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vyst posted:I DO IF HE'S INTERRUPTING MY ullerrm posted:Yes, TW2002 was the one with the Genesis torps. The other sounds like Planets:TEOS. (Which was actually written by the same guy who wrote Legend of the Red Dragon.) It was definitely TW2002, thanks. Wonder if anyone still runs a clone of it somewhere. deadtear posted:Nah, some of them are, some of them are not same as pretty much all hull sizes. Some are ok for solo stuff I guess, but they're straight outclassed by almost everything for fleet work. This is combat battlecruisers I'm talking about. The Ferox is maybe an exception but since no-one ever took them out of the barn we'll never know. Assaults still have a role.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Or, even more sensibly, if you could fit a ship without being in it. This would be great even for non-importing purposes. If I have a bunch of ships in my hangar, I hate having to actually swap between them to check their fits - it would be so much better if you could just open a fitting window on a ship (and ideally, to have multiple fitting windows open at one time).
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Kalenn Istarion posted:My first VGA Planets? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VGA_Planets) I had a CIS account, so I played DECWAR a little bit. Now, just for the sake of nostalgia  I have set up it in a pdp-10 emulator. I was bad at the game those days, and I'm still bad now.I'm even worse at EVE, of course.
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Ashcans posted:This would be great even for non-importing purposes. If I have a bunch of ships in my hangar, I hate having to actually swap between them to check their fits - it would be so much better if you could just open a fitting window on a ship (and ideally, to have multiple fitting windows open at one time). The problem with this is that they don't actually apply your skills to the ship unless you're sitting in it. This gets really obvious when you're putting stuff in a JF from the freighter you're sitting in and it starts bitching at you about how stuff is too big. Also, t3s have no cargo capacity unless they're piloted, for whatever reason.
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TimNeilson posted:The problem with this is that they don't actually apply your skills to the ship unless you're sitting in it. This gets really obvious when you're putting stuff in a JF from the freighter you're sitting in and it starts bitching at you about how stuff is too big. Also, t3s have no cargo capacity unless they're piloted, for whatever reason. Because they gain cargohold from the subsystems which are only calculated when the T3 is piloted. Alternately, because  .
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Bedshaped posted:You're all despicable. I'm pretty sure I don't like you.
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Nevermind. Thread moved faster than I realized.
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Elmnt80 posted:Because they gain cargohold from the subsystems which are only calculated when the T3 is piloted. Alternately, because Actually I filed a gm petition for this a while back and it's unintended behaviour. I think I was supposed to file an actual real bug report for it but 
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deadtear posted:Nah, some of them are, some of them are not same as pretty much all hull sizes. You mean all T1 BCs are poo poo, some T2 ones are good. Except the unironic
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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blowfish posted:You mean all T1 BCs are poo poo, some T2 ones are good. Except the unironic No, I do not mean that and you're stupid if you believe it.
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BCs are in a really weird spot. They're definitely not good in any situation where getting bombed is a possibility, but ignoring that, they can have their uses. Especially as big lossmails.
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Jun 10, 2014 21:36
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Hazdoc posted:Especially as big lossmails. Don't forget to bling them out.
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Remember Star Control II? That game owned.
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blowfish posted:You mean all T1 BCs are poo poo, some T2 ones are good. Except the unironic Those who speak ill of the Brutix must be put to death. It is true, though -- the combat battlecruisers (tier1/tier2) are generally not in a good space. They're big enough (sig-radius-wise) to be trivially killed by bombing runs, but small enough (EHP-wise) to be alphaed by most rail doctrines. And not particularly mobile, even with the MMJD's introduction. Basically, the only ones that are viable for larger fleet doctrines are the ones with resist bonuses (Ferox, Prophecy). Otherwise, they're mostly toys for soloers and SV microgangs.
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pugnax posted:Remember Star Control II? That game owned. Some bunch of idiots are going to make another sequel to it (Star Control 3 was made by somebody other than the original guys and wasn't exactly received well). The original creators tried to get the rights back for a while but I think it's definitely too late now. EDIT: gently caress, it's Brian Wardell/Stardock making it. wdarkk fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Jun 10, 2014 |
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ullerrm posted:Otherwise, they're mostly toys for soloers and SV microgangs. Even then I'd argue there are better hulls for the job.
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Rhymenoserous posted:Even then I'd argue there are better hulls for the job. There are almost always better hulls for the job of "kill people in space"... but sometimes, that's not the job. Sometimes, the job is "I'm going to record the video as you die to improbable / underpowered hulls, and then evemail you the youtube link afterwards."
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Kalenn Istarion posted:It was definitely TW2002, thanks. Wonder if anyone still runs a clone of it somewhere. I guess you didn't play trek on a teletype. xtrek was a massive advance in both speed and conserving paper. edited for grammer patentmagus fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Jun 10, 2014 |
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ullerrm posted:There are almost always better hulls for the job of "kill people in space"... but sometimes, that's not the job. The internet spaceships tea bagging maneuver involves much work.
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nessin posted:The internet spaceships tea bagging maneuver involves much work. Dual rep + aar myrmidons are beautiful for this purpose, but are under utilised by the l33t pvp YouTube fools. As is the autocannon rep+aar gnosis. T1 bc's need some ccp love, tiericide nerfed the poor things into the ground.
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patentmagus posted:I guess you didn't play trek on a teletype. xtrek was a massive advance in both speed and conserving paper. VTTREK came before.  Someone joked about making a text mode EVE client. It would not be very different from this.
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So what's the best place to snag game time? I was looking at the 90-day code on Amazon for $38.85. Is that about the cheapest I'm gonna find it around? I've always played while unemployed before and just paid for PLEX in isk until now.
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Amberskin posted:VTTREK came before. Ummm, no. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_(text_game)
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Nur_Neerg posted:So what's the best place to snag game time? I was looking at the 90-day code on Amazon for $38.85. Is that about the cheapest I'm gonna find it around? I've always played while unemployed before and just paid for PLEX in isk until now. That's a decent deal, but that's the same price per month as available on the EVE website itself. Obviously the longer term subs are cheaper per month but more expensive up front. It sucks that PLEX is so expensive now, although I guess CCP must be happy with it since they haven't really said anything about alleviating the higher prices.
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OGS-Remix posted:It sucks that PLEX is so expensive now, although I guess CCP must be happy with it since they haven't really said anything about alleviating the higher prices. Higher plex price = more people purchase plex and fewer people cover subs with plex = more dollars in bank accounts.
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CommonShore posted:Higher plex price = more people purchase plex and fewer people cover subs with plex = more dollars in bank accounts. Nope.
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Boy, am I patting myself on the back for paying upfront for a full year. PLEX prices? What PLEX prices? 
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pseudanonymous posted:Nope. Truly, your argument is well-thought out, detailed, and compelling. We have all been made more intelligent by your posting. (  )OGS-Remix posted:It sucks that PLEX is so expensive now, although I guess CCP must be happy with it since they haven't really said anything about alleviating the higher prices. People are buying them up to hoard them, which is driving it upward. The supply of PLEX (people spending IRL $$$) is relatively low, and the average PLEX gets traded 2-3 times in its lifetime; the rate at which people convert PLEXes to gametime has stayed relatively consistent over the last few years, and does not really match up with market activity. People are investing in PLEX as a hedge against game balance changes, treating it as an alternate currency alongside ISK. There is no "right" price for PLEX; it's an investment good, not a market good. Just be glad that this isn't the Chinese server, where they're over 3B.
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ullerrm posted:Truly, your argument is well-thought out, detailed, and compelling. We have all been made more intelligent by your posting. The post he was quoting was making the hilarious, frequent mistake of somehow coming to the conclusion that keeping one's subscription alive with PLEX somehow denies CCP money when, in fact, PLEX'd accounts make CCP 33% MORE money than the subscription option does.
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ullerrm posted:There is no "right" price for PLEX; it's an investment good, not a market good. Just be glad that this isn't the Chinese server, where they're over 3B. Where RMT and bots run rampant.
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Glory of Arioch posted:Except, y'know, he's right. Not what I was asserting. If plex is 700 million people are more likely to purchase plex from CCP to get that sweet sweet isk.
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CommonShore posted:Not what I was asserting. If plex is 700 million people are more likely to purchase plex from CCP to get that sweet sweet isk. Not if making 700mil is easier than it was a few months ago. Not if the price increase is caused by an upswing in new accounts due to subscription deals, expansions, or media coverage. etc etc etc
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Glory of Arioch posted:Except, y'know, he's right. He is 100% right -- and he could have stated that in a useful way, like you just did. Instead, he added white noise to the thread. That said, CCP's been going nuts lately with sales on PLEX; it seems like new sales are being announced monthly. Between that and the overhead of CC processing fees, I'm guessing that PLEX and CC are becoming roughly equal in terms of $USD/account. No matter which one you choose, of course, CCP gets paid. The worst case scenario is that you have to AFKtar for eight hours a month instead of seven to pay for your character. What horror! Oh, the humanity! Wki posted:Where RMT and bots run rampant. I think you'd be surprised at the relative lack of botting on Serenity. Serenity's subscription costs are exceptionally low; ISBoxing multiple accounts is quite realistic. Most of the larger alliances are cooperative (if not socialistic) in nature -- group mining and ratting, and centralized loot/ore reprocessing is common. Individual alliances run their own market hubs that are incredibly well stocked, almost on par with Jita; it makes the VFK market look tiny. It's often more profitable to sell your loot to the buy orders in the region where you rat, rather than haul stuff to Jita to sell. Because of that, nullsec is far more utilized; it's not like TQ where highsec is overutilized and null is underutilized outside of a few core systems (JU- for example). RMT is a problem on Serenity; however, it is on TQ too. (And unlike TQ, RMT is fully allowed and unpunished on Serenity.) CommonShore posted:Not what I was asserting. If plex is 700 million people are more likely to purchase plex from CCP to get that sweet sweet isk. CCP's data indicates otherwise. Go to CCP's Youtube channel and watch the video from Fanfest 2014 of Dr. Eyjog's market presentation. ullerrm fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Jun 11, 2014 |
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Either way, any transaction involving plex in game is capital that CCP already possesses. Any transaction - whether via purchasing fresh plex or straight-up subscription time - represents the end user handing CCP money, and is preferable.
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The best profit for CCP is when some idiot packs 50 PLEX into their cargohold and gets blown up.
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Chomp8645 posted:The best profit for CCP is when some idiot packs 50 PLEX into their cargohold and gets blown up. This kind of thing will never not be hilarious.
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Chomp8645 posted:The best profit for CCP is when some idiot packs 50 PLEX into their cargohold and gets blown up. I can agree with that
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ullerrm posted:He is 100% right -- and he could have stated that in a useful way, like you just did. Instead, he added white noise to the thread. Maybe if the person actually cared to be educated he could do so himself. We've had this discussion in the last few pages of the thread already, and there's been a big thing on TMC. Maybe I just don't feel a pedantic need to remedy his ignorance rather than merely refuting his error. It's bizarre to me that you would make a "call out post" about my refuting someone for being wrong, but not educating them. He's the one who brought "noise" to the thread. But yeah whatever I'm the bad one for being right I guess.
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Glory of Arioch posted:The post he was quoting was making the hilarious, frequent mistake of somehow coming to the conclusion that keeping one's subscription alive with PLEX somehow denies CCP money when, in fact, PLEX'd accounts make CCP 33% MORE money than the subscription option does. I thought he was being dumped on for assuming that an increased Plex price will actually increase the number of Plex entering the market. The problem being, while a larger pool of people will buy Plex as the price rises, existing Plex purchasers will tend to buy fewer as their liquid isk target is reached much faster. Silly me.
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