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ewe2 posted:Someone made the claim in the last week that in fact this is normal behaviour for enrolments but they pick up again, the example given was a UK one and the drop and pickup from Howards 25pc hike in the 90's. Difficult to see how this will work this time because its not simply a fee hike its also interest on top. It will happen exactly the same way. Enrolments will drop initially from people "disgusted" by the changes, but will pick back up again from people either oblivious to the changes or from people twigging that it's still not any easier to "get ahead" without a degree.
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Les Affaires posted:It will happen exactly the same way. Enrolments will drop initially from people "disgusted" by the changes, but will pick back up again from people either oblivious to the changes or from people twigging that it's still not any easier to "get ahead" without a degree. Yeah, the fact is that they can do whatever the gently caress they want on this one, and it won't make a difference because no increase will be enough to outstrip the value of actually getting a degree.
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Cleretic posted:Yeah, the fact is that they can do whatever the gently caress they want on this one, and it won't make a difference because no increase will be enough to outstrip the value of actually getting a degree. Pret-ty much. Having a degree will still provide a decent income differential compared to not having one, however over time we might find the benefit of the degree is degraded because of the amount of interest paid on a much larger debt. And as mentioned before, a larger debt forces professionals to charge more for their services, meaning those on benefits will ultimately lose out due to wage inflation. Sorry baby boomers.
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Well 7:30 was pretty flat. Turnbull throws off any leadership aspirations (but think of the cushy jobs your mates would get if you were PM!) , mulls a bit over whether Abbott was actually mad enough to order Bolt and Jones to attack him while away, and is glad to see the ABC audit is working via cheap mugs.
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sidviscous posted:International transit is significantly cheaper than either last mile access (by and large a regulated monopoly) or exchange backhaul (in areas without competitive backhaul options - of which there are still many). Most non p2p traffic is already locally served from CDNs like Akamai and friends. Bit late but this. The cost of internet in Australia is so high because when ADSL became a thing Telstra had just finished their dial up network and wanted to recoup thier money from that build. So they priced adsl high and introduced "data caps" to keep dial up the much cheaper option for longer. Then some twit privatised the infrastructure along with the sales business creating a monopoly and ADSL prices stayed high with the excuse "people are willing to pay 100 bucks a month so that's what it is worth." Even though as the only wholesale carrier at the time there was no other place to turn. This is about the same as a loanshark saying "this guy who owes me money cannot give it right now so he must want me to break his legs" Also from memory there is a 1tbs pacific cable going in as we speak with plans for more. Continental communications aint no thing. P.S Hypation, quit reinforcing the mantra of "those who can't, teach."
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Someone with better photoshop skills than I ought to make the necessary adjustments to this picture http://imgur.com/KPkZP6i
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quote:The public undermining of Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull and questions over his loyalty to Tony Abbott have been linked to expectations inside the Coalition that the Prime Minister is heading towards a ''mini-reshuffle'' of the ministry. Keep going down the rabbit hole.
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Lid posted:Keep going down the rabbit hole. This off the record stuff is such a tease, I WANT NAMES!!!
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Senor Tron posted:Abbott wouldn't dare shift Turnbull out of the front bench would he? It would help him consolidate his power and get some other lobotomized bozo to take up the spot. It would also mean that Turnball and the troops behind him potentially jumping ships at some point (Maybe even for PUP), or maybe I'm just a romantic hoping that something that ridiculous would lead to its obvious conclusions.
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Surely Abbott shifting Turnbull out of power would just risk Turnbull saying 'well gently caress it then' and going for the top spot.
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Nautilus42 posted:It would help him consolidate his power and get some other lobotomized bozo to take up the spot. It would also mean that Turnball and the troops behind him potentially jumping ships at some point (Maybe even for PUP), or maybe I'm just a romantic hoping that something that ridiculous would lead to its obvious conclusions. Seems like the type of thing that's a big gamble. There's a strong possibility that moving Turnbull off the front bench and out of the daily media focus would end the speculation. The fact that Abbott is doing so poorly though carries the possibility that it could make him look scared.
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adamantium|wang posted:
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Senor Tron posted:Seems like the type of thing that's a big gamble. To be honest, Abbott would keep Turnball to ensure Palmer would at least listen to the the Liberal party. It's the only thing keeping Abbott from being a total lame duck in the coming years. The irony of Bolt and Alan Jones criticizing the Libs for keeping Turnball will be wonderful
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Senor Tron posted:Abbott wouldn't dare shift Turnbull out of the front bench would he? Sacked former ministers don't even have to pretend to be loyal.
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Senor Tron posted:Seems like the type of thing that's a big gamble. It would also piss off considerably a lot of the 'moderate' Lib voters who will ask themselves why the gently caress are they still supporting this band of jackals.
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A reshuffle 9 months in isn't inherently unusual (especially with Sinodinos out of action), and there have been rumours about Johnston losing his spot for at least a month.
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Senor Tron posted:Abbott wouldn't dare shift Turnbull out of the front bench would he? It'd have to be done in a very calculating move, Abbott likely doesn't want to be seen publicly removing a minister, especially if it makes him look paranoid as a result of some polls - it would backfire and end Abbot through revolt. Problem is there's very little reason to directly remove Turnbull, perhaps ideologically; his support for the ETS and same-sex marriage. But he's not the only Liberal member who also supports these things so it'd be immensely petty. Turnbull has one of the largest pockets for the Libs funding (that's on official record) so he won't be tossed aside too fast. The sudden revelations of a dinner with Clive and a poll boon could mean this could be a cruel excuse for a test of character by testing his allegiance to see if he will crack. Plus there's the carrot on a stick of returning to leadership, so they want to see if he'll grab the bait early. It's a two pronged attack where the only possible safe move is to dodge. I wonder if Pyne is creeping about exacting revenge. No doubt we'll be reminded of the OzCar affair that sunk Turnbull in the first place. I'm sure Bolt and Jones are comparing notes. Abbott and his CoS being away makes it harder to easily point a finger, but having leadership speculation questions in the middle of a high profile tour which could rattle Abbott, or provide him with an international stage to publicly warn Turnbull. Given we have a PM who's just been ridiculed in the international press this could be a cunning plan to (somehow) show he's not an idiot. But Turnbull is proving pretty hard to crack and isn't taking any of the bullshit that's flying about, so a plan to discredit him could be seen as a way to make sure he doesn't poll higher than Abbott and keep him quiet - if he passes, it's business as usual. Plan B: potentially finding an excuse to remove him of his portfolio as a way to create a sense of solidarity with Abbott and put some fear into the backbench - but that would be a very extreme measure, one where Turnbull cracks and openly criticizes Abbott's policies and the budget. Something he's not been opposed to in the past, which is why they're pressuring him as they know he's outspoken for the ETS and same-sex. Turnbull knows something is up and will fight back. What this leads to is yet to be seen but there could be a situation where he figures out who is doing what and comes down hard enough to cause a spill. Or he realizes he's not getting any further in the party and becomes independent. But that also faces the possibility of blowing back into Abbott's face with a revolt and another battle to overthrow the leadership given there's a void. We all know who's been Pyne-ing for the fjords.
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I'm seriously worried about what's going to happen to my boomer parents in the next 10 - 20 years. Property is not sustainable. As millions of boomers try to dump housing for capital for retirement villages, and aged care, I don't see how the economy can take up the slack. Aged care is the investment opportunity of the future. The per-annum cost is going to rise very steeply, as aged care facilities and aged care workers become increasingly thin on the ground. Seriously - you can't lose. Investment in aged care will be underwritten by future governments, as their votes will depend on it. Retirees are the biggest voting bloc, and they (typically) don't give a poo poo about the rest society. I keep expecting the property bubble to burst any day, but it seems that the game of negatively-geared musical chairs will keep going to the bitter end. And the economy is increasingly based on this 'value' that doesn't produce anything. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. Am I wrong?
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Pudding Space posted:I'm seriously worried about what's going to happen to my boomer parents in the next 10 - 20 years. It will take another major international fiscal crisis before the property market in Australia bursts.
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Plotterboy posted:Bit late but this. The cost of internet in Australia is so high because when ADSL became a thing Telstra had just finished their dial up network and wanted to recoup thier money from that build. So they priced adsl high and introduced "data caps" to keep dial up the much cheaper option for longer. Then some twit privatised the infrastructure along with the sales business creating a monopoly and ADSL prices stayed high with the excuse "people are willing to pay 100 bucks a month so that's what it is worth." Even though as the only wholesale carrier at the time there was no other place to turn. This is about the same as a loanshark saying "this guy who owes me money cannot give it right now so he must want me to break his legs" It's way, way more then 1 tbs. The last decade has seen Dense Wave Division Multiplexing advances result in a single wavelength going from 10Gbps to 40G to 100Gbps all without laying a new cable, so Southern Cross and SEA-ME-WE-3 have been just strategically dropping prices to stop competition while upgrading their headend gear. Eventually people have gotten pissed at this, and four consortiums have all thrown their hat in the ring. It's unlikely all will come in service, but depending on a certain amount of bloodletting, at very least we should get one new link on each side of the country) * Australia - Singapore (Perth-Jakarta-Singapore) is underway and might come in service this year (2ish years late), with 6.4 Tbps (1 fibre pair x 120 color x 100 Gbps) * APX West (Perth-Jakarta-Singapore) is going for 2015 for a maximum of 20 Tbps (2 fibre pairs x 80 color x 100 Gbps / wavelength) * APX East (Sydney-Auckland-Hawaii-Los Angeles) will be of course the other half, also about 20 Tbps (2 fibre pairs x 80 wavelength x 100 Gbps / color) * Tasman Global Access (Sydney-New Zealand) will supposedly be 30 Tbps, I think contracts on that got signed last week, but I can't see anything formal on it. * Hawaiki in New Zealand is working towards a 2016 launch of 6.4 Tbps (64x100G colors) but with the interesting idea of drop points in Sydney, Auckland, Norfolk Island, New Caledonia, Wallis Island, Fiji, American Samoa, Hawaii and the US. Will prices for the consumer drop ? Probably not. A lot of this is for companies who have been buying 10Gbps Private IP reserved channels on the cables.
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I talked my mum into selling her house now for 1.1 million or whatever because that's a poo poo load of money for essentially a stack of materials on a piece of stolen land. It's better than her being left with a lot less in the future because she is a good person who recently started voting greens after voting Labor all her life and being a life long Union member and going on strikes and poo poo. She's such a lefty it makes me proud. She's going to buy a much smaller place and save the rest for when poo poo goes to gently caress (money will probably be meaningless then as flayed human flesh will be the most sought after currency) The cognitive dissonance involved in doing this almost killed me though. Profiteering off an intangible, valueless Ponzi scheme set up to benifit merchant bankers and a single generation that has turned out to be the most selfish, myopic generation from recent history. I'm sorry that I'm part of the problem 
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i got banned posted:Profiteering off an intangible, valueless Ponzi scheme set up to benifit merchant bankers and a single generation that has turned out to be the most selfish, myopic generation from recent history.  For those interested you can read Progress and poverty by Henery George here: http://www.henrygeorge.org/pdfs/PandP_Drake.pdf Where he discusses how hosed profiting of increasing land value has always been. The baby boomers are just one of the last links in a long chain of exploitative poo poo. Probably preaching to the converted, but yeah Henry George had some pretty  ideas.
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SoooooooooSMH posted:The public undermining of Communications Minister Malcolm Turnbull and questions over his loyalty to Tony Abbott have been linked to expectations inside the Coalition that the Prime Minister is heading towards a ''mini-reshuffle'' of the ministry.
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Sir Coq of Nandos posted:Sooooooooo Do you have a link to the Monday knifing part? Cant seem to Google it
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Sure do! http://shrturl.co/FW0mJ
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WebDog posted:But he's not the only Liberal member who also supports these things so it'd be immensely petty. So next week then? Sir Coq of Nandos posted:LEADERSHIT 
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Ler posted:Do you have a link to the Monday knifing part? Cant seem to Google it Knifing? I think you mean orderly succession 
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I have a feeling this is fake.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:I have a feeling this is fake. Yeah. quote:This is a SHRTURL hoax page. Viewed 703 times in 5 hours.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:I have a feeling this is fake. It certainly is, time on the top bar is wrong
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Honestly dont know what to think. Labor set the precedent, LNP complained a bunch, but who doesnt expect to see them doing something hypocritical?
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Send that page to Bolt and Jones, ta.
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Welllllpquote:Statement says Jackson knew about graft claims for a decade
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adamantium|wang posted:Yeah. Whoops, just confirmed with the creator. On the other hand though, what does this mean for Malcolm Turnbull's leadership ambitions?
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Pope I got all excited for a bit there
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Sir Coq of Nandos posted:Whoops, just confirmed with the creator. We're still within the window of Bob Ellis' prediction, right?
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Thank you for raising my hopes and then dashing them auspol
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