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Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.
Mighty blow, keep, save for a dog

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Pimpmust
Oct 1, 2008

Veloxyll posted:

If they were not awful, then that would be logical.

Don't be hating on the coolest team.

Never said anything about them being *good* though, but surely a step up from loving dwarves.

(Unless you mean wood elves, meh)

Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

I meant Cyanide. I'm not nearly as against Chorfs as regular Dwarves.

Also, ya'll need to get Grab on the Wight.

Keep he's still 4 ST, we have more important wolves to replace.

Buy a drat Cheerleader already!

namad
Nov 7, 2013
The flesh prince played pretty badly during most of his career. The flesh prince is a waste of TV. Starting with two flesh golems is a questionable choice anyways. A Zombie has AV8 for a lot less TV. But most of all I want to see a star player or wizard or something at some point during this LP and now sounds like a great time. So, Let's give another zombie a chance to shine by Firing the Flesh Prince.

I'm still voting to Save money for a wolf though.

namad fucked around with this message at 11:07 on Jun 8, 2014

Duuk
Sep 4, 2006

Victorious, he returned to us, claiming that he had slain the drought where even Orlanth could not. The god-talkers were not sure what to make of this.
Grab allows us to position stuff so we can surf it! Grab allows us to ignore sidestep on annoying elves! A Vote for Grab is a vote for victory!

Also buy a Cheerleader because eheheh, we can make you buy a cheerleader.

Edit: Keep TFP, but only until we can afford to replace him. (More edit: that means after we replace all our dead wolves.)

Duuk fucked around with this message at 11:19 on Jun 8, 2014

sunburnedcrow
Dec 17, 2012
Guard
Keep the Flesh Golem and
Save for a wolf

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

jBrereton posted:

Yeah.

Orcs
Humans
Chaos
Dwarves
Skaven I think?
Bretonnians (apparently like Fend-ier Vamps in terms of lineup, historically)
High Elves (aka The Boringest Elfs)
Dark Elves (yeah OK I guess)

What I don't get Wood Elves? They're the only team I know how to play!

Also

Guard
Keep
Save

Steelpudding
Apr 21, 2010

I've got Balls of Steel!
Get mighty blow to blow even mightierly.
Keep the cripple. He's just a zombie now with stand firm and +ST but that's enough.
Save for wolf. Stop rolling quadskulls.

Griffen
Aug 7, 2008
Goodbye Duran Duran reference. I was hoping he'd go places...other than the grave. Time to get vengeance on everyone else.

Mighty Blow
Keep the golem
Save for another wolf

Pimpmust
Oct 1, 2008

Veloxyll posted:

I meant Cyanide. I'm not nearly as against Chorfs as regular Dwarves.

Also, ya'll need to get Grab on the Wight.

Keep he's still 4 ST, we have more important wolves to replace.

Buy a drat Cheerleader already!

Ah, misunderstood you then.

Another team that could maybe use with replacement on that list is Humans for [a little more spice: Norse or Amazons] or [baller: Lizardmen or Necromantic].

Mostly because vanilla humans are pretty dull, even if they got all the basic blood bowl flexibility a decent team should have. That and having both Humans and Bretonnians, without any Undead or other weirdies is even duller :colbert:

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.
Playing against a fresh Khorne team is a wonderful experience. So many -2db blocks. :allears:

GNU Order
Feb 28, 2011

That's a paddlin'

Just FYI, when we reach the point where we have the money to replace the Flesh Prince and no other pressing player replacement to do, I'll put up another vote to fire him and buy a new flolem or not. Hopefully by then he will have proven himself as a valued contributor to the team and all-around cool guy

e- May as well do a vote tally as well

Dr. Wight Level
Mighty Blow - 17
Guard - 8
Strong Arm - 1
Sure Hands - 1
Grab - 2

The FP Status
Keep - 22
Fire - 1

What To Buy Next
Wolf - 22
Cheerleader(s) - 3

Roll Skulls?
Roll Them - 1
Don't - 1


Let's go ahead and call it for TFP and buying Wolf #2. I could probably call it for Dr. Wight's level as well but there's always the chance Guard could make a comback by the time voting actually closes

GNU Order fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Jun 8, 2014

jBrereton
May 30, 2013
Grimey Drawer

Pimpmust posted:

Ah, misunderstood you then.

Another team that could maybe use with replacement on that list is Humans for [a little more spice: Norse or Amazons] or [baller: Lizardmen or Necromantic].

Mostly because vanilla humans are pretty dull, even if they got all the basic blood bowl flexibility a decent team should have. That and having both Humans and Bretonnians, without any Undead or other weirdies is even duller :colbert:
Humans are a team that can be loads of stuff, Zons are dull as dishwater, and I wouldn't put them in a game where 1/8 of the teams available are Dwarves. That's just mean.

They should drop the High Elves, who are just a human team with no big guy, no interesting skill/stat differences between players, and an extra point of Agi. Eugh. Swap them for Undead or Wood Elves.

Narahari
Apr 12, 2009
Wait, I want to change my vote for Roll Dub Skulls because watching things die to no skill skinks and going for it is the essence of blood bowl.

Pimpmust
Oct 1, 2008

jBrereton posted:

Humans are a team that can be loads of stuff, Zons are dull as dishwater, and I wouldn't put them in a game where 1/8 of the teams available are Dwarves. That's just mean.

They should drop the High Elves, who are just a human team with no big guy, no interesting skill/stat differences between players, and an extra point of Agi. Eugh. Swap them for Undead or Wood Elves.

Are GW still developing Blood Bowl/new versions? Some of these teams have been "questionable" for a long drat time and could use either another positional/big guy or some skill changes. Last time I was interested in GW stuff in the mid 00 it didn't seem like they were doing much outside their main wargaming lines though. Since then there's only been a boardgame or two released (not made by GW though, right?).

If the wiki is anything to go by there hasn't really been any big changes since... 2007?

(The answer is that GW turned into a soulless, shambling, money-sucking zombie sometime during the 90ies)

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
GW have removed all mention of it from their website. The game is in an odd place right now.

TheNabster
Apr 26, 2014

"Today I will cause problems on purpose"
Hmm, I think I might swap my vote from Mighty Blow to Guard

Duuk
Sep 4, 2006

Victorious, he returned to us, claiming that he had slain the drought where even Orlanth could not. The god-talkers were not sure what to make of this.
Actually, change my vote from Grab to Guard. Because Guard is super good and who knows when we can get some on our flolems.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

Wighty Blow

uPen
Jan 25, 2010

Zu Rodina!

goatface posted:

GW have removed all mention of it from their website. The game is in an odd place right now.

GW is the only company that hates Blood Bowl more than Cyanide.

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





Guard. Lots of guard is boring, but one guard mixes things up.

uPen
Jan 25, 2010

Zu Rodina!
Guard also makes it much easier to do one turn touchdowns!

pumpinglemma
Apr 28, 2009

DD: Fondly regard abomination.

Veloxyll posted:

Dwarfs: Rerolling dubskulls into Dubskulls. Still fine.

Skull/BD into dubskulls.

These dice!

That was a minus 2db rather than a 2db though, right? So the dub skulls were irrelevant - one skull on either die would have sufficed.

Danakir
Feb 10, 2014
Guard. There's a fine line between being a fun-haver and self-sabotage.

Pimpmust
Oct 1, 2008

uPen posted:

GW is the only company that hates Blood Bowl more than Cyanide.

There's something deeply ironic about a company named Games Workshop outsourcing all their games workshopping to other companies and hiding any mention of all that stuff on their main website.

Did a random search for Mordheim on their website and I got 1 hit, a box of "Mordheim Turf" for 15 bux. Nevermind stuff like Gorkamorka or Necromunda :orks:

I guess one way of focusing on your "Core Business" as a hobby game maker is to cut all the hobby games and produce endless reams of Space Marine Fan Fiction :negative:

Luquos
Aug 9, 2009

how about we go back to my place and i conquer your world, if you know what i mean

Pimpmust posted:

There's something deeply ironic about a company named Games Workshop outsourcing all their games workshopping to other companies and hiding any mention of all that stuff on their main website.

Did a random search for Mordheim on their website and I got 1 hit, a box of "Mordheim Turf" for 15 bux. Nevermind stuff like Gorkamorka or Necromunda :orks:

I guess one way of focusing on your "Core Business" as a hobby game maker is to cut all the hobby games and produce endless reams of Space Marine Fan Fiction :negative:

GW discontinued basically every specialist game a while ago. It is really goddamn sad, considering I played the poo poo out of Necromunda.

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.
Why sell 13 minis to a player when you can sell them 50?

Duuk
Sep 4, 2006

Victorious, he returned to us, claiming that he had slain the drought where even Orlanth could not. The god-talkers were not sure what to make of this.

Fat Samurai posted:

Why sell 13 minis to a player when you can sell them 50?

Isn't their business about to go straight to hell once 3D printers get into their stride? I don't know much about minis.

Pasco
Oct 2, 2010

Gonna go with Guard for Dr. Whight

goatface
Dec 5, 2007

I had a video of that when I was about 6.

I remember it being shit.


Grimey Drawer
Once the technology matures you'll just have people selling model data files, and people pirating the same. But it's not there yet.

edit - They also have limitations on shapes you can model. There are things that injection moulding will always be better at.

cokerpilot
Apr 23, 2010

Battle Brothers! Stop coming to meetings drunk and trying to adopt Tevery Best!

Lord General! Stop standing on the table and making up stupid operation names!

Emperor, why do I put up with these people?
That was not a true dwarf match. There was no doomroller.

Blackmage Yapo
Mar 27, 2008

Odin You Sad I Have
All The SPP
GNU why did you steal my block dice for this game?

Also never loving GFI into endzones.

namad
Nov 7, 2013
GW makes a ton of money coming up with the models. Actually producing them and selling the physical good probably isn't that big a deal. Either 3d printing will kill them, OR explode their profitability as they sell the data files for full price and don't actually have to spend money on production. It's not like piracy instantly killed record labels or hollywood.

TheNabster
Apr 26, 2014

"Today I will cause problems on purpose"

Fat Samurai posted:

Why sell 13 minis to a player when you can sell them 50?

Because no matter how much they have jacked up the prices on their models, people still buy them. If a small number of people spend a large amount of money then it will keep the company above water, for now.

Pimpmust
Oct 1, 2008

namad posted:

GW makes a ton of money coming up with the models. Actually producing them and selling the physical good probably isn't that big a deal. Either 3d printing will kill them, OR explode their profitability as they sell the data files for full price and don't actually have to spend money on production. It's not like piracy instantly killed record labels or hollywood.

Considering the price premium (increase) of those little plastic mans in the last decade or so I'd say they are making a load of their profits from selling the actual pieces.

How would it even work for them to only sell the designs/schematics?

First couple of serious dozen dudes (or a hundred, whatever) with big 3D printer gear would buy that poo poo and then print out like a million plastic mans and run their own little middle-hand warehouse+retailing shops, eliminating any "premium" price difference through competition between themselves if nothing else.
Unless you mean that GW would somehow be able to collect a royalty for each mans produced? que £20 premium per man sold + yearly license fee and oh my god pirates are sinking this poo poo and keelhauling the CEO :supaburn:

namad
Nov 7, 2013

Pimpmust posted:

Considering the price premium (increase) of those little plastic mans in the last decade or so I'd say they are making a load of their profits from selling the actual pieces.

How would it even work for them to only sell the designs/schematics?

First couple of serious dozen dudes (or a hundred, whatever) with big 3D printer gear would buy that poo poo and then print out like a million plastic mans and run their own little middle-hand warehouse+retailing shops, eliminating any "premium" price difference through competition between themselves if nothing else.
Unless you mean that GW would somehow be able to collect a royalty for each mans produced? que £20 premium per man sold + yearly license fee and oh my god pirates are sinking this poo poo and keelhauling the CEO :supaburn:


They'd sell personal print licenses, not for resale. Lots of things are labeled not for resale. If people open a big profitable businesses reselling things printed with the non-resale license then they sue them and take all the profits. It's like letting a movie theatre play a movie. Or well any business really?

If a guy shares a couple with his mates though, oh well that's just what they've got to suffer in the modern era of 3d printing, it's certainly not an instant death sentence?

Or heck, lots of digital media like DVDs have drm, maybe by law at some point some idiotic congressman will make it illegal to sell a 3d printer without a built in drm-encryption lock (just like how there is a law that passed that made selling proper unlocked dvdplayers illegal). Region locked dvdplayers are a sin against nature, similar idiotic ideas might keep GW afloat? Or who knows maybe 3d printers won't ever catch on? People often buy plenty of things they can make themselves.

Duuk
Sep 4, 2006

Victorious, he returned to us, claiming that he had slain the drought where even Orlanth could not. The god-talkers were not sure what to make of this.
Are the models GW comes up with so unique? For popular computer games, there are modding communities who produce absolutely mindblowingly detailed 3D content, lots of those featuring themes like armor and weapons and battle people. For free.

I would have thought one could eventually take one of those if they wanted to (low enough poly for the printer to handle it at the desired scale), pose the skeleton and press go.

uPen
Jan 25, 2010

Zu Rodina!

Duuk posted:

Are the models GW comes up with so unique? For popular computer games, there are modding communities who produce absolutely mindblowingly detailed 3D content, lots of those featuring themes like armor and weapons and battle people. For free.

I would have thought one could eventually take one of those if they wanted to (low enough poly for the printer to handle it at the desired scale), pose the skeleton and press go.

You could play their games with anything as long as it's got a circular base that takes up the right area and can show facing. Some people just really like overpaying for plastic models.

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.
Piracy is yet to wreck a single industry, so I'm guessing GW will survive 3D printers.

I think I'm the only player more succesful at defense than offense, at least with my Dark Elves. It seems that every time I attack my opponent get's an extra turn and wrecks my guys before they can do anything, but on defense I manage to recover the ball quite often. That's making my team pretty unbalanced, with 3 guys at level 3 (blitzers and a lineman that keeps getting MVPs), one at 2 (a runner with STR 4 who is going to become my dedicated ball recoverer n defense and will never learn a pass skill) and the rest at 1.

Another problem is that I'm at 1200 TV and don't have any Witch Elves yet. I started with 4 blitzers, 1 Runner and the rest linemen, and deaths are forcing me to buy extra linemen. I'm at least two good matches away from a WE.

What's the proper attack strategy for a DE team? I'm mostly running the sides with light screens rather than cages, trying to keep one or two guys as possible receivers, but I'm finding I don't have enough Strengh, skills or movement to move easily.

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Veloxyll
May 3, 2011

Fuck you say?!

Fat Samurai posted:

Piracy is yet to wreck a single industry, so I'm guessing GW will survive 3D printers.

But will they survive themselves?

Fat Samurai posted:


Another problem is that I'm at 1200 TV and don't have any Witch Elves yet. I started with 4 blitzers, 1 Runner and the rest linemen, and deaths are forcing me to buy extra linemen. I'm at least two good matches away from a WE.

What's the proper attack strategy for a DE team? I'm mostly running the sides with light screens rather than cages, trying to keep one or two guys as possible receivers, but I'm finding I don't have enough Strengh, skills or movement to move easily.

Why bother buying fresh Linemen? Loners are basically as good, and then you don't care when they get punched and die.

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