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Mr Interweb posted:Sorry, but to quickly go off topic, I have a question. The voter ID thing is just a token talking point for uninformed voters to deflect accusations of racism. Nobody actually engaged in politics has any pretense about these laws serving any purpose but to lower the voting numbers of racial minorities and working poor. Nobody voting in favor of these things genuinely believes they are combating voter fraud. It's just another example of a "these liberals are so dumb they'll believe anything" wink wink strategies that nobody is actually fooled by except people who don't give a poo poo in the first place. The phrasing is far more to bypass legal restrictions on this bullshit than an effort to seriously convince anyone that it's for the greater good.
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Axetrain posted:Yeah I mean it literally doesn't matter what happens anymore since any event that occurs will be both bad and Obama's fault. If he cured cancer tomorrow they would find some way to pass and moan about it, no exaggeration at all. Why won't anyone think of the poor cancer therapy companies?  edit radical meme posted:Cost savings, it saves the funds they would have to pay for the service. Unless Gov Christie doesn't want to have his reelection the same day as Booker's special election, then it's ok to spend millions of dollars on another day of voting. Sir Tonk fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Jun 6, 2014 |
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Jun 6, 2014 05:09
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Cnn just had a veteran of the Bay of Pigs Invasion on tv talking about how the vast majority of Cubans were anticommunist. Was that true?
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Jun 6, 2014 05:17
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Miltank posted:Cnn just had a veteran of the Bay of Pigs Invasion on tv talking about how the vast majority of Cubans were anticommunist. Was that true? Do you think someone like this is unbiased?
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Axetrain posted:If he cured cancer tomorrow they would find some way to pass and moan about it, no exaggeration at all. Look friends, here's just another example of liberal hypocrisy: The Democrats, the left in this country, the liberals - they'll tell you they're conservationists. "You can't drill oil here, you'll make the bears sad! You can't graze here, the cows might step on the - step on the endangered turtles!" But as soon as, but the second that Obama discovered that hyper-gamma wave particle what did he do? WHAT DID HE DO? He made cancer extinct. Genocide, friends.
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Jun 6, 2014 05:42
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Miltank posted:Cnn just had a veteran of the Bay of Pigs Invasion on tv talking about how the vast majority of Cubans were anticommunist. Was that true? Depends on where in Cuba we're talking about. The people in the countryside were primarily pro-communist because they were the ones being hosed over the most by the Batista government and landowners. There was a lot of resentment towards the city-dwellers, who the people in rural areas viewed as decadent. Within the cities, Havana primarily, there was more support of the Batista government. But this was more out of economic interest than genuine support. This is just my take from the situation from study. A lot of the anticommunist Cubans fled the island when Batista was ousted. It would be the wealthy landed elites that would be the agitators for and backers of the failed attempt to retake Cuba with the support of the United States in the Bay of Pigs.
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Jun 6, 2014 05:46
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Any good books on the Bay of Pigs invasion?
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Jun 6, 2014 05:48
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Havana Nocturne is a good book about the mob and its relationship with Cuba. It really illustrated just how much the American mafia ran the country, or at least Havana, while leaving the rest of the country to Batista to take care of.
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Jun 6, 2014 05:52
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Axetrain posted:Yeah I mean it literally doesn't matter what happens anymore since any event that occurs will be both bad and Obama's fault. If he cured cancer tomorrow they would find some way to pass and moan about it, no exaggeration at all. "Everybody knows cancer can already be completely prevented by not getting vaccinations and eating a paleo diet. OBONGO is just pushing the agenda of Big Science and Big Pharma and rewarding people for not taking care of themselves!"
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Jun 6, 2014 06:20
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AsInHowe posted:The long-term impact of Bowe Bergdahl is probably going to be more and more military turning against the Republican party, and conservatives being utterly confused as to why. Just like how women are turning against the Republican party, or young people, or anyone darker than 'Klan member in winter'. And conservatives will be utterly confused as to why. I work with Marines and they are all buying the GOP narrative.
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Jun 6, 2014 06:25
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Obama's cancer cure will be used by terrorists to cure cancer and continue fighting America. Cancer should not be cured. e: can someone please photoshop the pants on the ground donkey onto the cover of Limbaugh's anime book tia
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Jun 6, 2014 06:28
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Mr Interweb posted:Does McCain think that if they were held for an extra year they would suddenly stop wanting to kill Americans? He just doesn't want anyone to meddle with the important work being done at
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Jun 6, 2014 06:30
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baw posted:I work with Marines and they are all buying the GOP narrative. Better hope they don't get captured while a Democrat is in office, or they can look forward to years of Republicans delaying their return to score political points and getting slandered and shat on for their homecoming should the President succeed!
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ProperGanderPusher posted:"Everybody knows cancer can already be completely prevented by not getting vaccinations and eating a paleo diet. OBONGO is just pushing the agenda of Big Science and Big Pharma and rewarding people for not taking care of themselves!" I think that's what they would say. Health, income, and a host of other weird things are all deeply moral issues for a lot of conservatives. They literally say, "Being rich is proof you're living more successfully than other people! Income equality would reward people for living 'improper' lifestyles." Look at all their rhetoric about HIV. I can guarantee that if Obama devised a cure for lung cancer they would campaign against it because "cancer is nature's really delayed and indirect way of telling you not to smoke."
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baw posted:I work with Marines and they are all buying the GOP narrative. Good thing the entire United States military isn't the marines.
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ErIog posted:I think that's what they would say. Health, income, and a host of other weird things are all deeply moral issues for a lot of conservatives. They literally say, "Being rich is proof you're living more successfully than other people! Income equality would reward people for living 'improper' lifestyles." Look at all their rhetoric about HIV. Cure for viral STD's will just have to come from some other country, because god knows the politicians in this one would order the samples destroyed and the researchers shot. They don't really believe in the market, or they wouldn't be so fond of artificial scarcity. They are the party of pain and poverty, because their ideas are thousands of years old no matter who makes their suits.
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ProperGanderPusher posted:"Everybody knows cancer can already be completely prevented by not getting vaccinations and eating a paleo diet. OBONGO is just pushing the agenda of Big Science and Big Pharma and rewarding people for not taking care of themselves!" This literally already happens Linda Harvery posted:HIV has been treated with anti-retroviral drug therapy (trade name Truvada) since the mid-1990s to keep those who test positive from developing full-blown AIDS. Now, a lower dose will be given to those who are don’t yet test positive but are at high risk for contracting HIV. This new regime is called “PrEP,”which stands for “pre-exposure prophylaxis.” Whoa whoa, preventing HIV? That's a "promiscuity pill" because fear of STD's is how we scare kids away from having sex, which they shouldn't be having because sex is how you get STD's! Bonus: apparently it's not poverty or desperation that pushes people into sex work, it's condoms! quote:And the joke is on us, the adults, because we are sacrificing our precious children as a result. Especially at risk from a protocol like PrEP are young minority homosexual males, since they now contract HIV at a disproportionately higher rate. Some of these kids, let’s face it, are prostituting their bodies for money and/or drugs, and little is being done to stop it except hand them condoms. Many on the left support their conduct and call it “sex work,” kind of like having a summer job.
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The amount of bullshit arguments against PrEP is insane. It's a full-frontal assault from people like Linda Harvery to the LGBT community as a whole, when studies have shown that not only is PrEP 99% effective, but most people who take it are still using condoms and the like. But a lot of it comes from just general slut-shaming and bashing anyone who dares be promiscuous in the Year of Our Lord 2014. I like that her answer is "never ever have sex." Because that has definitely had a significant impact on any generation of youth. Ubiquitous_ fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Jun 6, 2014 |
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Jun 6, 2014 07:55
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I love her argument against condoms from the same article.A loving Idiot posted:The reality is that teens, many of whom are undependable about basics like showing up for school or wearing seatbelts, are never going to use a condom “consistently and correctly” when sneaking around to have sex they shouldn’t be having. This was a recipe for disaster from the get-go. Teens are so focused on sneaking around to get that illicit sex and so irresponsible that they can't be assed to use condoms reliably when they're all excited about getting to the sex. So since dumb teenagers are so sex-obsessed that don't care whether they put on a condom, obviously if we take away the condoms then they'll just stop having sex! Also teens will just blow off an adult that tells them to put on a condom, so just tell them not to have sex instead, that's the ticket to getting them to listen! VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 08:13 on Jun 6, 2014 |
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Jun 6, 2014 08:08
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Conservatives should never talk about sex ever. Lest people remember that a pillar of the conservative movement is the support of the individual right to become viscerally enraged at the thought of anyone having sex who isn't you. Their children know more about sex at fourteen than they do at forty.
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Jun 6, 2014 08:24
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If Obama personally cured cancer tomorrow, right wing media would be complaining about how he's not doing HIS JOB as the president and how the economy still sucks.
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Mercury_Storm posted:If Obama personally cured cancer tomorrow, right wing media would be complaining about how he's not doing HIS JOB as the president and how the economy still sucks. great now those enemies of america that cancer WOULD have cured will live on to terrorize us...
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Jun 6, 2014 08:58
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All those jobs created by insurance companies and cancer treatment centers, forever destroyed - drat YOU OBUMMERRRR.
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Jun 6, 2014 09:26
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I've lost the ability to make fun of right wing media because of the fact that there are so many people who still take them seriously after they said that we should not have traded for a POW because Obama did it. I just don't have any more jokes to say. Every onion article about the GOP is coming true and irony is dead forever. They stole irony from me and I don't know what's real any more.
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Mercury_Storm posted:If Obama personally cured cancer tomorrow, right wing media would be complaining about how he's not doing HIS JOB as the president and how the economy still sucks. I think you'll find that cancer has already been cured, but...  Thanks Obama!!!
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BBJoey posted:I think you'll find that cancer has already been cured, but... Counterpoint: If the formula was successful Obama could use it and become immortal and then be PRESIDENT FOREVER. </arguing with a jpeg>
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baw posted:I work with Marines and they are all buying the GOP narrative. I don't get this because there is no coherent narrative. It's: 1) This guy is a traitor and didn't deserve to be rescued. 2) Obama rescued him anyway because... ???? What ulterior motive can there be to bring back some no-name grunt from an afghan prison? And there is absolutely nothing to be gained (pragmatically) from his release, to the point where it's obvious that if we were willing to swap five prisoners for him, those prisoners must have no value to us. Like there is just no feasible way to go with this unless you are in the camp that literally, actually believes the president of the united states is a sleeper agent who wants to sow discord and help the terrorists. Not even "he wants to destroy america" in the sense that he wants to enforce socialist values, but in the sense that he actually hates his country and wants it to burn.
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Obama was so desperate for good PR to cancel out all his scandals that his was willing to try and get a POW home at the expense of our national security. Too bad he's such a dummy he didn't realize that guy was traitorous scum not worth being rescued and now the Taliban has five Bin Ladens back to wage their holy war on us. Now excuse me while I ride my $50k Harley to Washington and clog up traffic to tell Washington to get our POWs back home!! It's more that Obama is incompetent and stupid and that his inept leadership not only insults the brave men who died looking for a deserter but it actively helps our enemies. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Jun 6, 2014 |
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To be fair to Obama here, most of these right-wingers who had been clamoring for his release didn't realize he was a traitor either until he was already on a flight home. How embarrassing!
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Tender Bender posted:Like there is just no feasible way to go with this unless you are in the camp that literally, actually believes the president of the united states is a sleeper agent who wants to sow discord and help the terrorists. Not even "he wants to destroy america" in the sense that he wants to enforce socialist values, but in the sense that he actually hates his country and wants it to burn. That camp is called the GOP. A depressing number of our countrymen really, honestly believe that the dude is a secret Muslim/communist/atheist/foreigner/fascist and their representatives who know better are happy to ride the paranoia back into office each year. Fox news and the base have been interpreting every action of Obama's as part of his ill-defined secret evil plan for so long that I don't think they can stop.
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http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/06/05/Rubio-If-Bergdahl-Islam-Conversion-Report-is-True-The-White-House-Directly-Lied-To-Mequote:Thursday on Fox News' "The Kelly File" Sen Marco Rubio (R-FL) told host Megyn Kelly that if the story Fox News' James Rosen broke today that U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl had converted to Islam during his captivity and even declared himself a warrior for Islam, he was directly lied to by the White House. ISLAM!!!! I kind of, sort of remember when people thought Megyn Kelly was one of the good ones.
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lil mortimer posted:http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/06/05/Rubio-If-Bergdahl-Islam-Conversion-Report-is-True-The-White-House-Directly-Lied-To-Me She comes out for women's issues sometimes but like a lot of people only gives a poo poo about oppression when it specifically affects her and gets back into the "poo poo on others" train.
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VitalSigns posted:To be fair to Obama here, most of these right-wingers who had been clamoring for his release didn't realize he was a traitor either until he was already on a flight home. How embarrassing! This is the loving thing that really bothers me. Usually we know they're disingenuous, but this is one of the few times there's loving clear proof. We know almost nothing more at this point than we did a few months after he got taken. Every single thing brought up so far has been a rehash of the debate from years ago, but now suddenly all this information matters. Suddenly we should have left him behind. It's disgusting, and so easily provable with a simple Google search. I don't understand how this is having any resonance at all. Maybe I pay attention to right wing media too much, and I've huffed too many farts from the echo chamber. It just feels like the conservative narrative on this has permeated the media cycle. It's loving awful, and reminds me when Kerry was swiftboated. This thing with the VA is the same way. Republicans filibuster and black hole every single bill to help veterans since 2012, and no backlash. The veterans groups have been in the media raising hell over the Obama admin's handling of the VA backlog for years. That could have been a loving campaign issue in 2012 if Romney knew what the gently caress he was doing. Now the VA is a scandal. Now everyone's falling all over themselves to try to look like they support Bernie Sanders' bill. Now Democrats want to act like they've always been taking the high road on this when many of them are just as worthless as the Republicans. These past few weeks have felt different to me than the last few years I've been following it. Most of the time I'm able to shake my head, and just kind of laugh at the right wing hucksters spinning their fact-free bullshit. Usually the facts aren't so plain as they are in these 2 cases, and so it's easy to kind of go, "well if you warp your lens a bit then I guess you could make that leap." The right wing is just telling easily provable lies now, and not just on minor disprovable facts. They're constructing whole cloth narratives full of loving lies about a soldier, and trying to act like they support veterans. I know this isn't the USPol thread, but man I need a drink. Where's that Shep Smith, "Politics is weird and creepy..." clip.
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lil mortimer posted:http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/06/05/Rubio-If-Bergdahl-Islam-Conversion-Report-is-True-The-White-House-Directly-Lied-To-Me Somebody's been watching too much "Homeland". Now if they can just get Kiefer Sutherland to shoot Bergdahl in the head within 24 hours then the ultimate conservative wet dream will be complete.
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Tender Bender posted:I don't get this because there is no coherent narrative. It's: I've been super disgusted at all the active service and veteran members of the armed forces that I know who have been calling this guy a traitor. I asked one of them (this naval seamen who was on Submarines) that of He was a traitor why did Obama get gum back? His answer was loving liberals wanted him back and Obama waved to appease the Muslim community. I'm actually loving livid at it right now
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ErIog posted:I know this isn't the USPol thread, but man I need a drink.
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When I see people losing their loving poo poo to the degree that bringing assault rifles to Chipotle is acceptable, I wonder if when they said America wasn't ready for a black president what they meant is that they weren't and never would be.
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Refusing to rescue an American soldier, no matter the circumstances, is not an option what so ever. Military doctrine states that the effect of "picking and choosing" soldiers would have a catastrophic effect on morale and the chain of command. There is nothing to debate here, especially when the rather harsh justice of a military court is next. Squidbillies is truly brilliant because, under the silly facade and crude humor, it is "pinch me, I'm dreaming" accurate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eovGJsW008 
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I wonder if the next time a US Soldier is captured, the interrogators are going to think to look up all the poo poo right-wing politicians and pundits are saying about Bergdahl as inspiration for what to tell their new captive that his government is saying about him back home.
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ErIog posted:This is the loving thing that really bothers me. Usually we know they're disingenuous, but this is one of the few times there's loving clear proof. We know almost nothing more at this point than we did a few months after he got taken. Every single thing brought up so far has been a rehash of the debate from years ago, but now suddenly all this information matters. Suddenly we should have left him behind. It's disgusting, and so easily provable with a simple Google search. I don't understand how this is having any resonance at all. Maybe I pay attention to right wing media too much, and I've huffed too many farts from the echo chamber. It just feels like the conservative narrative on this has permeated the media cycle. It's loving awful, and reminds me when Kerry was swiftboated. You see, it's the Democrats and liberals who are slandering Bergdahl's troop just like they did to those poor Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. Despicable.
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