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Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon
That's how acronyms are spelled when they are pronounced as a single word (see: Unesco, Unicef, Nato, etc...) as opposed to acronyms where every letter is spelled out (see: USA, UN, WWF, etc...)

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fuck off Batman
Oct 14, 2013

Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah!


Kurtofan posted:

That's how acronyms are spelled when they are pronounced as a single word (see: Unesco, Unicef, Nato, etc...) as opposed to acronyms where every letter is spelled out (see: USA, UN, WWF, etc...)

Now I don't get it.

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

Disco Infiva posted:

Read the article.

I thought it would be funny.

Count Roland
Oct 6, 2013

Kurtofan posted:

That's how acronyms are spelled when they are pronounced as a single word (see: Unesco, Unicef, Nato, etc...) as opposed to acronyms where every letter is spelled out (see: USA, UN, WWF, etc...)

Is that only for organizations? SCUBA, laser for two seem to defy this.

SaltyJesus
Jun 2, 2011

Arf!
The worst case of civilian deaths due to cluster bombs was in my hometown. (clicky here) Two of the cluster bombs fell smack in front of both my paternal and maternal grandparents' houses, which are on the opposite sides of the town. There is still a small dent in the middle of both streets. I remember both houses shredded by shrapnel. One shrapnel went through an iron gate, three wooden doors, and embedded itself deep in the bathroom tub. Next door to my paternal grandparents' house is a small hospital, the bomb that fell there killed a pregnant doctor lady. Shortly after the bombing I recall some kids brought one of the spent "Yellow Killers" to my school and showed it around until the teachers got wind of it and promptly lost their poo poo.

E: Politically loaded map because it doesn't show all areas hit. My maternal grandparents live in the leftmost red circle. My paternal grandparets live next to the rightmost vertical yellow street.

SaltyJesus fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Jun 4, 2014

fuck off Batman
Oct 14, 2013

Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah!


Count Roland posted:

Is that only for organizations? SCUBA, laser for two seem to defy this.

Yeah, it could be. I don't think I've ever seen NATO spelled Nato until now :shrug:

Muscle Tracer
Feb 23, 2007

Medals only weigh one down.

Count Roland posted:

Is that only for organizations? SCUBA, laser for two seem to defy this.

Also NASA. Also NATO and UNICEF and UNESCO both spell their names with all-caps on their own websites so I have no idea where that idea is coming from in the first place?

esquilax
Jan 3, 2003

Different papers use different style guides. No one's correct, no one's wrong. Only editors and spergs care

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

---FAGNER---
TEAM-MATE

SaltyJesus posted:

The worst case of civilian deaths due to cluster bombs was in my hometown. (clicky here) Two of the cluster bombs fell smack in front of both my paternal and maternal grandparents' houses, which are on the opposite sides of the town. There is still a small dent in the middle of both streets. I remember both houses shredded by shrapnel. One shrapnel went through an iron gate, three wooden doors, and embedded itself deep in the bathroom tub. Next door to my paternal grandparents' house is a small hospital, the bomb that fell there killed a pregnant doctor lady. Shortly after the bombing I recall some kids brought one of the spent "Yellow Killers" to my school and showed it around until the teachers got wind of it and promptly lost their poo poo.

The worst thing is that it will probably be decades until it is all cleared up. We had a WW2 bomb discovered in the neighboring town just last month, even though WW2 ended nearly 70 years ago.

That reminds me, the parts of Germany that are now part of Poland were surely bombed as well, are they still finding bombs there as well?

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

Muscle Tracer posted:

Also NASA. Also NATO and UNICEF and UNESCO both spell their names with all-caps on their own websites so I have no idea where that idea is coming from in the first place?

It's an alternative spelling. You can say NATO and Nato, but I don't think you can say Wwf, it'd be funny though :v:

fade5
May 31, 2012

by exmarx

Kurtofan posted:

That's how acronyms are spelled when they are pronounced as a single word (see: Unesco, Unicef, Nato, etc...) as opposed to acronyms where every letter is spelled out (see: USA, UN, WWF, etc...)
I've only ever seen it written as UNICEF or NATO, I've never seen "Nato" used before. Wikipedia seems to agree with me for both NATO and UNICEF.

Also, speaking of NATO:

Colored in blue are the states that were involved in implementing the no-fly zone over Libya in 2011.

Libya is colored in green. It's important to note this because 39% of the people in America who think that the 2012 Benghazi consulate attack is the biggest political scandal in American history (Read: Republicans) don't know that Benghazi is in Libya, and probably couldn't find Libya on a map if they tried.:suicide:

fade5 fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Jun 4, 2014

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

esquilax posted:

Different papers use different style guides. No one's correct, no one's wrong. Only editors and spergs care
Since the introduction of Nato happened at the same time as the standards of our newspapers here in Denmark dropped precipitously, I'll continue to view it as an abomination. More so because it obscures the fact that it's an acronym, which I'm honestly not sure all the journalists even know.

Riso
Oct 11, 2008

by merry exmarx

Torrannor posted:


That reminds me, the parts of Germany that are now part of Poland were surely bombed as well, are they still finding bombs there as well?

Most of the region wasn't in bomber range until late in the war, and besides it's not as juicy a target.

quote:

in American history ... don't know that Benghazi is in Libya, and probably couldn't find Libya on a map if they tried

Expected geographical knowledge of Americans then. Nothing to see here, move along.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Torrannor posted:

That reminds me, the parts of Germany that are now part of Poland were surely bombed as well, are they still finding bombs there as well?

Yup, and they are still making periodical searches in known hazard areas. Though I have no idea how much of the found ordnance comes from aerial bombing and how much is artillery shells and land mines.

Deep State of Mind
Jul 30, 2006

"It was a busy day. I do not remember it all. In the morning, I thought I had lost my wallet. Then we went swimming and either overthrew a government or started a pro-American radio station. I can't really remember."
Fun Shoe
I'm increasingly skeptical that anyone anywhere can find anyplace on a map, thanks to published statistics.

Why can't everyone get as much joy out of staring at maps as I do?

TheImmigrant
Jan 18, 2011

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Since the introduction of Nato happened at the same time as the standards of our newspapers here in Denmark dropped precipitously, I'll continue to view it as an abomination. More so because it obscures the fact that it's an acronym, which I'm honestly not sure all the journalists even know.

Acronyms usually are spelled in all caps in English, regardless of how they are pronounced. In French and Spanish, only the first letter is capitalized.

TheImmigrant
Jan 18, 2011

Bloodnose posted:

I'm increasingly skeptical that anyone anywhere can find anyplace on a map, thanks to published statistics.

Why can't everyone get as much joy out of staring at maps as I do?

I can lose myself for hours in a maproom.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

TheImmigrant posted:

Acronyms usually are spelled in all caps in English, regardless of how they are pronounced. In French and Spanish, only the first letter is capitalized.
I suppose it's possible that all our new journalists are Frenchmen writing under assumed names. Would explain why their writing sometimes seems like it came out of Google translate.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

TheImmigrant posted:

Acronyms usually are spelled in all caps in English, regardless of how they are pronounced. In French and Spanish, only the first letter is capitalized.

I guess that's why I'm not bothered by it. Still, I've read that it was an accepted alternative to ALL CAPS.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

TheImmigrant posted:

Acronyms usually are spelled in all caps in English, regardless of how they are pronounced.

Laser, radar, modem.

(Yes I know radar and modem aren't acronyms so shoot me :shrug:)

Badger of Basra
Jul 26, 2007

Kurtofan posted:

I guess that's why I'm not bothered by it. Still, I've read that it was an accepted alternative to ALL CAPS.

The Guardian does it your way, I always assumed it was a British thing.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Jerry Cotton posted:

Laser, radar, modem.

(Yes I know radar and modem aren't acronyms so shoot me :shrug:)

The best one is Lidar. It totally could be Light Detection and Ranging, but really they just stuck the words Light and Radar together to make something that sounded cool.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Jerry Cotton posted:

Laser, radar, modem.

(Yes I know radar and modem aren't acronyms so shoot me :shrug:)
They aren't? Though I would argue that acronyms such as laser are quite different from acronyms such as NATO, due to the simple fact that one is just an acronym for a common noun, while NATO refers to a single specific organization. If the latter is genericised, so that any kind of defensive organization of that kind is called a nato, then I suppose it would be fine to me too.

Llamadeus
Dec 20, 2005
The Nato thing is a house style thing, and I think every major UK newspaper does it.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Do Brits really pronounce it "you-kip"?

Rumda
Nov 4, 2009

Moth Lesbian Comrade

PittTheElder posted:

Do Brits really pronounce it "you-kip"?

When we don't pronounce it 'Racist cunts lead by a frog faced bastard'

lonelywurm
Aug 10, 2009
They are. There are many different types of acronyms, radar and modem are just ones composed of more than simply the initial letter of the component words/phrase.

Golbez
Oct 9, 2002

1 2 3!
If you want to take a shot at me get in line, line
1 2 3!
Baby, I've had all my shots and I'm fine

Carbon dioxide posted:

Speaking of territory reforms...



The left map shows the current 12 provinces of the Netherlands.
The right map shows a proposed plan by the current national government to fuse some provinces into "regions" or whatever they want to name them.

Looks like the only one getting split is Flevoland... I guess I can see why, since the two aren't contiguous except by one bridge but that's still a little weird.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Backweb posted:

Farecoal posted:


I'm curious as to why they marked Lithuania as being occupied by Nazi Germany before Poland was occupied. Based on the size of Germany the map was likely made in the late 1930s, so whoever was making the map (I'm assuming a European due to the actual subject matter) shouldn't have gotten the Baltic region so screwed up.

No no, look at the size of England. It's pretty obviously a 13th-Century map.

Frostwerks
Sep 24, 2007

by Lowtax

Bloodnose posted:

I'm increasingly skeptical that anyone anywhere can find anyplace on a map, thanks to published statistics.

Why can't everyone get as much joy out of staring at maps as I do?

I have spent more hours playing with google earth since discovering it in 06 than I have playing videogames. At least by myself anyway. And I was no slouch at geography prior to that either.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Torrannor posted:

What the gently caress NATO is the better question.

NATO exists to fight a hypothetical total war with a parity opponent so it makes sense that most members (:canada:) wouldnt be willing to fully take them off the table

made of bees
May 21, 2013
Found this on Wikipedia while looking for something else. The state of the world, c. 1000 BCE:



Yellow=hunter-gatherers, Purple=nomadic herders, Green=farmers, Orange=chiefdoms, Blue=formal states, Red line=areas with ironwork, Pink line=areas with bronzework

I know that what does and doesn't qualify as a 'state' is probably pretty subjective, but I never thought about how new the concept is in most of the world, relatively speaking. Three thousand years ago isn't generally thought of as like, the dawn of civilization. Writing, cities, organized religion, etc. had already been around for a while (admittedly mostly in those blue areas). Considering it's more or less universal now, it's weird to think how the entire concept of a state was entirely alien to the overwhelming majority of humanity at the time.

made of bees fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Jun 5, 2014

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

I know what "transhumant pastoralists" means but I have to admit that for a while I was a bit confused and thought that the map had placed Atlantis in Tibet :v:

TheImmigrant
Jan 18, 2011

Frostwerks posted:

I have spent more hours playing with google earth since discovering it in 06 than I have playing videogames. At least by myself anyway. And I was no slouch at geography prior to that either.

This map game will destroy your productivity for the next week, at least.

Blame the addiction on me.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Baloogan posted:

Cluster bombs are awesome.









I know you're a retarded GiP shitlord but can you at least agree they could maybe tighten up the reliability of them so they don't keep blowing up children 10 years after the conflict? Is that acceptable or is it something a socialist would say?

Mu Cow
Oct 26, 2003

TheImmigrant posted:

This map game will destroy your productivity for the next week, at least.

Blame the addiction on me.

What annoys me with this type of game:

"Random City, Switzerland", just click in the general vicinity of Switzerland and it's spot on.
"Random City, Russia", even if you have a good sense of where it might be, you'll still be off by several hundred kilometers.

Patter Song
Mar 26, 2010

Hereby it is manifest that during the time men live without a common power to keep them all in awe, they are in that condition which is called war; and such a war as is of every man against every man.
Fun Shoe

made of bees posted:

Found this on Wikipedia while looking for something else. The state of the world, c. 1000 BCE:



Yellow=hunter-gatherers, Purple=nomadic herders, Green=farmers, Orange=chiefdoms, Blue=formal states, Red line=areas with ironwork, Pink line=areas with bronzework

I know that what does and doesn't qualify as a 'state' is probably pretty subjective, but I never thought about how new the concept is in most of the world, relatively speaking. Three thousand years ago isn't generally thought of as like, the dawn of civilization. Writing, cities, organized religion, etc. had already been around for a while (admittedly mostly in those blue areas). Considering it's more or less universal now, it's weird to think how the entire concept of a state was entirely alien to the overwhelming majority of humanity at the time.

If you fast-forwarded to 500 BCE you'd see an explosion of expansion of blue on that map, especially in the Mediterranean/North Africa, parts of India, and China.

TheImmigrant
Jan 18, 2011

Mu Cow posted:

What annoys me with this type of game:

"Random City, Switzerland", just click in the general vicinity of Switzerland and it's spot on.
"Random City, Russia", even if you have a good sense of where it might be, you'll still be off by several hundred kilometers.

That's why I like it. It's a deeper test than merely asking to locate a country.

Torrannor
Apr 27, 2013

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gently caress you, stupid game. You really expect me to find cities on islands not even marked on the drat map!?

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Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

Torrannor posted:

gently caress you, stupid game. You really expect me to find cities on islands not even marked on the drat map!?

I got Fort-de-France right on the money :smug:

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