic, Matko, Morvan, Julio, Taborda, Argenti, Cardozo.
Subs: El Sayed, Cirjak, Ludwig, Alvaro, Shirra, Rouissi, Aarts.

There's gasps around the stadium again after just seconds of play, but this time it's for Elvedin Pejkovic, who was tripped and can't get up. Cirjak has to come on as the young defender is carried off the pitch. The ref looks away, refusing to take out any cards, an ominous sign. It quickly becomes apparent that the fix is in. Two penalties are given to Valencia in the first half hour, both converted by American star Brent Woods, and neither of them had any business being called a penalty.

They may have the ref, but we have El Juez. He strikes back in the 37th minute, and 90 seconds later his countryman Rodrigo Taborda pulls us level. We will not be denied by match fixing Hungarian heavies posing as refs. I have to make a second substitution at halftime, Dinko Mejasic has a 4.6 rating and barely avoided getting a second yellow card during first half stoppage time. Even the rookie Ludwig has to be better. He is. When El Juez drops the gavel in the 55th minute we've succeeded in taking the lead after the ref spotted Valencia two goals. They're still making deep, slicing runs on us, though, and with the injury to Pejkovic and having to pull the worthless Mejasic I have no more moves to make except ordering us to firm up and drop deeper.

In the 84th minute the game looks like it should be sealed when Alex O'Hanlon is body-slammed by a Valencia defender during a corner kick, but despite the protestations of the line judge the ref ignores the obvious penalty. His failure to uphold the law can have only one result, El Juez scoring less than two minutes later to earn his hat trick and put the game out of reach. We win after going down 2-0 on bullshit penalties, and being denied a clear penalty shout of our own. More than that, we win our group and are seeded for the knockout stage.

Man of the Match: Carlos Matias “El Juez” Cardozo




Valencia 2-4 Wrexham



That was only one of three terrible calls. It's a good thing we won or I'd have tracked that ref into the back alley where he was picking up his payment and perforated him with Liberty.



Heck. Right wing is a place where we have little to no cover. Piero Argenti is coming up to the senior squad to spell his countryman Nieddu while Matko's hammy recovers.



Heckity thump. That thug Mejasic is now the only person we have who can cover for our starters at both left and right back. I might be looking for reinforcements come January. I'll also have to think about canceling Pejkovic's loan, he's not going to be back until April and he'll cost us £120,000 while he's on the shelf.



Thanks to the salary bump for making the Champions League and my 20% yearly raise I'm now tied for highest paid coach in the world with Arsenal's top man, and my team just finished first in the group. You want me to take a pay cut to join the team that finished last in the same group? Shove off. I have a Versailles-plus mansion to build and then a Bat-cave to add underneath it, son.

vs. Arsenal, December 11, 2021
Premier League


This match will determine who's atop the Premier League, at least for the moment. We're three points back of the north London team, and ahead of them on goal differential. A win equals first place for at least a week, and our next league match is against 20th placed QPR so a win really equals first place for longer than that.

Starting Formation: 4-2-3-1 Control
Starting 11: Kovacevic, Cirjak (c), Laux, Todd, Suslov, Mair, Petts, Nieddu, Shirra, Mujkic, Bastable.
Subs: El Sayed, Mejasic, Feruga, Morvan, Julio, Raborda, Cardozo.

We keep coming up just inches from a goal at the opening of the match, and then the Golden Boy goes all the way in the 23rd minute. When Bastable doubles our lead moments later we've accounted for 20% of all the goals Arsenal has conceded in league play all season. From then on it's Arsenal's turn to try and get through our defense. Kovacevic makes a huge save on a near certain goal in the 59th minute, and Arsenal are not going down quietly. Even with a two goal lead 2/3rds of the way through the game I'm concerned. I have cause to be, they finally get back to one down with 11 minutes remaining, thonk the crossbar with four minutes remaining, and force Kovacevic into making a Buffon-esque save two minutes later before we escape their late rally with a victory.

Man of the Match: Vid Kovacevic.




Wrexham 2-1 Arsenal



We're in first place, jackasses! It's cropped out of the screenshot, but this is from tuttomercatoweb, an Italian football site. It's clear they haven't been paying close attention to the English game, or they'd know we were in the title chase until the penultimate week of last season and are fashionable dark horses for the title this year.



I hope this takeover isn't complete until February 2nd. And that the new owners replace AU-Moyes with their own man. At the very least I hope the turmoil throws off their equilibrium and they drop a bunch of points in the league.



Finally, some TV coverage where we're the bastard. At £875k per TV appearance the difference between having a dozen televised games and three dozen comes out to more than our entire wage bill in our first Premier League season.



Kovacevic saved the day for us. Having one of the best keepers in the league is really goddamned nice.




Have some faith in me, kid. Just look at the all-world talent I've developed at this club. Stick with me and in five years, you'll be where the Bastard is now.



Once we're back in the black I'm going to ask for a stadium expansion. Getting 20-25k fans per game will really improve our gate, and probably allow us to sell more season tickets as well.

vs. Manchester City, December 14, 2021
Capital One Cup, Quarterfinal


I want trophies. If I must fight my way through round after round of megabastard to do so I will. City are playing a number of backups, I'm not. We've got six days off after this game, and our next opponent is lowly Queens Park Rangers. I'm going hell bent for leather.

Starting Formation: 4-2-3-1 Control
Starting 11: Kovacevic, Cirjak (c), Laux, Feruga, Suslov, Morvan, Mair, Nieddu, Shirra, Mujkic, Bastable.
Subs: El Sayed, Mejasic, O'Hanlon, Todd, Cardozo, Taborda, Aarts.

This match was an exercise in frustration. I don't think they randomize the referees when you select fictional players, but if they named a referee Howard Webb randomly it's the greatest renaming ever. He was in his full crowning twerptastic glory today. Rocky Bastable puts the ball in the back of the net four times over the course of the game, but three are called back for offside. Meanwhile City strike twice in the first half, and spend the rest of the match waiting us out, knowing that every time we score it's just going to get whistled dead anyways. Every players' body language screams frustration all through the match, and we're defeated for the first time in eleven games, taking us out of the running for a piece of hardware. I don't even care that a couple of the offside calls were merited or that City's penalty was deserved after Cirjak was caught holding onto a shirt during a free kick, we just didn't get a single break and now we're out of the competition.




Wrexham 1-2 Man City



Suslov is out for the next two games, he's been every bit the difference-maker I'd been dreaming of since he came over from southern Germany. He's going to be replaced by budding Balkan gangster Dinko Mejasic for those games, who will hopefully not take the opportunity to earn more than a yellow a game.



We've got a five way tie for the prediction contest, so it's coming down to the goals scored tiebreaker.

Camoes says we'll score 120 goals.
Dreamsicle says we'll score 156 goals.
The Mattybee says we'll score 131 goals.
Nondevor says we'll score 115 goals.
blakout says we'll score 158 goals.

Right now the club is at 79 goals through 30 matches, with at least another 25 to go and up to 37 depending on how long we last in the FA Cup and the Champions League.



I was really, really hoping we'd pull Energy Drink Salzburg. Instead, Real Madrid gets the easy meat and we're up against German super-giants Bayern Munich. I'd be freaking out, but they've been mediocre the last few years and frankly aren't near the scariest team we could have pulled. They're still at least as good as Manchester City or Arsenal, though, so making it past them will be quite a feat.



Our training grounds aren't filled with players running stadiums or doing suicides. Instead we're inside watching game film and resting our legs for the upcoming month. We've been playing at least six games every four weeks so far this season, but things are going to get even more hectic in the spring.



Well, we're not going to do the Quadruple. But we're rightfully atop the table in the Premier League thanks to the offensive bollocking we've been giving the league. We've scored 40 league goals, seven more than second best Arsenal. And as much as I whinge about our defense, it's tied for fourth best in the league, shipping less than a goal a game. We've made it through a tough Champions League group to finish first, and while our draw could have been friendlier I think we can beat a Bayern Munich that currently sits third in the Bundesliga and which hasn't won a domestic title in four years. Christmas is coming, and I can hear the trophies clanging against each other in Santa's bag.


Viscardus
Jun 1, 2011

Thus equipped by fortune, physique, and character, he was naturally indomitable, and subordinate to no one in the world.
This thread has finally caused me to cave in and buy FM14. I have to say that I found it much easier to get into than the versions from a few years ago when I last played. I'm still not particularly good at it, though.

I decided to set a challenge for myself: attempting to get Portsmouth promoted back to the Premier League in the same amount of time it took them to crash and burn into League Two (with a little help from a sugar daddy, because I am a dirty cheater). I successfully got my team promoted in my first year (in second place, behind an absolutely bonkers Oxford United side that scored 40 more goals than anyone else in the league and set a new points record), and am now starting out in League One.

I have, of course, attempted to copy the Scott Brown lust-for-youth model, and in doing so have found what looks so far to be an absolutely amazing prospect. He's only 15 and already better (or at least better-rated) than most of my squad. According to my assistant manager he should be my first choice attacking midfielder. But I remember reading once that putting players that young on your senior squad is a bad idea and can actually hurt their development. Naturally I am terrified of the possibility of messing up this kid's development. Tell me, O God-King of Wales, what should I do?

A Tartan Tory
Mar 26, 2010

You call that a shotgun?!

Viscardus posted:

This thread has finally caused me to cave in and buy FM14. I have to say that I found it much easier to get into than the versions from a few years ago when I last played. I'm still not particularly good at it, though.

I decided to set a challenge for myself: attempting to get Portsmouth promoted back to the Premier League in the same amount of time it took them to crash and burn into League Two (with a little help from a sugar daddy, because I am a dirty cheater). I successfully got my team promoted in my first year (in second place, behind an absolutely bonkers Oxford United side that scored 40 more goals than anyone else in the league and set a new points record), and am now starting out in League One.

I have, of course, attempted to copy the Scott Brown lust-for-youth model, and in doing so have found what looks so far to be an absolutely amazing prospect. He's only 15 and already better (or at least better-rated) than most of my squad. According to my assistant manager he should be my first choice attacking midfielder. But I remember reading once that putting players that young on your senior squad is a bad idea and can actually hurt their development. Naturally I am terrified of the possibility of messing up this kid's development. Tell me, O God-King of Wales, what should I do?

15? Give him the occasional sub game, for the love of God don't start playing him all the time until he is 17-18.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
Yeah, at 15 he should be played sparingly, no more than 10 times a year max, and less than 4 of those should be starts.

At 17 years old it's safer to stick below 20-25 games. If he's performing well and seems to be rapidly improving at that point, then you can start giving him a full time role in the team.

Sneaky Fast
Apr 24, 2013

Does their potential get stunted if you play a 15 yr old too much?

Dreamsicle
Oct 16, 2013

So if I do manage to win the contest, what requests are off limits? I currently have 4 possible ones to go with and they will alter the narrative.

A Tartan Tory
Mar 26, 2010

You call that a shotgun?!

Sneaky Fast posted:

Does their potential get stunted if you play a 15 yr old too much?

It screws with their stat development yeah.

Preid
May 22, 2014
Wow, those refs are really trying their damnedest to screw you over, hu? Does complaining about it post-game ever actually accomplish anything?

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Preid posted:

Wow, those refs are really trying their damnedest to screw you over, hu? Does complaining about it post-game ever actually accomplish anything?

I honestly don't know. I'm guessing that it can in that it makes the refs more likely to treat you well, but I also know that when you complain about things they got right you can get fined and suspended. It speaks well of my temperament that I haven't gotten a sideline ban yet and had to let my rear end Man take over. Also, Howard Webb is a noted fuckstick who refs in the real life English Premier League. That he's terrible at his job in the game is no shock.

Sneaky Fast posted:

Does their potential get stunted if you play a 15 yr old too much?

Yeah, they suffer from burnout and then you have a 18 year old with lovely stats and little potential left to grow instead of an 18 year old with great stats and tons of room to grow.

Dreamsicle posted:

So if I do manage to win the contest, what requests are off limits? I currently have 4 possible ones to go with and they will alter the narrative.

The main thing I'd go with when thinking about what you request (if you win) is to consider the impact on the game world at large. For example, destroying Man United by having them sell all their players and replace them with Conference Regional quality players for a year and getting them relegated? Not going to be acceptable. Asking for a team to be given a sugar daddy AND a roster full of brand new 20 in all attributes characters? Not going to happen. Firing me? That would be pretty hilarious, but I'm not going to build another team up to Wrexham's level in this game unless I get good and honestly fired either ingame or by the votes of the goons, it's already been half a year's work and we're only just now going to start racking up major trophies.

The Sandman
Jun 23, 2013

Okay!

So, I've, like, designed a really sweet attack plan that I'm calling Attack Plan Ded Moroz, like "Deadmau5!"

WUB!
Does the game have a historical database as well?

It could be amusing to create an all-star team by picking the best players of all time and then having them roam the world demolishing lesser teams like a soccer equivalent of the memetic Harlem Globetrotters.

The Mattybee
Sep 15, 2007

despair.
I feel bad hoping for Wrexham to slow down its goal rate here, but man I really want to win because I have some pretty great ideas.

Do we have to post the plan in the thread, or can we PM you with it? I want it to be a surprise (if I somehow pull this off)...

Sky Shadowing
Feb 13, 2012

At least we're not the Thalmor (yet)

The Sandman posted:

Does the game have a historical database as well?

It could be amusing to create an all-star team by picking the best players of all time and then having them roam the world demolishing lesser teams like a soccer equivalent of the memetic Harlem Globetrotters.

No, but I had great fun editing all the players on my teams to have max stats, watching them go undefeated through the leagues, and when they get poached giving them minimum stats. I did the same for the USA teams, gave guys max stats when the tourney started, and gave England all minimum stats.

Later games I made my way up legit.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
I alas do not have platinum membership, so I can't get PMs.

Dreamsicle
Oct 16, 2013

habeasdorkus posted:

I honestly don't know. I'm guessing that it can in that it makes the refs more likely to treat you well, but I also know that when you complain about things they got right you can get fined and suspended. It speaks well of my temperament that I haven't gotten a sideline ban yet and had to let my rear end Man take over. Also, Howard Webb is a noted fuckstick who refs in the real life English Premier League. That he's terrible at his job in the game is no shock.


Yeah, they suffer from burnout and then you have a 18 year old with lovely stats and little potential left to grow instead of an 18 year old with great stats and tons of room to grow.


The main thing I'd go with when thinking about what you request (if you win) is to consider the impact on the game world at large. For example, destroying Man United by having them sell all their players and replace them with Conference Regional quality players for a year and getting them relegated? Not going to be acceptable. Asking for a team to be given a sugar daddy AND a roster full of brand new 20 in all attributes characters? Not going to happen. Firing me? That would be pretty hilarious, but I'm not going to build another team up to Wrexham's level in this game unless I get good and honestly fired either ingame or by the votes of the goons, it's already been half a year's work and we're only just now going to start racking up major trophies.

Well my request's won't be that drastic but they would be fairly drastic.

It involves you on the international stage or the addition/return of 1-2 players.

I still don't know which National team I'd put you in, but I'll be running it too.

One Swell Foop
Aug 5, 2010

I'm afraid we have no time for codes and manners.

habeasdorkus posted:

I alas do not have platinum membership, so I can't get PMs.

That can be fixed. Do you have an email address that you can share on the forums, at least temporarily?

vvv Hey, get in line buddy!

One Swell Foop fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Jun 6, 2014

jerman999
Apr 26, 2006

This is a lex imperfecta

habeasdorkus posted:

I alas do not have platinum membership, so I can't get PMs.

I'll buy you plat. Post your email.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
OK, now I have platinum status. PM away if needed. :)

C. Everett Koop
Aug 18, 2008

Dreamsicle posted:

Well my request's won't be that drastic but they would be fairly drastic.

It involves you on the international stage or the addition/return of 1-2 players.

I still don't know which National team I'd put you in, but I'll be running it too.

Not :911:, not :canada:, not :mexico:, but :japan:. Coach Brown needs to lead glorious Nippon to international glory.

Dreamsicle
Oct 16, 2013

C. Everett Koop posted:

Not :911:, not :canada:, not :mexico:, but :japan:. Coach Brown needs to lead glorious Nippon to international glory.

Are they even playable?

James Peach
Dec 30, 2008

Dreamsicle posted:

Are they even playable?

Not without deleting certain files, apparently. Germany, China, South Korea, and Japan's national teams are all blocked in this fashion because of licensing issues.

Teddybear
May 16, 2009

Look! A teddybear doll!
It's soooo cute!


CoarsestGrate posted:

Not without deleting certain files, apparently. Germany, China, South Korea, and Japan's national teams are all blocked in this fashion because of licensing issues.

So you can't play as them, but they're still there, and their entry on whatever form to let you play is commented out or something?

Cityinthesea
Aug 7, 2009
I'm pretty sure he can play as them because he used fake players.

James Peach
Dec 30, 2008

Teddybear posted:

So you can't play as them, but they're still there, and their entry on whatever form to let you play is commented out or something?

As far as I can tell from a Google search, that's how it works. This was the top result.

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kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

Preid posted:

Wow, those refs are really trying their damnedest to screw you over, hu? Does complaining about it post-game ever actually accomplish anything?

I know in a previous version that a Referee was actually sacked after one game where I complained about him. If that's still in the game, it probably needs a referee with a low average rating to make a number of bad decisions.

On the question of giving young players game-time, my current game is in France and players can turn professional at 16, but you can't loan them out until they're 17. Rather than have them sat around doing nothing, I've been giving some of my more promising players a few sub appearances here and there. I've got one 15 y.o. Target Man whose attributes are skyrocketing at the moment. Once they get a bit older - 17, probably - I'll start letting them feature more often in the team if I think they're ready. One of my best prospects has made 29 appearances in all competitions this season (mostly from the bench) and I have a 17 year old keeper who has played 10 competitive games - including some in Europe - and has an average rating above 7. If they're good enough, they'll play.

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