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Just wanna say I was laming it out with Elena a full day before JWong used her (but I'm totally stealing most of the stuff he used  ).Was there a huge player/viewer bump like this for the AE2012 update? EDIT vvvvvv D'oh. Shows what I know. Did that side tourney get 15K viewers though? vvvvvv Static Rook fucked around with this message at 13:18 on Jun 5, 2014 |
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JWong used her in prerelease, dude, even winning the USF4 side tournament at UFGTX with her. Also, repost for the new page, Kazunoko is playing Decapre: http://www.twitch.tv/godsgarden
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Jun 5, 2014 10:49
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Static Rook posted:vvvvvv D'oh. Shows what I know. Did that side tourney get 15K viewers though? vvvvvv
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Jun 5, 2014 14:30
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TaurusOxford posted:We already have the best USF4 moment that will ever happen: How many hits of armor does EX Meat Squasher have? Also is Maximillian capable of using words that aren't superlatives?
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Jun 5, 2014 15:35
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Nativity In Black posted:How many hits of armor does EX Meat Squasher have? According to people last night, it has literally infinite armor until just before the EX hits.
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Jun 5, 2014 15:47
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Lets buff Rufus because Eg uses him and they're an E sports company and nerf guile/Sagat the 2 main characters the 2 main members of Empire Arcadia use (Sanford/Dieminion). Lets buff Dudley because we like Smug and his highlight vids and lets buff Abel because we like Rico. Yay.....
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Jun 5, 2014 22:07
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Really good game.
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HoneyBoy posted:Really good game. Between this image and the video someone posted earlier, I still don't get it. The video seemed to take place in practice mode, so I am not sure what it had to do with anything? Is it some kind of exploit to use a character 3x in normal play? How is it relevant since no tourney would ever allow it anyway? Or is it because people online are doing it more often? With regards to nerfs, I will never understand why devs nerf characters and then buff others, instead of just buffing characters. Unless a character is straight broken, I don't see why you would nerf it. This applies to any game where balancing is a thing.
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What's there to get? It's a funny thing in a silly game that obviously would not be allowed in any sort of competitive environment. Yes, it lets you select multiples of the same character by editing the team preset file or something. It's popping up now because it was just discovered within the past few days.
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quote:With regards to nerfs, I will never understand why devs nerf characters and then buff others, instead of just buffing characters. Unless a character is straight broken, I don't see why you would nerf it. This applies to any game where balancing is a thing. If you nerf every character the game becomes more about system mechanics, if you buff every character it becomes more about character-specific intricacies and matchups (the limiting case being hard-read-into-touch-of-death characters like ST Hawk). Presumably developers want to keep a balance. edit: quote:Lets buff Rufus because Eg uses him and they're an E sports company and nerf guile/Sagat the 2 main characters the 2 main members of Empire Arcadia use (Sanford/Dieminion). Lets buff Dudley because we like Smug and his highlight vids and lets buff Abel because we like Rico. Yay..... Redmark fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jun 5, 2014 |
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Jun 5, 2014 22:58
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New York, literally the only place in the world that matters when it comes to balancing SFIV
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AnonSpore posted:New York, literally the only place in the world that matters when it comes to balancing SFIV Combofiend was secretly east coast all these years, greatest plot twist ever.
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If you don't want to see more games like Zeus' Vega vs. Sabins' Dhalsim, you've actually hated good fighting games all along.
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ToastyPotato posted:Between this image and the video someone posted earlier, I still don't get it. The video seemed to take place in practice mode, so I am not sure what it had to do with anything? Is it some kind of exploit to use a character 3x in normal play? How is it relevant since no tourney would ever allow it anyway? Or is it because people online are doing it more often? ToastyPotato posted:With regards to nerfs, I will never understand why devs nerf characters and then buff others, instead of just buffing characters. Unless a character is straight broken, I don't see why you would nerf it. This applies to any game where balancing is a thing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feature_creep
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MrXmas posted:It's probably pretty annoying if you're trying to get some actual games online. you meant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_creep but it's definitely possible to nerf too much and end up with a game where nothing is fun
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there is a myriad of other reasons other than power creep: *anti-fustration design, where you nerf somthing that may or may not be powerful, is extremely frustrating to fight, which causes fast low end player drop off. if you remember in skullgirls mike z didnt want to nerf that one assist or whatever because it was balanced, it was loving obnoxious nad no one liked playing against it. nerfint these things has a direct influence on your playerbases' numbers. *making room for a buff. also called "burfing" (lol) where you nerf something on a character so you can give them a buff. usually in this case the buff is supposed to end in a more fun experience of the character being burfed. like, if you nerf the frame advantage on a certain move so you can give a character a powerful new tool that would otherwise cause an imbalanced situations if the nerf didnt go throgh. *nerfing localized power that causes imbalances that only affect a situation. for example, if x character has y button that absolutely destroys z charcter, but is otherwise useless or of marginal power in other matchups, and x character has a 7-3 matchup vs z character, this is one of the easiest ways to balance a game. *purifying design: sometimes a character doesnt fit the design you had in mind, and a tool just sort "doesnt work". like if you gave dhalsim a move that makes him move forawrd and is +0 on block, thatd be cool, but it makes more sense on rufus or something. sometimes these sorts of power levels can muddy a characters intent and playstyle to the point where players get "married" to something that shouldnt be there in the first place. *that character needs a nerf. maybe they do. maybe they're op and its faster to just nerf a dude than buff 40 other dudes. this happens.
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i hope you enjoyed that washed up design barf of some old idiot
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http://www.twitch.tv/deadly_bison is streaming some Ultra from the Arena in Long Island. I dunno if LI Joe is there or not.
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canoshiz posted:What's there to get? It's a funny thing in a silly game that obviously would not be allowed in any sort of competitive environment. Yes, it lets you select multiples of the same character by editing the team preset file or something. It's popping up now because it was just discovered within the past few days. Also Galactus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdDmO04412o
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LOU BEGAS MUSTACHE posted:i hope you enjoyed that washed up design barf of some old idiot 
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I'm surprised that even works but holy poo poo. ...What happens if Galactus v Galactus occurs?
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The best part is that this actually buffs Galactus, since the game can't handle him doing a Team Hyper Combo, so the opponent freezes, Galactus' finger lasers freeze, then when the animations finish, all of them stack and go off, getting their 200+ hits on the opponent simultaneously for essentially an OHKO.
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LOU BEGAS MUSTACHE posted:i hope you enjoyed that washed up design barf of some old idiot it owned, please post more, you're a pretty cool guy.
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also depending on how you balance a game, nerfing downward can be far more predictable than nerfing upward when the power is focused in less variables. similar to "sometimes they need a nerf", when balancing a game lets say you're playing a game with 2 S tier character 1 A tier character 2 B tier characters 5 C tier characters 6 D tier characters naturally you're gonna go "well buff everyone up, its obvious", but when the power is so condensed upward, you have to change less variables (nerfing 3 characters condenses 3 whole tiers of power, while buffing 6 condenses 1). every time you make a game balance change, you can't predict every effect it will have on gameplay, as much as any person on the internet will tell you how great their design choices are. because of this, you can create a lot of chaos because the more variables you change, the less your predicted outcome of a design is, so nerfing downward in that scenario will create a more predictable atmosphere that is easier to control. for every change you make, there will be unintended outcomes, and if those unintended outcomes interact with other changes, your predictions will be even less accurate, and if unpredicted outcomes also interact with unpredicted outcomes, there's almost zero accounting for the actual result. this can be especially chaotic in buffs because you're not only dealing with "well now character x loses y tool vs z" you now have to deal with "now character x has y tool that didnt exist before because these two interactions never created z in the first place, and z now trashes q character, who we didnt change mucbecause they were A tier".
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what im saying is balancing video games is literally voodoo
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Stop trying to balance videogames just put out something fun and hope it sticks.
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Brett824 posted:Stop trying to balance videogames just put out something fun and hope it sticks. or you could do both like someone competent, but nevermind that, brett824 is weighing in with his valued opinion on video games here
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http://www.twitch.tv/iebattlegrounds has arcade 3rd Strike from Super Arcade tonight.
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Sanford officially on hunger strike. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_YU_T_MecY
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Brett824 posted:Stop trying to balance videogames just put out something fun and hope it sticks. worked for marvel 2
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Parallax Scroll posted:worked for marvel 2 For all the poo poo people talk, Marvel 2 was a mechanically balanced game (with poor overall character balance and pretty decent intra-tier balance). It was a bit of a hackjob, but a lot of work was put into the game to prevent pretty much all the stupid bullshit that plagued the Vs. series up until that point, even if some of that work resulted in more stupid bullshit like guard breaks.
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I'm at the CT New Challengers tournament today, Dieminion is here along with Team PIE Smug and Zeus. Stream should be up soon- twitch.tv/newchallengers
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Reminder that Curleh Mustache 10: Southern Edition is today also. It starts at 2pm CST and while I can't find a stream listing I'm gonna take a guess it'll be on teamsp00ky.
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Elephant Ambush posted:Reminder that Curleh Mustache 10: Southern Edition is today also. It starts at 2pm CST and while I can't find a stream listing I'm gonna take a guess it'll be on teamsp00ky. Yes, I believe Spooky mentioned it during NLBC. I'm pumped! I love the Curleh events!
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Whoah, Valle is in New York? Hopefully that means a lot more west coast players are there besides EG.
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Curleh stream is live: http://www.twitch.tv/teamsp00ky
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Apparently Sanford's salt has reached critical levels. He tweeted recently that he's not participating in the King of New York league. e:https://twitter.com/SanfordKelly/status/475307887200186368
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Valle is playing Rufus? What the gently caress?? edit: Oh, they switched the names somehow in the last round.
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Elephant Ambush posted:What a baby. Apparently he's had to go to the hospital. Like, Smug joked about stealing Sanford's food money but apparently Sanford is actually malnourished now.
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