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Boo Chuck Dixon. I liked your comics!
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Sadly Dixon's been a terrible human being for a long time.
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Jun 11, 2014 18:54
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Rhyno posted:Sadly Dixon's been a terrible human being for a long time. I will ignore this and pretend he disappeared in the late 90's, and he will be remembered fondly through his work with Nightwing and Robin.
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Jun 11, 2014 19:10
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He was terrible back then, too, always sneaking Christian rock or author references into the art background (names of books superheroes were reading or music they were listening to).
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Jun 11, 2014 19:12
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Oracle posted:He was terrible back then, too, always sneaking Christian rock or author references into the art background (names of books superheroes were reading or music they were listening to). This is hilarious. Were Bruce, Dick, and Tim big Stryper fans?
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Jun 11, 2014 19:15
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Dude who writes the Punisher turns out to be a rightwing shitbag 
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Jun 11, 2014 19:15
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quote:This is hilarious. Were Bruce, Dick, and Tim big Stryper fans?
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Jun 11, 2014 19:17
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zoux posted:Dude who writes the Punisher turns out to be a rightwing shitbag If Ennis ever turns out to be a shitbag 
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Jun 11, 2014 19:17
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Oracle posted:I honestly couldn't tell you as I had no idea and would not have noticed if he hadn't mentioned it in an interview where someone else asked him about it. He was fairly smug about it 'well as superheroes I think they would be interested in the kind of positive message these people had to tell.' Again, the Punisher!! Castle all blowing away drug dealers while listening to the Newsboys on his iPod.
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Jun 11, 2014 19:19
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zoux posted:Dude who writes the Punisher turns out to be a rightwing shitbag Also thinks dark and gritty are bad things. He wrote the loving punisher. ComicAlliance actually has a good article going through it piece by piece. My favorite is one second they are decrying "political correctness" while also yearning for the days of the comicscode.
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Jun 11, 2014 19:22
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On a long enough time scale every creator ends up becoming the villain. Just read comics you like.
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Jun 11, 2014 19:22
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TheManWithNoName posted:On a long enough time scale every creator ends up becoming the villain. Just read comics you like. A lot of the oldest ones are actually still rad dudes, but the Sergio Aragones 'Stache Report (still awesome) just doesn't make many headlines.
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Jun 11, 2014 19:57
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I got to wonder if Frank Miller was always....Frank Miller. I know his mind kind of snapped after 9/11 and he became...."educated" about Islam but I wonder what he was like in the 80's and 90's when he was writing kickass comic books.
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Jun 11, 2014 20:24
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Madkal posted:I got to wonder if Frank Miller was always....Frank Miller. I know his mind kind of snapped after 9/11 and he became...."educated" about Islam but I wonder what he was like in the 80's and 90's when he was writing kickass comic books. I bet Frank Miller and Dennis Miller were both great friends and they'd get together every Saturday and shout "It's Miller time!" and say real cool things about nineties politics that I'd agree with.
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Jun 11, 2014 20:49
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This discussion, and that of Garth Ennis's The Pro in the funny panel threads, reminds me that Jim Steranko said all of this more than a decade ago (granted, in the immediate aftermath of 9/11).
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Jun 11, 2014 20:50
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TheManWithNoName posted:On a long enough time scale every creator ends up becoming the villain. Just read comics you like. Just like his art Mobius will forever stand above this.
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Jun 11, 2014 21:02
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Metal Loaf posted:This discussion, and that of Garth Ennis's The Pro in the funny panel threads, reminds me that Jim Steranko said all of this more than a decade ago (granted, in the immediate aftermath of 9/11). That's a pretty good article, especially right after  , but I think he overreacted to some hype in the advertising for The Pro. 
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Jun 11, 2014 21:06
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Jeff Smith says "Dave Sim? Who's Dave Sim?"
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Jun 11, 2014 21:06
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So it kind of occurred to me the other day that most Marvel heroes don't really give a poo poo/have secret identities. While all the major DC dudes are hiding who they are, I think Spiderman and Daredevil are the only major Marvel dudes that try to protect their identities. (And Matt Murdock barely counts since everyone knows he's DD irl). Now that I think about it most Marvel dudes don't even have day jobs.
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Jun 11, 2014 21:15
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zoux posted:So it kind of occurred to me the other day that most Marvel heroes don't really give a poo poo/have secret identities. While all the major DC dudes are hiding who they are, I think Spiderman and Daredevil are the only major Marvel dudes that try to protect their identities. (And Matt Murdock barely counts since everyone knows he's DD irl). Daredevil has recently announced that he is Daredevil and it got him disbarred. It is the reason he is in San Francisco.
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Jun 11, 2014 21:17
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zoux posted:So it kind of occurred to me the other day that most Marvel heroes don't really give a poo poo/have secret identities. While all the major DC dudes are hiding who they are, I think Spiderman and Daredevil are the only major Marvel dudes that try to protect their identities. (And Matt Murdock barely counts since everyone knows he's DD irl). Well Spider-Man did out himself. But then, well....you know.
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Jun 11, 2014 21:54
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zoux posted:So it kind of occurred to me the other day that most Marvel heroes don't really give a poo poo/have secret identities. While all the major DC dudes are hiding who they are, I think Spiderman and Daredevil are the only major Marvel dudes that try to protect their identities. (And Matt Murdock barely counts since everyone knows he's DD irl). I don't mean to get all anti-DC at a moment's notice, but the secret identity is just one of the many old cliches they've had since forever and won't give up. Most Marvel heroes(Cap, Iron Man, even the Fantastic Four and the X-Men) had secret identities for awhile, but dropped them as it became more obsolete. I'd say Spider-Man keeps his just because it's seen as an "important part of his character". Which it is, as long as he's eternally a teenager living with his aunt and working for someone who hates Spider-Man, and woo boy will Marvel be progressive as hell with their heroes but that's the one hill they wanna die on. bobkatt013 posted:Daredevil has recently announced that he is Daredevil and it got him disbarred. It is the reason he is in San Francisco. He only recently admitted it, but it came out on the run before last and the previous one had pretty much everyone acknowledge it while he awkwardly denied it.
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Jun 11, 2014 22:12
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WickedHate posted:He only recently admitted it, but it came out on the run before last and the previous one had pretty much everyone acknowledge it while he awkwardly denied it. I know it happened in the Bendis run. I am just pointing out that he is now not even hiding it.
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Jun 11, 2014 22:14
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WickedHate posted:I don't mean to get all anti-DC at a moment's notice, but the secret identity is just one of the many old cliches they've had since forever and won't give up. The secret identity allows for some interesting stories when is taken into account like Barry's job as forensic investigator, Hal's ties with the air force or (in case of adaptations) the whole trust arc with Ollie on Arrow. Another interesting angle is giving a civil identity/life to someone who has always been a superhero/supervillian.
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Jun 11, 2014 22:26
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To be honest, Superman and Batman are the only heroes I can really think of that really require a secret identity. Superman because the metaphor of the Superman/Clark dichotomy is too awesome to ever give up and can be interpreted in a lot of interesting ways. And Batman because he's too demystified otherwise.
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Jun 11, 2014 22:30
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:The secret identity allows for some interesting stories when is taken into account like Barry's job as forensic investigator
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Jun 11, 2014 22:34
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Barry is all kinds of awesome 
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Jun 11, 2014 22:38
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Really I don't see any problem with either approaches to superheroes. You can mine great stories out of secret identities and public personae. One isn't better than the other.
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Jun 11, 2014 22:48
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Madkal posted:Really I don't see any problem with either approaches to superheroes. You can mine great stories out of secret identities and public personae. One isn't better than the other. Yeah, as long they keep doing good stories who cares? Great piece about secret identities, by the way Amusingly, went live today 
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Jun 11, 2014 22:52
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Madkal posted:Really I don't see any problem with either approaches to superheroes. You can mine great stories out of secret identities and public personae. One isn't better than the other. Seriously, "oh no, I'm late/have failed to do something/must be somewhere else/whatever, how can I possibly explain this?" is... calling it a dry well does an injustice to dry wells. It's beyond tapped out. It is desolate. The ground has been salted and it's also radioactive; nothing will ever grow there again. If you love someone, you trust them, and if you trust that person, just tell them your goddamn secret identity! I never ever ever want to read that story ever again, and lovely writers keep on trying to make me.
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Jun 11, 2014 22:54
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WickedHate posted:I don't mean to get all anti-DC at a moment's notice, but the secret identity is just one of the many old cliches they've had since forever and won't give up. Most Marvel heroes(Cap, Iron Man, even the Fantastic Four and the X-Men) had secret identities for awhile, but dropped them as it became more obsolete. I'd say Spider-Man keeps his just because it's seen as an "important part of his character". Which it is, as long as he's eternally a teenager living with his aunt and working for someone who hates Spider-Man, and woo boy will Marvel be progressive as hell with their heroes but that's the one hill they wanna die on. I haven't read every issue of the Fantastic Four, but I have read the very first issue, and they didn't really have secret identities in that one. It was kinda funny when they tried to give Dr. Strange a secret identity. Almost every villain he deals with is from a different plane of existence, why would knowing he lives in Greenwich Village change anything?
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Jun 11, 2014 23:09
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Skwirl posted:I haven't read every issue of the Fantastic Four, but I have read the very first issue, and they didn't really have secret identities in that one. You're right; I reread where I heard that and I'd misread. I also forgot about Hulk and
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Jun 11, 2014 23:20
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CapnAndy posted:To an extent; there's absolutely nothing worthwhile about secret identities being kept from loved ones, and any good comic book made in at least the last 15 years knows it. I always treated the not telling the loved one your identity thing not to stem from a lack of trust, but rather a fear that that knowledge can be used against the hero and their partner.
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Jun 11, 2014 23:31
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Madkal posted:I always treated the not telling the loved one your identity thing not to stem from a lack of trust, but rather a fear that that knowledge can be used against the hero and their partner. But then when your nemesis finds out your ID he kills your girlfriend and she doesn't even know why.
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Jun 12, 2014 00:00
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Sue and Reed tried to move to the suburbs and wear disguises for a bit but then a neighbor got suspicious and sold them out to Mephisto.
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Jun 12, 2014 00:08
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IIRC the F4 almost wore masks in their first appearance and there is art showing them that way but they decided against it.
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Jun 12, 2014 00:53
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Yeah, there's this stretch in the Tom DeFalco/Paul Ryan run (which I actually like  ) where Ben is left with a facial scar by Wolverine's evil duplicate from Infinity War, so he looks out the full-face mask from the costume Sue designed him way back in FF #3 or whatever and starts wearing it to cover it up.I think it was around the same time Reed started wearing a safari jacket and Sue's costume was a swimsuit with a "4"-shaped boob window.
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Jun 12, 2014 01:03
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Metal Loaf posted:Yeah, there's this stretch in the Tom DeFalco/Paul Ryan run (which I actually like I don't know what's more dumb, the boob window outfit, or the retconned excuse (it was Malice taking her over) because only EEEEVIL women expose their cleavage!
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Jun 12, 2014 01:19
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TheManWithNoName posted:Sue and Reed tried to move to the suburbs and wear disguises for a bit but then a neighbor got suspicious and sold them out to Mephisto. Gaz-L posted:I don't know what's more dumb, the boob window outfit, or the retconned excuse (it was Malice taking her over) because only EEEEVIL women expose their cleavage!
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zoux posted:So it kind of occurred to me the other day that most Marvel heroes don't really give a poo poo/have secret identities. While all the major DC dudes are hiding who they are, I think Spiderman and Daredevil are the only major Marvel dudes that try to protect their identities. (And Matt Murdock barely counts since everyone knows he's DD irl). Daredevil is going to be the first hero with a Secret Identity in the movie universe now too I guess.
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