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Mithaldu posted:Why don't you do both? I use Opera 12 as my main browser, which works fine for all but ... 12 websites i use, and the ones with atrociously slow javascript, or ram-hungry and crash-happy flash bullshit get loaded in firefox or chrome.  It still works for most things, so I'm not giving up. 
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I miss the old Opera.* I keep looking to the newer Opera here and there, hoping they've added more features to make it more like 12. I'm happy to find out I actually can enable the keyboard shortcuts, but for some reasing 1 and 2 on the numpad won't work for going left and right on my tabs.... All the other numpad extensions work, though. I miss sessions and bookmarks and whatnot, but at least I can get extensions to match those. I also wish I could change the keyboard shortcuts. Ctrl + Z is so much easier than ctrl + shift + T. But I was wondering, is there really no way at all to customize the UI? I really want to remove the navigation buttons, but can't seem to find anything suggesting that that's possible. * "Miss" is probably the wrong word to use here, considering I still use it. Though I seem to recall seeing a claim a few months ago that Opera was going to push an auto update through 12 to force everyone to whatever the newest version is mid 2014? Not that I think they could truly FORCE the update... but still. Wish they'd make the newer version feel and act like the old one more so first.
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May 31, 2014 19:47
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At the end of the day it's chrome, and chrome was meant to be fast and light-weight, which is an impossibility with highly customizable software.
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May 31, 2014 23:00
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Mithaldu posted:At the end of the day it's chrome, and chrome was meant to be fast and light-weight, which is an impossibility with highly customizable software.
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Something strange just happened with my Opera 12.17 (Win8.1). In the middle of usage, it stopped loading images. Ok, that happens from time to time with large images, so I just restart it. Most images load, but imgur...doesn't. Any in-line links in the forums, going to imgur.com, going to gallery pages, nothing loads. The only time it will load a picture is if I go directly to the .jpg/.gif/etc file. I've cleared all the caches I can find, I've uninstalled and reinstalled Java, disabled Ghostery, rebooted my computer. I'm at a loss. Before I go through the hassle of uninstall/reinstall, any suggestions?
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Jun 7, 2014 07:35
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Pyroclastic posted:Something strange just happened with my Opera 12.17 (Win8.1). In the middle of usage, it stopped loading images. Ok, that happens from time to time with large images, so I just restart it. Most images load, but imgur...doesn't. Any in-line links in the forums, going to imgur.com, going to gallery pages, nothing loads. The only time it will load a picture is if I go directly to the .jpg/.gif/etc file. Same issue here. I wonder if Imgur made a change that Opera doesn't know how to cope with.
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Jun 7, 2014 07:39
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Same again for me, Opera 12.16 on OS X 10.8.5, my other browsers are all fine with loading imgur pics but just blank space happens in Opera. Glad to know it's not just me, but I hope it gets rectified as I'd hate to have to switch to another browser full time. I moved to Chrome on my work machine because Opera kept getting bogged down with all the tabs I usually run and it just feels so wrong, as stupid as it sounds I actually feel a little dread in the idea of having to move away from Opera 12 permanently. It's just the best browser.
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Jun 7, 2014 08:28
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They're loading for me in 12.17 64-bit on Vista. Hmm. edit: Oh what the gently caress, and now they don't. YOU CURSED ME. claw game handjob fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Jun 7, 2014 |
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Jun 7, 2014 08:35
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According to reddit:quote:[–]nostaw 1 point 44 minutes ago I did notice in my Dragonfly inspection that came up once. And I just turned off Referrer Information (F12) and the images loaded. So it looks like however imgur intercepts referral information to call the images up in forums or their own site got changed and is incompatible with Opera. If the site doesn't get a referrer, it just delivers the image in a more straightforward way.
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Jun 7, 2014 09:06
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Lol http://otter-browser.org/ released a beta that is already on feature parity with the Blink based abomination after only six months. What the hell are they (not) doing in Norway?
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Jun 7, 2014 09:24
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Cool that got them loading again for me. Are there any negatives to having that option unchecked?
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Jun 7, 2014 09:24
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RandomCheese posted:Cool that got them loading again for me. Are there any negatives to having that option unchecked? Most sites work ok with referrer logging disabled. There are a few sites that refuse to load images or downloads with no referrer. But that can be toggled from site preferences. (F12 -> Edit Site Prefeences... -> Network), or just by turning "Send Referrer Information" back on from the F12 menu. I have had referrer logging disabled by default for a decade, maybe even longer, and it causes very few problems.
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Pyroclastic posted:Something strange just happened with my Opera 12.17 (Win8.1). In the middle of usage, it stopped loading images. Ok, that happens from time to time with large images, so I just restart it. Most images load, but imgur...doesn't. Any in-line links in the forums, going to imgur.com, going to gallery pages, nothing loads. The only time it will load a picture is if I go directly to the .jpg/.gif/etc file. Oh, thank god it's not just me, I ended up spending all night loving with every cache and setting in existence trying to figure this out. I hope they fix it soon, I don't want to change browsers, ugh.  EDIT: Pyroclastic posted:According to reddit: Thank you! Thank you so much! 
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Jun 7, 2014 11:24
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Fark, I knew I should have checked here before I got all pissed off and uninstalled opera in my win7 desktop. I was already at the end of my tether because Australia's iview streaming kept crashing in opera after the ABC revamped their site. So when imgur stopped working and nothing seemed to fix it I got pissed off and uninstalled opera and deleted all personal profiles  Oh well, when I get bored I might reinstall and try again.
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Jun 7, 2014 15:39
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Riso posted:Lol http://otter-browser.org/ released a beta that is already on feature parity with the Blink based abomination after only six months. Has anyone tried this? Is it any good?
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Jun 7, 2014 15:45
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Fo3 posted:I was already at the end of my tether because Australia's iview streaming kept crashing in opera after the ABC revamped their site. So when imgur stopped working and nothing seemed to fix it I got pissed off and uninstalled opera and deleted all personal profiles Just add buttons to open the current page or pointed at link in firefox/chrome/ie/whatever the retarded site needs, instead of having a tantrum and ragequitting.
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Jun 7, 2014 21:14
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Mithaldu posted:Just add buttons to open the current page or pointed at link in firefox/chrome/ie/whatever the retarded site needs, instead of having a tantrum and ragequitting. Wait, you can do that? I don't do any videos or similar stuff in Opera 12 anymore, and it'd be nice to be able to right-click a youtube link and have it open in Chrome on its own.
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Pyroclastic posted:Wait, you can do that? I don't do any videos or similar stuff in Opera 12 anymore, and it'd be nice to be able to right-click a youtube link and have it open in Chrome on its own. I originally got them from here: http://operawiki.info/webdevtoolbar But for the buttons only, find your menu.ini and edit this into the appropiate sections: code:code:code:
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Pyroclastic posted:Wait, you can do that? I don't do any videos or similar stuff in Opera 12 anymore, and it'd be nice to be able to right-click a youtube link and have it open in Chrome on its own. That's odd, my installation has that by default, just right click->Open With->Chrome|FF|IE.
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Gonna have to try that. Just a note, it looks like imgur cleared up the glitch and images are loading with Referrer Information turned on.
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I tried "upgrading" to the latest version for a bit when the imgur thing happened, and, well, I hadn't used post-v12.xx versions before that.  Why would they even do what they did?
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Jun 9, 2014 08:07
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I blame Opera Unite's Fridge.
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Since Chrome's lack of customization is finally starting to get to me, I figured I'd try out this Opera thing. However, it looks like the SALR in the OP doesn't exist anymore. Is there a current one somewhere?
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hooah posted:Since Chrome's lack of customization is finally starting to get to me, I figured I'd try out this Opera thing. However, it looks like the SALR in the OP doesn't exist anymore. Is there a current one somewhere? I wouldn't bother at this point. NuOpera is just a shittier Chrome and classic Opera hasn't gotten a feature update for over a year and is slowly getting more and more obsolete. I haven't tried it myself, but http://otter-browser.org/ seems promising, at least as a project.
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Wheany posted:I haven't tried it myself, but http://otter-browser.org/ seems promising, at least as a project. It almost can't be worse than any other browser out right now.
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Hexaemeron posted:It almost can't be worse than any other browser out right now. It's still very very raw, but given the pace at which it's developing we might actually have a Webkit-based Opera 12 in 2014!
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So, I'm finally allowed to talk about the Linux version now that marketing deigned to announce it. Well, bar the part where I'm guessing based on things I'm not supposed to know about. The specific build released has been waiting almost two weeks for a good day to announce it, and more generally this version has been usable for at most a couple of months; progress has been impressively fast given that it's a very, very small team. (They are also in a different country from the rest of the company, but that might be a benefit.) Back when 15 started, the Linux version progressed faster than the Windows version (but slower than the Mac version - which is still arguably the best one). Given the relative marketshares it was decided to pause Linux development to get the big two in shape first. Not that popular with the developers, and probably when that angry anonymous guy posted about it. Development was restarted more recently - probably acknowledging that from a technical POV, the Mac/Windows versions are now fairly solid. Oh, and it's a .deb that should work on newish debian/ubuntu-ish distros. Computer viking fucked around with this message at 11:46 on Jun 26, 2014 |
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Jun 26, 2014 09:32
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Sorry, still not interested in a Chrome copy.
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Is there any way you can bring back good features and good ideas from the good version of Opera and put it into the bad version of Opera? I honestly don't understand why turning it into Chrome was deemed as a good idea. There's already a chrome for people who want chrome. In fact, there are hundreds of Chromium likes. Opera was different to the rest of the junk browsers. Nothing about it makes it special any more and there's really no reason to use it compared to its counterparts.
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The one time I tried the newer Opera there were a bunch of extensions that tried to emulate Opera 12 behaviour but they were nowhere near far-reaching enough or were work-arounds. You shouldn't need a loving extension to make ctrl+t open a new tab next to the current one and it shouldn't need to do that by actually moving it next to the previously active one after it opens at the end of the stack.
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Riso posted:Sorry, still not interested in a Chrome copy. Fair enough. I would say they're drifting apart UI-wise, but it's still nothing like opera 12.
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Jun 26, 2014 11:48
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I don't even demand a lot. Just add tab grouping, the old cached tab behaviour that doesnt reload the newest version of the tabs all the time, fast forward, and the old bookmark and notes system.
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Riso posted:old bookmark You just reminded me that there is no proper bookmark system in the new opera. I still can't get over that.
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I just want old bookmarks and mouse gestures. Right click a link and pull down to open in new tab doesn't work in any of the extensions I've tried.
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Boogalo posted:I just want old bookmarks and mouse gestures. Right click a link and pull down to open in new tab doesn't work in any of the extensions I've tried. Mouse gestures and fast forward.
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pyrrho posted:You just reminded me that there is no proper bookmark system in the new opera. I still can't get over that. Opera devel has also changed the bookmarking buttons; there's now just one heart button that pops up a small thing where you can select bookmark bar/stash/speed dial. I don't use too many mouse gestures, though I notice the current selection is rather anemic; I can ask if it's planned but I might not get an answer. I suspect it'll be "we see in our stats that only 1.3% of the users used them, and the rest were confused by things suddenly happening", though. (At least they re-added rocker gestures, though they're disabled by default.) Computer viking fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Jun 26, 2014 |
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Computer viking posted:I don't use too many mouse gestures, though I notice the current selection is rather anemic; I can ask if it's planned but I might not get an answer. Also, a small frustration thing, which i'm quite sure you won't be able to answer, but i'd like to bring up anyhow: I really wonder who had the bright idea of making an entirely new software product from scratch and then cannibalizing the name of the former product, in the process confusing half the world and bring the users of their old product a ton of grief because the world doesn't know and doesn't give a poo poo that there's a difference and just slams website doors in their faces. Was that something that Opera management foresaw and accepted, or something that wasn't even thought about?
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I can certainly ask. As for the product name, well - it's the same kind of thing Microsoft does with both Windows and office now and then; or MacOS 9 vs X for that matter. I have the impression they didn't want to keep fighting to keep presto updated (and working despite people hardcoding for WebKit/mozilla/IE ), and that transplanting another engine into opera 12 would be a lot of work just to keep using a rather old and crufty codebase. Given that, reusing the name seems less silly than dropping it and having to work up brand recognition for something new. More controversially, I think they knew it would be unpopular with the hardcore fans, but went ahead anyway in the hope of recruiting a larger amount of "normal" users - and from what I hear, it seems to be working. Still, there's a reason they haven't pushed new opera as an autoupdate to 12 (and indeed have kept 12 available if you know where to look). Oh, and the internal "we'll kill you if you use this in public" codename was opium. (After all, it's the engine from chromium, not chrome.) I kind of prefer the chimera allusion in "chromera", though. 
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Jun 26, 2014 22:25
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I don't think anyone has any true "fan" affinity to the "old and crufty codebase" or the specific engine (and its myriad of quirks and flaws), but more to the particular subset of the large variety of features they were/are used to and depend on. If they ever reach some sort of parity i'd be happy to upgrade, although - and that's honestly the only thing that kinda irritates me - it doesn't look like anyone is even shooting for that.Computer viking posted:Oh, and the internal "we'll kill you if you use this in public" codename was opium. (After all, it's the engine from chromium, not chrome.) RoadCrewWorker fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Jun 26, 2014 |
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Mmh, it's more that the old UI was also an acquired taste for a niche of power users - good for keeping a small and loyal fan base, less so for expanding into the great unwashed masses. I guess moving to a new codebase was seen as a good time to re-target for, well, a lower but more common denominator. That said, they have been tacking on new features, but they seem to be quite selective in only adding things that doesn't make it look more complicated by default. There are a few things hidden behind default-off settings, so they could in theory add more ... but no, I wouldn't exactly hold my breath for feature parity with 12. Oh, and yandex has its own branded opera version - called yandex.browser, in a fit of creativity. It has a backend service to compress sites and such, related to what opera mini /offroad mode does. You almost have to see for yourself what it's called. Nobody here knows of there's any relation or not. Computer viking fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Jun 26, 2014 |
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