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Evil Mastermind posted:I meant more in terms of "if you want the core PDFs for other games you can go anywhere, but if you want Pathfinder you have to go through Paizo." On top of what Winson said, they would be taking a 35% cut on sales from there, and according to the DTRPG publisher agreement, they couldn't offer any discounts for an extended period of time on their own store unless they matched them on the DTRPG store. Now, being a big name in the game, they could probably negotiate something, but thats what the agreement says. See Fred Hicks' recent blog on the matter.
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Was there ever a Pendragon thread? I remember some discussions of particularly good campaigns in the catpiss threads, and a little discussion on the relation to playing good paladins, but that was years ago. Just picked up the mega-bundle from the Bag of Holding, and was curious if anyone had experience playing.
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Dagon posted:On top of what Winson said, they would be taking a 35% cut on sales from there, and according to the DTRPG publisher agreement, they couldn't offer any discounts for an extended period of time on their own store unless they matched them on the DTRPG store. Now, being a big name in the game, they could probably negotiate something, but thats what the agreement says. Oh poo poo, that had not even occurred to me. Yeah, the DTRPG deal is not a bad one for a little guy who just wants a larger vehicle for product, but gently caress, Paizo is hyooge in relative terms and actually seems to understand how a webstore works.
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Winson_Paine posted:I can't actually blame them, I guess? I mean they are big enough to maintain their own webstore and they get to keep all the money they make from selling things through it. It makes a hell of a lot of sense, really. I bet if WOTC had any sense of web infrastructure or gave a poo poo about selling PDFs they would do the same thing. Fred Hicks talked about this recently; the cost of distributing on DriveThru compared to just your own webstore. quote:DriveThru has a pretty clear notion of the value to publishers. Depending on whether you’re exclusive with them for PDF sales or not (we’re not), their cut is 30% or 35% respectively. That’s a pretty significant chunka change, you might say. I’ve done enough e-commerce to nod and say, yeah, but the cost of running that site and providing those services and maintaining their market position makes that seem reasonably correct. It does mean that for the purposes of the experiment, even tho we sell for ~$12 through them, we’re making about $2 less per sale than the $10 item on our website gets, due to the cut. Someone talked to me about this on Google Plus when I first put the PDF out there, and I nodded happily and said (paraphrased) “if it’s worth $2 more to you to get it on your DriveThru bookshelf, it’s certainly worth $2 to us to make that possible for you”. e: dammit, everyone stop posting so fast! 
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Verr posted:Was there ever a Pendragon thread? I remember some discussions of particularly good campaigns in the catpiss threads, and a little discussion on the relation to playing good paladins, but that was years ago. I am certain we have had at least one, although it may be archived. I like Pendragon, it is a neat idea.
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Jun 11, 2014 00:43
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Evil Mastermind posted:I WAS BEATEN BY DAGON AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY EMPTYQUOTE
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Jun 11, 2014 00:43
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Winson_Paine posted:I am certain we have had at least one, although it may be archived. I like Pendragon, it is a neat idea. The terrible bad ideas man inside me wants to run the entire 85 year campaign.
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Jun 11, 2014 00:45
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/\ - Do it! I went back a few years and I couldn't find anything. No worries, I've got like 4-5 rulebooks/splatbooks to chew through. Would folks around here be interested in a PbP game?
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Jun 11, 2014 00:47
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Verr posted:/\ - Do it! I'm interested in all PbPs. But I also just got the bundle and need to read through it.
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Jun 11, 2014 00:49
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I'd complain about being mocked, but attention is attention.
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Jun 11, 2014 00:50
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Verr posted:/\ - Do it! I would. I grabbed the bundle and it's just going to waste right now.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Yeah, I get that. A large part of why people like DTRPG is because it's all your stuff in one place and "on the cloud" as it were, and if you're a smaller company it gives you a lot more exposure than trying to promote things yourself and saves you the hassle of setting up your own store. Paizo's big enough they don't need the boost or someone else hosting their stuff for them. A lot of 3rd Party Pathfinder folks use both Paizo and DTRPG (which is what I'm going to do with my stuff). There's also D20 Pathfinder OGC, which maintains its own webstore as well. It has a smaller cut 20% in comparison to Paizo's 25%, compared to Drive-Thru's 30-35%). Evil Mastermind posted:I meant more in terms of "if you want the core PDFs for other games you can go anywhere, but if you want Pathfinder you have to go through Paizo." And that Pathfinder number climbs a little bit every few days. 1/3rd of Pathfinder products are relatively short booklets no more than a few bucks, as opposed to 64/100/400 page books. On the one hand, it's good in that Pathfinder fans literally have more material than they'll ever need for years worth of games. Problem is, it's way too easy for products to slip through the cracks into obscurity. Libertad! fucked around with this message at 00:59 on Jun 11, 2014 |
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I'm running a Nights Black Agents (spies/vampires using the Gumshoe game engine) in a week or so - are there any threads about it in TG?
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Libertad! posted:On the one hand, it's good in that Pathfinder fans literally have more material than they'll ever need for years worth of games. Problem is, it's way too easy for products to slip through the cracks into obscurity. At least all that stuff is digital only, and won't be clogging up game stores for decades to come like 3.X stuff. Still, I can't even begin to understand why there needs to be that much stuff for it apart from people going "I wanna be a game designer!" and not actually have to be game designers.
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Effectronica posted:Hopefully the updated rule system cuts or significantly alters Mage Armor It just needs to have a real, serious cost associated with it. Like maybe you can reflexively trigger it when someone attacks you and decide to spend 1 mana per dot of armor you want up to your dots in the arcanum for that one attack. Yeah, that's expensive as hell, but at 5 dots mage armor is by far the best armor you can get in the entire game and it should be that expensive. Especially since in most games mana isn't hard to get.
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Jun 11, 2014 00:59
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Evil Sagan posted:I would. I grabbed the bundle and it's just going to waste right now. Spincut posted:I'm interested in all PbPs. But I also just got the bundle and need to read through it. Alright, well, imma chug down this bundle. If by the end of it, I still feel like some Pendragon, I'll do another interest check/start up a recruitment thread.
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Libertad! posted:A lot of 3rd Party Pathfinder folks use both Paizo and DTRPG (which is what I'm going to do with my stuff). There's also D20 Pathfinder OGC, which maintains its own webstore as well. It has a smaller cut 20% in comparison to Paizo's 25%, compared to Drive-Thru's 30-35%). How much of the third party poo poo is... worth a poo poo, I guess? My 3.5 experience sort of soured me on third party stuff, I have not actually looked at the PF offerings. Except Way of the WIcked, I guess, which seemed neat.
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Evil Mastermind posted:At least all that stuff is digital only, and won't be clogging up game stores for decades to come like 3.X stuff. I think a lot of it has to do with people going "I have some good ideas, and I can make some money doing it." That's what I did with my own Abstract Thief product, although I don't plan on sticking solely to Pathfinder as a game designer. Pathfinder's a relatively easy way to break into the industry, both because it has an already lively fanbase and because it doesn't require you to build your own system from scratch. Unfortunately there's a lot of shovelware product which comes out weekly, of "13 New Sword-based feats!" worth $1.00 which some publishers keeping chugging out. This problem is compounded when you realize that this leaves no room for discussion, critique, and playtesting to stress test said products. I'm very aware of the flaws in the D20 ruleset, and I don't plan on going down the shovelware route. I care about game balance between the classes, and I'd at least like my work to bridge the gap and give the players some cool tools for their character concepts. A. a distinguished publisher B. come up with some really unorthodox concepts to set yourself apart from all the cookie-cutter cliches. Good examples include Way of the Wicked and Path of War C. fill your product with beautiful artwork and/or make a large setting book; there's only around 35 campaign settings out there, such a small figure in comparison to the 3000+ D. promise some "adult" content. Edit: Winson_Paine posted:How much of the third party poo poo is... worth a poo poo, I guess? My 3.5 experience sort of soured me on third party stuff, I have not actually looked at the PF offerings. Except Way of the WIcked, I guess, which seemed neat. I made a 3rd Party Pathfinder thread for good products on various sites for this very reason. Here's a few I'd recommend: Cerulean Seas, reviewed by Fossilized Rappy in FATAL & Friends. Underwater campaign setting which manages to integrate fantasy and real-world sea stuff into the setting in a way I like. It did get some criticism on the thread, but there's quite a few cool things in the book, setting and flavor text wise. I'd highly recommend it for underwater-centric games. Path of War and Ultimate Psionics, by Dreamscarred Press. Revamps of Tome of Battle and Psionics, with the Path of War containing original content. The company prides itself on game balance and giving nice things to martials, and are recognized as one of the top 3PP for this and other reasons. Midgard Campaign Setting by Kobold Press. A setting derived from central European mythology. Has a lot of standard fantasy tropes, but departs from them in many areas for less-explored venues. The book for its planar cosmology, Dark Roads & Golden Hells, is excellent for being full of cool people and places which aren't cookie-cutter "good place, fire place, bad place. etc." Tome of Horrors by Frog God Games. A giant bestiary of old-school monsters for a $30 value. I heard good things about these ones, although I don't own them: Colosseum Morpheuon: A high-level (16-20) adventure set in the realm of dreams. The best warriors from across the planes gather to fight in a tournament, and the PCs are expected to compete! Zeitgeist Adventure Path: The PCs are government agents for the Crown of an industrial nation, weeding out threats to Queen and country. Has a Victorian England vibe, guns, a secret conspiracy of Illuminati-esque plotters, and restrictions on long-term magical flight (with in-setting reasons) to prevent spellcasters from flying out of melee reach and flinging down fireballs. Libertad! fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Jun 11, 2014 |
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Jun 11, 2014 01:08
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100 Fighter Boner Feats, book it.
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Kai Tave posted:100 Feats/Feets Dad Jokes I only really had the one good feats joke in me, now it is gone.
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Apologies if I took some time, but I edited my previous post to include some good PF products.
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Winson_Paine posted:I only really had the one good feats joke in me, now it is gone. it beat feet
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Winson_Paine posted:I only really had the one good feats joke in me, now it is gone. So what you're saying is there's an untapped market.
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100 Bastinado Feats. Coming soon!
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sebmojo posted:I'm running a Nights Black Agents (spies/vampires using the Gumshoe game engine) in a week or so - are there any threads about it in TG? http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3453937 This is the investigative gaming and Gumshoe thread. It is not especially active, but it exists. Pelgrane Press also tends to put up a lot of stuff on their website - there's an online character generator along with some rules options and tweaks.
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Reene posted:It just needs to have a real, serious cost associated with it. Like maybe you can reflexively trigger it when someone attacks you and decide to spend 1 mana per dot of armor you want up to your dots in the arcanum for that one attack. I'm wondering if making it more like werewolf/vampire stuff would be better- downgrading lethal to bashing and agg to lethal. Of course this is an idle thought.
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What is Blood & Smoke: The Strix Chronicle and why is it the bestseller of 2013? Is it like an adventure 'path' except for NWoD?
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DalaranJ posted:What is Blood & Smoke: The Strix Chronicle and why is it the bestseller of 2013? It's a rules update for Vampire: the Requiem combined with an "adventure path"/campaign ideas. It's a thing that White Wolf's descendant is doing with all of their lines. The God-Machine Chronicle updated the corebook, the upcoming Idigam Chronicle will update Werewolf, and the Fallen World Chronicle will update Mage. They also released a quick update for Hunter this year too.
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It's essentially Vampire: The Requiem, 2nd Edition. And it's really, really good.
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Ratpick posted:Does anyone have any actual play experiences of Golden Sky Stories? It's the game I'd most like to run at the moment, but knowing my group I'm not sure if it'd be their thing. We mostly play games involving wizards killing dragons and macho spacemen killing aliens, and even though most of the people in said group are huge fans of Miyazaki (I mean, who isn't?) I'm not sure they'd be up for a game of magical animal slice-of-life anime. I will talk about GSS any day, any time. I have played GSS with a total of two groups, one PbP here (completed! to this day it still shocks me) and one with my regular group. The PbP went pretty dang well and was as heartwarming as intended. I suspect it was helped by the fact no one could look the other in the eye and note they were indeed playing a dumb puppy spirit. In person, I had a player who had a really hard time getting into the spirit (yuk yuk) of things. A large part of your success will be determined by two things. One, how utterly serious you are about being completely ridiculous and corny, and two, how well you can get your players to peer pressure each other into being even more ridiculous. It's like a good game of Fiasco, only instead of trying to gently caress or murder each other, you're being helpful and friendly. Are you the dude that runs fuckyeahdnd, by the by, or is this just coincidence?
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So DTRPG is doing a 10$ bundle for their anniversary: http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/130835?affiliate_id=270525 I'm probably going to get it since I don't own Eclipse Phase yet and the price is stupid low, but how many of the others are generally worth reading besides Wraith?
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Mors Rattus posted:It's essentially Vampire: The Requiem, 2nd Edition. And it's really, really good. I haven't played any storyteller since the old WoD. I'm just confused that I recognized 95% of that top ten list but couldn't recognize the core rule book for what I assume is still the most popular WoD franchise.
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Darksaber posted:So DTRPG is doing a 10$ bundle for their anniversary: http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product/130835?affiliate_id=270525 Well, eclipse phase is part of the latest bundle of holding so it might be a better deal. Also, it is available for free legally.
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Yeah, don't buy Eclipse Phase unless you're doing it specifically because you want to give money to the devs. If you just want to play it you can get it for free, no sweat.
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I've read it before but I enjoyed it enough to buy it. That bag of holding looks right up my alley though, thanks!
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Winson_Paine posted:People calling me Winston bugs me Why do you think we do it? 
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Error 404 posted:Why do you think we do it? I always assume it is because people cant read/are dumb
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