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RandomPauI posted:I'm a non-pilot. Why exactly is the EtD thing bad? A few years ago the pilot group reluctantly agreed to making concessions (pay cuts among other things) in order to help dig the company out of a rut, meanwhile at the executive level they're getting six figure pay increases. Now Delta is offering a way for endeavor pilots to more easily get jobs flying for mainline Delta, but current pilots are exempt from the offer and only brand new hires will be allowed to participate.
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Basically, the company was going down the shitter, so the pilots stepped up and took some of the load off to keep it afloat. Now the company needs to rebuild, and so they're pandering to new pilots so they can get more employees, yet they're giving the shaft to the people that stuck with them and helped keep the company going. Edit: Missed the last post, what he said!
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Jun 6, 2014 15:24
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Captain Bravo posted:Basically, the company was going down the shitter, so the pilots stepped up and took some of the load off to keep it afloat. Now the company needs to rebuild, and so they're pandering to new pilots so they can get more employees, yet they're giving the shaft to the people that stuck with them and helped keep the company going. Next step is all the expensive old pilots start finding new jobs because they were treated like poo poo and are replaced by cheaper new guys that are dreaming of a delta 717. This plan can only fail if the time requirements for ATP were dramatically raised leading to a shortage of pilots to replace the disgruntled veterans with.
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Jun 6, 2014 15:29
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hobbesmaster posted:Next step is all the expensive old pilots start finding new jobs because they were treated like poo poo and are replaced by cheaper new guys that are dreaming of a delta 717. Meanwhile the cheap young guys at the regionals are looking to get out ASAP. They don't want to wait around for some ETD/Flow/Pref Hire type program. Delta is going to be hiring non Endevor guys off the street while the ETD guys sit there waiting. Same thing is going to happen with American and envoy/PSA as well as United and expressjet. Or put it another way. Old expensive regional guys are going to stay, young cheap regional guys are going to bounce, and flow programs are complete bullshit. hobbesmaster posted:This plan can only fail if the time requirements for ATP were dramatically raised leading to a shortage of pilots to replace the disgruntled veterans with. Not gonna happen. We're already seeing the industry push back against the ATP rule. No way is there enough support to raise the time requirements for the ATP.
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Jun 6, 2014 16:33
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Flow through is especially bullshit in the case of wholly owned regionals. Why would you poach all the pilots from your own regional, when you can do it from the competition and then hurt them with attrition. It's in their interest to keep that flow at a trickle.
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Jun 6, 2014 16:35
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Animal posted:Flow through is especially bullshit in the case of wholly owned regionals. Why would you poach all the pilots from your own regional, when you can do it from the competition and then hurt them with attrition. It's in their interest to keep that flow at a trickle. The idea is that you poach the senior guys who are "Too expensive" to be regional pilots and cut their costs by re-starting them at mainline. A young pilot staff is a cheap pilot staff. The only problem is that you have to have new guys getting hired at your regional for this to work. Of course they're demanding concessions in return for the flow and are confused as to why they keep getting shot down. So the old guys they WANT to get rid of get too old to leave and become lifers, and the new guys go to some other airline that actually has a future. The net result is a super expensive regional pilot group that's mad as hell but you can't get rid of because no one is willing to replace them. Everybody loses.
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Jun 6, 2014 16:43
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I was more writing what the company thinks they're doing and was trying to make a joke about last year's hours requirement changes throwing off all the regionals. So glad I was talked out of trying to pursue this as a career.
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Jun 6, 2014 17:35
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RandomPauI posted:I'm a non-pilot. Why exactly is the EtD thing bad? The US regional airlines are having a hard time hiring new pilots due to the combination of terrible pay/work conditions and newish FAA rules increasing how many hours are needed to earn the Airline Transport Pilot certificate required to fly for an airline. They are looking for ways to fix their pilot shortage without increasing pay or improving work conditions, and in this case their proposed solution has the added benefit of angering their existing pilots by exempting them from the fast path to a major airline offered to new hires. This Frontline documentary is 4 years old but talks about the conditions at regional airlines as part of a discussion of the Colgan Air 3407 crash, the crash that led to the rule changes.
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Jun 6, 2014 17:42
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The Slaughter posted:How hard would it be to hold PDX? GEG? Are either commutable from seattle? From what I've heard, most people are getting their first base choice out of training right now, so either of those shouldn't be too hard to get. QX runs a lot of PDX-SEA shuttle flights daily, so commuting between them shouldn't be too bad, although those flights tend to be pretty full. I'm not sure how many GEG-SEA flights there are, but I think there are a few to Seattle and Portland every day.
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Jun 6, 2014 18:58
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PDX and SEA are only 2.5 hours apart by car. If I lived in one and was based in another I'd probably just drive it. It's probably only slightly slower than commuting and you're never going to get left behind or miss the last flight of the night.
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Jun 6, 2014 19:52
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Yeah, SEA would obviously be my preferred base but I feel PDX could be OK. GEG tho.. It's a shithole. And it's only 4 hours, but especially in the winter the passes get pretty bad. Plus the gas is kind of expensive if you're doing that trip constantly.
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Jun 6, 2014 20:27
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fordan posted:The US regional airlines are having a hard time hiring new pilots due to the combination of terrible pay/work conditions and newish FAA rules increasing how many hours are needed to earn the Airline Transport Pilot certificate required to fly for an airline. They are looking for ways to fix their pilot shortage without increasing pay or improving work conditions, and in this case their proposed solution has the added benefit of angering their existing pilots by exempting them from the fast path to a major airline offered to new hires. Worth pointing out if you're unfamiliar, RandomPauI, that the ATP wasn't required prior to the ATP Law/1,500 Hour Rule law being put in place. The minimum to fly commercially for a regional airline is 1,500 hours, with some convoluted educational exceptions reducing it to as low as 1,000.
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Jun 6, 2014 21:40
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Also re: Horizon: all this still true? 4:1 trip rig, 2:1 duty rig, 100% deadhead, 12 days off min (in 35 day bid). Mostly 4 day trips.
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Jun 6, 2014 21:57
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The Slaughter posted:Also re: Horizon: all this still true? What language is this 
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Jun 6, 2014 22:49
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The Slaughter posted:Also re: Horizon: all this still true? Not sure on the trip and duty rig, but we do get 100% deadhead. Most lines have 15-18 days off, with reserve lines being a couple days less than that. The trips vary a bit, but are mostly 2-4 days, although there are quite a few day trips in the system as well.
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Jun 6, 2014 23:42
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After graduating in May and mulling the idea of different flight schools in the Chicagoland area I think I'm going to just go to a pilot mill for a year or so instead. I'm not exactly sure which to go to, I've been thinking about Transpac, US Aviation, or Aerosim
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Jun 8, 2014 01:36
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KodiakRS posted:PDX and SEA are only 2.5 hours apart by car. If I lived in one and was based in another I'd probably just drive it. It's probably only slightly slower than commuting and you're never going to get left behind or miss the last flight of the night. The slog is awful and you will want to kill yourself between JBLM and Tacoma regardless of which direction you're going. Take it from someone who's lived for years in both cities and dated someone in the other. I've made that drive more times than i want to count. Curious, though: how many times would you have to make that "commute"?
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Jun 8, 2014 03:44
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I've got my Canadian PPL and about 100 hours, but the last time I flew as PIC was November, 2008. I believe to get back into flying I will need to do a flight review and re-write the PSTAR. Does anyone know what is involved in the flight review?
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Jun 8, 2014 19:14
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Theoretically everything on the flight test. However in reality it will be whatever the instructor needs to be confident in your abilities.
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Jun 9, 2014 01:22
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Duke Chin posted:The slog is awful and you will want to kill yourself between JBLM and Tacoma regardless of which direction you're going. Take it from someone who's lived for years in both cities and dated someone in the other. I've made that drive more times than i want to count. Well it'd be me driving it and I don't know with a regional schedule how often I'd be driving it as a line holder, I assume it depends if I am on reserve or a line holder.
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Jun 9, 2014 01:51
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To the dude considering Transpac: don't go to Transpac.
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Jun 9, 2014 04:29
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I'm an active cfi with my own airplane to teach out of..... Might be worth a shot versus the farms.
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In that case, go to Transpac. I kid, I kid. The pilot farms suck, but Transpac doesn't even get you done fast - it takes like 9 months.
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Jun 9, 2014 04:54
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The Slaughter posted:In that case, go to Transpac. I meant as a cfi. I'm at 400 hours and I've been debating whether to try and have some fun and do aerial survey or just get these hours over with. Right now I'm leaning towards the latter that's why I'm considering the pilot mills.
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Oh. At Transpac I was only getting 50 hrs/mo on average. I went there with 270 and after a year I left with like 900. Ymmv, it's hugely variable.
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The Slaughter posted:I went there with 270 and after a year I left with like 900. And you nearly lost your sanity.
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Jun 9, 2014 15:45
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It's salaried though right? I like that more than hourly
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This is probably a long shot, but if anyone here would like to work in air ambulance on a week on/week off schedule flying King Airs, live in or commute to Amarillo, TX, and you have 1000+ multi PIC (preferably turbine, but I can work with your piston time... I can also work with you if you have SE turbine PIC instead of multi) PM me.
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Jun 9, 2014 19:52
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Stupid Post Maker posted:It's salaried though right? I like that more than hourly I was salary yeah but it was only like $28k a year.
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Jun 9, 2014 22:54
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The Slaughter posted:I was salary yeah but it was only like $28k a year. Not too good but unfortunately that's competitive and probably beats first year regional pay
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greasyhands posted:This is probably a long shot, but if anyone here would like to work in air ambulance on a week on/week off schedule flying King Airs, live in or commute to Amarillo, TX, and you have 1000+ multi PIC (preferably turbine, but I can work with your piston time... I can also work with you if you have SE turbine PIC instead of multi) PM me. I have 70hrs in a king air but I'm really really good. Where do I sign
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Stupid Post Maker posted:Not too good but unfortunately that's competitive and probably beats first year regional pay You're probably right, but how well do you think you're going to handle students that barely have a grasp on English, much less on flying? I ask because I've been instructing in a similar situation for the last 8 months. Like Slaughter, I'm close to losing my mind and am counting down the hours until I can bail for SkyWest or Horizon. With that being said, I've flown close to 600 hours since starting last year and am on track to reach Part 135 mins at the end of June 
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Butt Reactor posted:You're probably right, but how well do you think you're going to handle students that barely have a grasp on English, much less on flying? I ask because I've been instructing in a similar situation for the last 8 months. Like Slaughter, I'm close to losing my mind and am counting down the hours until I can bail for SkyWest or Horizon. I had one student like that at my university, it was pretty tough I admit that. They're shy and say yes to anything you ask them even when they have absolutely no idea. But still my goal is to be an airline pilot so I might as well get there as fast as possible
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greasyhands posted:This is probably a long shot, but if anyone here would like to work in air ambulance on a week on/week off schedule flying King Airs, live in or commute to Amarillo, TX, and you have 1000+ multi PIC (preferably turbine, but I can work with your piston time... I can also work with you if you have SE turbine PIC instead of multi) PM me. I'm ATC at KAMA, which King Air are you hiring for? I see medevac King Airs flying in and out of Tradewind all the time.
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Zochness posted:I'm ATC at KAMA, which King Air are you hiring for? I see medevac King Airs flying in and out of Tradewind all the time. Haha, geez these forums. That is us. We have 2 90s and a 200.
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azflyboy posted:I'm not sure how many GEG-SEA flights there are, but I think there are a few to Seattle and Portland every day. They're nearly every hour or so. I used to work for AS and flew back and forth weekly for a year. It's now changed a lot with only QX planes going there. There were options for GEG-PDX-SEA as well. Sometimes flights get pretty full, though, especially in relation to school things like holidays and sports events. That was 10 years ago, though. Crazy... didn't realize it had been that long.
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Stupid Post Maker posted:I had one student like that at my university, it was pretty tough I admit that. They're shy and say yes to anything you ask them even when they have absolutely no idea. But still my goal is to be an airline pilot so I might as well get there as fast as possible Airline life can suck hard. It's not a race. Enjoy the fricken ride.
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greasyhands posted:This is probably a long shot, but if anyone here would like to work in air ambulance on a week on/week off schedule flying King Airs, live in or commute to Amarillo, TX, and you have 1000+ multi PIC (preferably turbine, but I can work with your piston time... I can also work with you if you have SE turbine PIC instead of multi) PM me. Just curious, what is the salary range for something like this? fake edit: I accept PMs!
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Zochness posted:I'm ATC at KAMA, which King Air are you hiring for? I see medevac King Airs flying in and out of Tradewind all the time. You workin tonight?
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xaarman posted:You workin tonight? STOP coming to Lubbock to do your overhead breaks when I've got a student soloing!!!!!!! Looking at you Brake 58
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