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Mr Chips posted:Link? Last time I read something approaching a rigorous analysis, total asset sales from the Howard govt were a smidge under 72 billion, and net govt debt had decreased by 56 billion from 1996-2007. I might have been wrong on the asset sales number (I've seen 90 bn before but can't remember where), but net debt reduction isn't the same as cumulative surplus - a perfectly balanced budget will still see an overall reduction in net debt from interest payments.
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Tirade posted:
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Jun 12, 2014 12:33
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Mithranderp posted:Yeah, in my first year of law (2010), I did a course called "Law and Society" which was the most wishy-washy subject I've ever done, and I've done a class with "Dramaturgy" in the title. Our tutor asked us all why we were studying law and 3/4 of the class answered that they want to work for the UN or Legal Aid. The rest of the class was like "I got a good OP and didn't want to do med" or "my parents wanted me to". I was like "...I'm interested in Intellectual Property law" and everyone gave me the weirdest looks. Shame you were in Fuckstown, Fuckedland. David Vaile at UNSW would have loved you in his class.
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I apologise to Tanya Plibersek, Labor’s foreign affairs spokeswoman. I had thought she was just another global warming liar. But the truth is now clear. No, she’s simply spectacularly ignorant of the most basic facts about climate science and politics. No liar with brains would tell a lie on Saturday knowing just two days later it would probably be exposed on almost every TV bulletin. But there was Plibersek on Saturday, mocking the Prime Minister and his plan to scrap Labor’s carbon tax. “As the rest of the world moves forward on climate change, Tony Abbott is Nigel No-friends on the world stage,” she jeered. Really? No friends? Only 48 hours later “No-friends” Abbott was in Canada hearing Prime Minister Stephen Harper praising him to the skies for encouraging other countries “to boost economic growth, to lower taxes when possible and to eliminate harmful ones, most notably the job-killing carbon tax”. See, Harper, another sceptic of warming alarmism, says what most other leaders barely dare mumble: “No country is going to undertake actions on climate change, no matter what they say, that are going to deliberately destroy jobs and growth.” (There is now one obvious exception: the incompetent US President, Barack Obama, if his belated promise to slash US power station emissions by a third by 2030, against the will of Congress, is to be believed.) All this is so obvious it is a mystery why Plibersek would assert Abbott really is friendless on global warming. In fact, Harper’s endorsement so spooked warmist Fairfax newspapers that they now fear “No-friends” Abbott has too many mates after all. On Tuesday The Age and Sydney Morning Herald speculated (wildly) that Abbott was actually “seeking a conservative alliance among ‘like-minded’ countries”, such as “Canada, Britain and Australia along with India and New Zealand” to “counter recent moves by the Obama administration to lift the pace of climate change abatement”. But like I said, Plibersek cannot be a liar. She must just have been pig-ignorant about Harper’s own warming views. Or maybe her real problem is that global warming is now such a faith its believers cannot compute any evidence contradicting it. How else to explain Opposition Leader Bill Shorten’s astonishing performance on Tuesday? Just hours after Harper praised Abbott, Shorten was still insisting the Prime Minister was friendless: “It must be embarrassing for the Prime Minister as he meets other world leaders,” he claimed. “(As) they rub shoulders together, the rest of them are talking what they’re doing about climate change and in their midst — Tony Abbott, climate change sceptic, taking Australia backwards.” In Shorten and Plibersek’s fantasy world, Harper had disowned Abbott, not praised him. In fact, in their fantasy world there is also no Sigma Gabriel, the German Vice-Chancellor who recently declared the country’s catastrophically expensive attempt to switch to green energy was “on the edge of failure”. NOR is there an Owen Paterson, the British Environment Minister and suspected sceptic who has slashed climate change spending this year by 41 per cent. There isn’t even a Kim Beazley, the former Labor leader who is now our ambassador in the US and who this week said the Obama administration was actually “intrigued” by Abbott’s diplomatic skills and saw him as “a bloke who has done pretty well in Asia in the last little while”. And as for Abbott’s much-hyped difference with Obama on global warming: “I wouldn’t expect it to be a clash.” But all this sums up warming alarmism, which today demands the denial of the bleeding obvious. I’d bet a motza Plibersek and Shorten can’t compute many other basic facts about global warming, such as the failure of the world’s atmosphere to warm by any statistically significant amount since about 1997. Even Britain’s Met Office now admits is a “pause in global surface temperature rise”, contrary to predictions. Has Shorten? Has Plibersek? I’d also bet they do not know or accept the world actually has above-average sea ice cover and bigger harvests of food crops. I doubt they can even believe Australia has in fact had more rain over the past 100 years and fewer cyclones over the past 50. In fact, everywhere there are now reasons for world leaders to doubt global warming is as urgent or dangerous as we were once warned. Everywhere there are leaders just like Abbott — paying lip service to the warmist faith while doing the minimum demanded as fears ease and voters resent instead the soaring power bills caused by useless global warming policies. No, in this real world Abbott is far from alone and it is smug Plibersek who seems a Nigella No-friends.
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^It's Bolt right? He's one of the few who still claim there's been no warming since 1997.
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Jun 12, 2014 12:41
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Nibbles141 posted:^It's Bolt right? He's one of the few who still claim there's been no warming since 1997. Correct, it also is told this was written before the UK and NZ a few hours later disavowed themselves of Nigel No-Friends so made it a bit more hilarious.
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Jun 12, 2014 12:43
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I thought it was going to be a climate denier going "she's lying because the climate isn't warming  " but then no it's literally some throwaway comment no one gave a poo poo about anyway because the petulant babies can't handle schoolyard level name calling.
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Jun 12, 2014 12:46
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Someone post that theory about how Bolt doesn't really believe the things he writes.
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Jun 12, 2014 12:57
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Just a reminder 68% of Canadians don't think Harper is trustworthy or accountable. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/more-see-trudeau-as-excellent-prime-minister-than-harper-poll-1.2510713 Ah, lying scumbag best-friends-4eva! How cute. http://harperwatch.wordpress.com/ Having a read through this. They seriously do sound like soul mates.
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Jun 12, 2014 13:02
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I don't know about believe, but I think he certainly knows he makes easily refutable points. Notice he never puts himself in a position where he has to debate or is open to been questioned.
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Tirade posted:gently caress, that comment really got under your skin, didn't it? I wasn't saying it to in any way excuse the horrible poo poo that the Libs are doing. It's simply that by reducing the things that drive them to do pursue these policies down to "because they're evil fucks!" makes you less able to really understand what drives them and makes you less able to convince them (or more importantly their supporters) to change their mind. Know thy enemy and all that. If you disagree, can you explain how it differs from Americans who believe that al qaeda hates them for their freedom? Okay there are a couple things going on here. Firstly you seem to be coming from the point of "how would you convince someone to your side of a policy debate" where as I coming from a "this is what I sincerely believe" point of view. If you want to talk in terms of convincing, firstly I believe that you can not convince someone like Scott Morrison or tony Abbott because they already know the arguments and facts and choose to ignore them because it benefits them personally to do so. I actually 100% believe that senior liberal(and labor) party members are willingly sacrificing asylum seekers(and Australia given the cost to both our budget, international reputation and moral fibre as a nation) on the altar of personal ambition. You mention understanding your enemy as being important. That is precisely the point. If you are attempting to convince the liberal party that their policies are unjust and immoral then you have already lost because they know and they don't care. If you are talking about convincing other people then there's a couple of things at play. I don't state the arguments I would use elsewhere when posting because it's redundant as most people here are well informed as to the facts and don't swallow whatever news limited feeds them. When engaging people elsewhere you basically have to use baby steps and repetition. I have after months managed to get my mum to accept the fact that the home insulation scheme didn't cause increased rates of fire. There is the concept of the big lie, and that is what the proponents of refugee torture use. It basically goes that people are more credulous towards big fabrications than small ones because they assume no one would attempt to get away with them. This is reinforced by the fact that those lies are reinforced by the media on a daily basis either through active editorialising or simply broadcasting statements of lies by politicians. The only real way to get someone out of the big lie is to chip around the edges at it with small digestible pieces of fact until the whole drat thing crumbles away under their own inspection. But don't for a minute think that the Liberals are misguided dogooders, they are actively and knowingly doing harm to great swathes of people for the selfish gain of themselves and their mates. They are the enemy and will be until they are dead in the ground(even longer given Reagan etc)
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Jun 12, 2014 13:08
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The clear rebuttal to that Bolt is that she said Nigel No-friends, he's allowed one in Harper.
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Jun 12, 2014 13:12
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Anyone bought any of these T-shirts? If so hows the quality/style/fit? TIA http://www.redbubble.com/explore/abbott+tony
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Jun 12, 2014 13:38
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I will cherish the day that each and every member of the current coalition cabinet die
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Jun 12, 2014 13:39
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I do not understand how a country of such bountiful wealth can produce such monsters and then have said monsters voted into government
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Jun 12, 2014 13:40
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Reminder that Australia, the country which ranks #2 on the UN Human Development Index, runs concentration camps for ethnica undesirables, including children, in the year 2014
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Jun 12, 2014 13:41
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Haters Objector posted:Reminder that Australia, the country which ranks #2 on the UN Human Development Index, runs concentration camps for ethnica undesirables, including children, in the year 2014 THE FUTURE IS NOW
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Jun 12, 2014 13:43
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The children must suffer so that we may watch Masterchef in peace
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Jun 12, 2014 13:44
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I suggest that all asylum seekers instead seek refuge in a civilised country like Lebanon or Pakistan
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Jun 12, 2014 13:48
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Yeah they put way less children in concentration camps.
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Jun 12, 2014 13:50
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Haters Objector posted:I do not understand how a country of such bountiful wealth can produce such monsters and then have said monsters voted into government To be fair tony Abbott is English and Dennis Jensen South African
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Jun 12, 2014 13:51
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We English are pro as gently caress at creating monsters and putting them in positions of power.
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Jun 12, 2014 13:52
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thatbastardken posted:Yeah they put way less children in concentration camps. Yeah I know they do, that's why I suggested those countries
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Jun 12, 2014 13:53
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ken are you an english??
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Haters Objector posted:I will cherish the day that each and every member of the current coalition cabinet die Haters Objector posted:I will cherish the day that each and every member of the current coalition cabinet die This but also the previous labor cabinet and also the liberal cabinets before that
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Jun 12, 2014 13:58
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Chris Pynes Knob posted:ken are you an english?? I was one when I was very small, but I carry that stain with me always.
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Jun 12, 2014 13:59
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Milky Moor posted:But forty jobs in a month is insane. That'd exhaust every possibility around me in Oakleigh in that first month. And then what? Just apply for all the executive positions that take out big ads in the main bit of the paper once all the local ones you're qualified for are gone. BrosephofArimathea posted:I'd argue that the RBA had more to do with it than the stimulus, the Chinese or Gina. People whinge about the whole 'government bailout' that they assume banks got (they didnt, essentially banks just paid a small premium to 'borrow' Australia's credit rating - which definitely helped), but they also bought heavily in the MBS/RMBS markets, massively expanded the exchange settlement facility (adding short term TDs rather than just overnight) and dropped the bar on collateral classes, which meant that we never came close to having the kind of liquidity issues that hit the US, Europe and the UK. Can you elaborate on this a bit more? It sounds like it could be the perfect thing for bludgeoning no nothing libtards with.
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Yes I would be comfortable with the least capable in society starving, outside of Australia this is normal. Unfortunately for you a lack of empathy and compassion is exactly what ensures not only my survival but prosperity.
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Jun 12, 2014 14:32
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQnGqdFO9EY
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copypasta from my facebook, gently caress off if you think i'm going to bother capitalising for an auspol crosspost i saw this speech and q&a, he gave it at the acoss national conference this morning. snorten's address was all about how the budget was CRUEL LABOR HATES CRUEL and quoted mlk's 'we are our brother's keeper' like a billion times, and then during the q&a a champ from a melbourne asylum seeker advocacy group basically asked 'so given you don't reject concentration camps, who exactly are our brothers?' and then blippers gave his lovely response and tried to condemn the government a bit, and the questioner owned him again with 'so basically you think an improvement is having a slightly less cruel policy than the cruelest policy possible' and blorten was sooooo pissed off and all of us were like YES MELBOURNE ADVOCATE GUY YOU RULE and then after pill snortin had left cassandra goldie (acoss ceo, who i didn't particularly like until the conference) got on the mic and was like ACTUALLY WE ARE OUR BROTHER'S AND OUR SISTER'S KEEPER CONFERENCES ARE FUN AND POLITICIANS ARE poo poo http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-06-12/labors-former-asylum-seeker-policy-dangerous-shorten/5519458
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Also I promised to type up my notes from the conference for my TAFE teachers, I can post em here too if anyone wants. Might take me about a week cos I have assignments and Greens poo poo to do and in between that I have to socialise and get wasted.
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BrosephofArimathea posted:Joe's fakeass 'IM SO ANGRY AND PASSIONATE' schtick he has been putting on lately is really embarassing. I suspect that after the caning he got around the budget, the Coalition have given him some new media coaches. Just really, really poo poo ones. Nah, that's been his MO forever, he's just laying it on extra thick at the moment because it's all he's got.
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He was really, really vehement about how proud he was of his Palestinian heritage when Brandis said his poo poo about the West Bank occupation not being illegal, while defending Brandis for saying that it wasn't illegal. He's a pretty remarkable fuckshit.
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Jun 12, 2014 15:33
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Gough Suppressant posted:But don't for a minute think that the Liberals are misguided dogooders, they are actively and knowingly doing harm to great swathes of people for the selfish gain of themselves and their mates. They are the enemy and will be until they are dead in the ground(even longer given Reagan etc) This is completely half-cocked fantasy. Tirade said nothing of the sort. I will not turn these arseholes into 2D villains for the safety of my own self-righteousness, when I know drat well they carry around a set of half-examined justifications like every other idiot on the planet, and neither should you. Never be so afraid of a person that you need to unperson them, that's where they went wrong. Don't do the same.
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Fruity Gordo posted:He was really, really vehement about how proud he was of his Palestinian heritage when Brandis said his poo poo about the West Bank occupation not being illegal, while defending Brandis for saying that it wasn't illegal. He's a pretty remarkable fuckshit. also asylum seekers will be sent to some lovely malaria ridden hellhole over his dead body rip joe hockey
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ewe2 posted:This is completely half-cocked fantasy. Tirade said nothing of the sort. I will not turn these arseholes into 2D villains for the safety of my own self-righteousness, when I know drat well they carry around a set of half-examined justifications like every other idiot on the planet, and neither should you. Never be so afraid of a person that you need to unperson them, that's where they went wrong. Don't do the same. joe hockstable posted:But I will say one thing to you, I'll say it deliberately to this parliament. I will never, ever support a people-swap where you can send a 13-year-old child unaccompanied to a country without supervision. Never. It will be over my dead body. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/04/manus-island-document-mentions-14-alleged-unaccompanied-minors posted:Fourteen asylum seekers on Manus Island claimed they were unaccompanied minors between November and January, according to a leaked document seen by Guardian Australia rip joe
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The only way you can reasonably make the claim that the liberals are not as villainish as cartoon characters at this point is if you make the claim that they possess a level of stupidity and incompetence that would never make it into a cartoon due to being far too unbelievable.
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*literally dumps dredge waste onto the great barrier reef*
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